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There have been complaints that the mafia OPs are too wordy and are beginning to resemble an EULA. With this in mind, I have (hopefully) cleaned it up a bit for future games. If you think there is anything which should be added to this, please let me know. The parenthesis signify alternatives in the case of relatively common setups which may or may not be in the game.
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*Cohost is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him/her or myself.
The coaches for this game are: coach1, coach2, etc.. Please consult them if you want advice on playing the game.
Game name
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +Links to day/night posts go here!
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done (in a separate thread, located *here*) (in this thread). Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled) (date).
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows (does not follow) the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will (will not) go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses (does not use) replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until time in the game. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues:
There are (no) clues.
PMs
PMs are (not) allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is time, but that is subject to change.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Looks a lot better ! Good work!
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Signups seems unedited. I'd change it to:
This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until all spots have been filled (player number here).
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On January 04 2011 07:15 Incognito wrote:Signups seems unedited. I'd change it to: Show nested quote +This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until all spots have been filled (player number here).
I took your version and modified it a little. Good enough?
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Oops me and my fail syntax. In which case I should point out that (date) at the end doesn't make sense.
This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled). The game is scheduled to begin on (date).
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Personally I would move the modkills section to the signups area.
It seems a bit more fitting there.
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/in
+ Show Spoiler +i'm joking. Also, On January 04 2011 01:45 Qatol wrote:
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Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
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lol
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On January 04 2011 09:08 LSB wrote:
Personally I would move the modkills section to the signups area.
It seems a bit more fitting there.
I thought about it, but there are games which don't follow the ban list, so I decided it should be in the part of the post everyone should read even if they have played before.
On January 04 2011 08:29 Incognito wrote:Oops me and my fail syntax. In which case I should point out that (date) at the end doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled). The game is scheduled to begin on (date).
How so? It is supposed to signify the date on which the game will start.
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This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled) (date).
As currently stated, the example reads:
This game is open to anyone with preference for experienced players. Signups will remain open until all 30 spots have been filled Jan 3.
Small differences, but it makes sense (to me)
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On January 04 2011 11:06 Incognito wrote:
This game is open to anyone (with preference for (new or experienced) players). Signups will remain open until (all (player number here) spots have been filled) (date).
As currently stated, the example reads:
This game is open to anyone with preference for experienced players. Signups will remain open until all 30 spots have been filled Jan 3.
Small differences, but it makes sense (to me)
It also isn't quite what I was intending to say there.
This game could be open to anyone with no preferences or it might have preferences given to certain players. Signups may remain open until a certain date or a certain number of spots have been filled.
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On January 14 2011 16:38 Incognito wrote:
Orgolove gets a final warning. This is completely unacceptable and deserves a ban, except for the fact that according to the OP, I'm supposed to give you a warning first. You're on a super short leash. One false move and you're gone. If you continue to argue or explain your actions in this thread, you will be modkilled and banned.
To all the other players, drop it immediately. Lets not make this any bigger than it already is.
Due to this situation, the model OP has been updated so the host does not feel obligated to give a warning.
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Bump. I have made various changes to this (and will probably make more when the Protactinium situation is resolved). In particular, notice the smurf rule as well as the places the mod is supposed to tailor to their game are now underlined.
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United States22154 Posts
Now that experimental mafia II is over I'd like to request that a rule against using resources outside the thread as bargaining chips be added. Basically a rule that says Cheating is: "Using anything other than your in-game resources as a bargaining chip in the game. "If Bob isn't red, you can lynch me" is okay, but "If Bob isn't red, I'll pay you $100" and "If Bob isn't red, I'll delete my TL account" are not." (thanks to Node for the wording ^_^)
Its just unsportsmanlike, I didn't think it had to be spelled out, but apparently it does.
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7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
Generally I think those items fall under this rule
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United States22154 Posts
On May 04 2011 13:20 chaoser wrote:
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
Generally I think those items fall under this rule
Not really, read experimental mafia II, blue1 says that if orange isn't mafia he will quit TL Mafia forever in an attempt to get orange lynched, its not a modkill, but it is using something outside the game as a bargaining chip.
EDIT: another example is kevconism saying "if I'm mafia I quit tl mafia forever" at lylo in XXXVII
I'm sure there are more, again, it *should* be common sense, but it can break the game.
EDIT2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=114622¤tpage=5#97
is also relevant
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It doesn't come up too often, but I do remember it happening a few times on TL. I remember malongo promised to quit TL Mafia if he was wrong.
It is in bad taste and I would be fine with a rule against it. Anyone else have thoughts?
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I think it should be discouraged if not outright prohibited. It injects an amount of arrogance into the game that really isn't needed. TL is not running a competition to find the "best" scum hunter or the "best" scum player.
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I updated this for the gambling thing and a warning to PM me or post in the ban list to sit out a game. Are the ways I phrased it okay with everyone?
On January 04 2011 01:45 Qatol wrote:9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. Modkills:This game follows (does not follow) the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will (will not) go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
Are there any other changes anyone wants to see while I'm looking at this?
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In the banlist thread, I proposed a slight amendment to the OP to counter any confusion about sitting out games.
Here's the OP from the latest game of normal mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 13:58 Node wrote:
* GMarshal is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself. TL Mafia XXIX + Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +Coaches: Ver and Qatol have agreed to be town-oriented coach for this game. However, Qatol should be your emergency-backup coach, as he is often busy! Coagulation and RebirthOfLeGenD have agreed to help coach the scum team for this game. All you scum players looking for tips can bug them both nonstep for help at your leisure. :D Note that coaches will not play the game for you, but feel free to bounce analysis and ideas off of them, and ask for help if you really don't know which direction to go. They're here for you! Use them!
Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Using anything other than your in-game resources as a bargaining chip in the game. "If Bob isn't red, you can lynch me" is okay, but "If Bob isn't red, I'll pay you $100" and "If Bob isn't red, I'll delete my TL account" are not. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.Smurfs / Shared Accounts / Coaching:Smurfing is when you sign up for a game using an account other than your standard one for the purpose of hiding your identity. If you are smurfing, I ask that you notify both of the hosts when you sign up for the game. Sharing an account is not allowed in this game. Sharing an account is defined as more than one person having access to an account and using it for the purpose of playing the game. We have a nice selection of coaches for this game! Make use of them! If it is found that you have been smurfing or account sharing without notifying the hosts, you will be modkilled and punished as per the banlist rules. In addition: Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Posting: Mod Font:This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.Question Font:This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.Activity:You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Spam:Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything Inappropriate posts:If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Play to win.You have been warned.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread located here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
Signups: You may only play in one game other than this one, regardless of size. Signups will remain open until all 30 spots have been filled. You are welcome to sign up as a backup if you are not currently able to play.
Game-specific rules: Modkills:This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. Clues: There are no clues. PMsPMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 8:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM EST / 12:00 PM KST/TL Time.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
And here's the OP with my proposed amendment (In the Game Specific Rules Section):
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 13:58 Node wrote:
* GMarshal is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself. TL Mafia XXIX + Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +Coaches: Ver and Qatol have agreed to be town-oriented coach for this game. However, Qatol should be your emergency-backup coach, as he is often busy! Coagulation and RebirthOfLeGenD have agreed to help coach the scum team for this game. All you scum players looking for tips can bug them both nonstep for help at your leisure. :D Note that coaches will not play the game for you, but feel free to bounce analysis and ideas off of them, and ask for help if you really don't know which direction to go. They're here for you! Use them!
Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Using anything other than your in-game resources as a bargaining chip in the game. "If Bob isn't red, you can lynch me" is okay, but "If Bob isn't red, I'll pay you $100" and "If Bob isn't red, I'll delete my TL account" are not. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.Smurfs / Shared Accounts / Coaching:Smurfing is when you sign up for a game using an account other than your standard one for the purpose of hiding your identity. If you are smurfing, I ask that you notify both of the hosts when you sign up for the game. Sharing an account is not allowed in this game. Sharing an account is defined as more than one person having access to an account and using it for the purpose of playing the game. We have a nice selection of coaches for this game! Make use of them! If it is found that you have been smurfing or account sharing without notifying the hosts, you will be modkilled and punished as per the banlist rules. In addition: Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Posting: Mod Font:This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.Question Font:This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.Activity:You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Spam:Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything Inappropriate posts:If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Play to win.You have been warned.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread located here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
Signups: You may only play in one game other than this one, regardless of size. Signups will remain open until all 30 spots have been filled. You are welcome to sign up as a backup if you are not currently able to play.
Game-specific rules: Modkills:This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. Sit-outs:If you wish to sit out this game to reduce your Banned Game Count, you must do one of two things during the sign-up period of this game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished): 1. (Preferable) Send Qatol a PM saying you are sitting out this game. 2. Post in the TL Mafia Ban List that you are sitting out this game. Clues: There are no clues. PMsPMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 8:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM EST / 12:00 PM KST/TL Time.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
This way, there can be no confusion about what you have to do when you sit out a game, and that you have to do one of those two things, not just post in the game thread. I'm proposing this, because I would have completely forgot about posting in the ban thread or PMing Qatol if I had ever been banned before it was brought to my attention again, and would most likely have just posted in the game thread. So, if I forgot about it, I'm certain others have as well, and this would bring it to their attention when they open up a game with the intention of sitting out. I'm also assuming that doing one of those two things is adequate and you don't need to add a requirement to post in the game thread as well.
Let me know what you think: if it's needed or not, and if so and what changes could be made to make it more succinct or clear if necessary.
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On May 10 2011 13:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:In the banlist thread, I proposed a slight amendment to the OP to counter any confusion about sitting out games. Here's the OP from the latest game of normal mafia: + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 13:58 Node wrote:
* GMarshal is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself. TL Mafia XXIX + Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +Coaches: Ver and Qatol have agreed to be town-oriented coach for this game. However, Qatol should be your emergency-backup coach, as he is often busy! Coagulation and RebirthOfLeGenD have agreed to help coach the scum team for this game. All you scum players looking for tips can bug them both nonstep for help at your leisure. :D Note that coaches will not play the game for you, but feel free to bounce analysis and ideas off of them, and ask for help if you really don't know which direction to go. They're here for you! Use them!
Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Using anything other than your in-game resources as a bargaining chip in the game. "If Bob isn't red, you can lynch me" is okay, but "If Bob isn't red, I'll pay you $100" and "If Bob isn't red, I'll delete my TL account" are not. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.Smurfs / Shared Accounts / Coaching:Smurfing is when you sign up for a game using an account other than your standard one for the purpose of hiding your identity. If you are smurfing, I ask that you notify both of the hosts when you sign up for the game. Sharing an account is not allowed in this game. Sharing an account is defined as more than one person having access to an account and using it for the purpose of playing the game. We have a nice selection of coaches for this game! Make use of them! If it is found that you have been smurfing or account sharing without notifying the hosts, you will be modkilled and punished as per the banlist rules. In addition: Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Posting: Mod Font:This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.Question Font:This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.Activity:You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Spam:Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything Inappropriate posts:If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Play to win.You have been warned.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread located here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
Signups: You may only play in one game other than this one, regardless of size. Signups will remain open until all 30 spots have been filled. You are welcome to sign up as a backup if you are not currently able to play.
Game-specific rules: Modkills:This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. Clues: There are no clues. PMsPMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 8:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM EST / 12:00 PM KST/TL Time.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance! And here's the OP with my proposed amendment (In the Game Specific Rules Section): + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 13:58 Node wrote:
* GMarshal is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself. TL Mafia XXIX + Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +Coaches: Ver and Qatol have agreed to be town-oriented coach for this game. However, Qatol should be your emergency-backup coach, as he is often busy! Coagulation and RebirthOfLeGenD have agreed to help coach the scum team for this game. All you scum players looking for tips can bug them both nonstep for help at your leisure. :D Note that coaches will not play the game for you, but feel free to bounce analysis and ideas off of them, and ask for help if you really don't know which direction to go. They're here for you! Use them!
Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Using anything other than your in-game resources as a bargaining chip in the game. "If Bob isn't red, you can lynch me" is okay, but "If Bob isn't red, I'll pay you $100" and "If Bob isn't red, I'll delete my TL account" are not. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.Smurfs / Shared Accounts / Coaching:Smurfing is when you sign up for a game using an account other than your standard one for the purpose of hiding your identity. If you are smurfing, I ask that you notify both of the hosts when you sign up for the game. Sharing an account is not allowed in this game. Sharing an account is defined as more than one person having access to an account and using it for the purpose of playing the game. We have a nice selection of coaches for this game! Make use of them! If it is found that you have been smurfing or account sharing without notifying the hosts, you will be modkilled and punished as per the banlist rules. In addition: Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Posting: Mod Font:This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.Question Font:This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.Activity:You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Spam:Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything Inappropriate posts:If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Play to win.You have been warned.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread located here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain.
Signups: You may only play in one game other than this one, regardless of size. Signups will remain open until all 30 spots have been filled. You are welcome to sign up as a backup if you are not currently able to play.
Game-specific rules: Modkills:This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. Sit-outs:If you wish to sit out this game to reduce your Banned Game Count, you must do one of two things during the sign-up period of this game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished): 1. (Preferable) Send Qatol a PM saying you are sitting out this game. 2. Post in the TL Mafia Ban List that you are sitting out this game. Clues: There are no clues. PMsPMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 8:00 PM PST / 11:00 PM EST / 12:00 PM KST/TL Time.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance! This way, there can be no confusion about what you have to do when you sit out a game, and that you have to do one of those two things, not just post in the game thread. I'm proposing this, because I would have completely forgot about posting in the ban thread or PMing Qatol if I had ever been banned before it was brought to my attention again, and would most likely have just posted in the game thread. So, if I forgot about it, I'm certain others have as well, and this would bring it to their attention when they open up a game with the intention of sitting out. I'm also assuming that doing one of those two things is adequate and you don't need to add a requirement to post in the game thread as well. Let me know what you think: if it's needed or not, and if so and what changes could be made to make it more succinct or clear if necessary.
I think the change Qatol proposed would work pretty well. The addition works pretty well under the Modkill section and is less bloat-y in general.
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Oh wow, ninja'd :p
Maybe one thing that could be added, to the effect that all final decisions and discussion about bans/modkills/unforeseen situations will be dealt with after the game has ended, and in the Ban-list thread. When some things happen, the games tend to derail a bit, and it always has to be brought back to people's attention that they shouldn't talk about it until after the game has ended. See the Protactinium situation and Zorkmid modkill, for recent examples.
Just things where discussing it when the game is on-going may have a negative effect on the game and/or reveal game-relevant information should be left to the Ban-list thread and when the game is over. This idea would have to be refined and put into better words first though.
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I have made various updates to this including Wiggles' suggestion and something for reporting. As usual, let me know if you think anything should be reworded.
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spam spam spam
My "latest reply" slot okay?
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On June 14 2011 08:05 flamewheel wrote:
spam spam spam
My "latest reply" slot okay?
No! It's mine!
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I know! People always make that mistake!
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I'm going to get somebody to change your name.
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That would make me so sad. I would make a new account.
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Oh it's change my name or leave the site???!!!! 
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No it's let me have the latest message or get your name changed!
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Nah I don't think you have the patience to play this game with me forever.
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Look at your average PPW. Now look at mine. Now back at yours. Sadly, yours isn't mine...
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On June 14 2011 09:48 flamewheel wrote:
Look at your average PPW. Now look at mine. Now back at yours. Sadly, yours isn't mine...
It doesn't matter! I will still win! You're playing a childish game against someone who has siblings. How many do you have? Oh that's right.... NONE!
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Foolishness
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You two are just so cute...I really hope the both of you make it far
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No! The stickies are mine! Bad Foolishness!
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Just wait till tomorrow morning.
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I will! 
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We will have to agree to disagree.
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Haha someone ran out of things to say! I declare victory!
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Psh weak.
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Could simply spell it the Incognito way as well.
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Psh now you're dragging conversations from other threads into this one.
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Well it wasn't me, so you're the only remaining culprit. Unless we can somehow blame Incognito.
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No, not "no u", "no, you".
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Thankfully, this is Americathe Internet.
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Psh now you're dragging conversations from other threads into this one.
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Not at all! My comment made perfect sense!
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I love watching you two post spam without anyone noticing lol
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On June 14 2011 14:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I love watching you two post spam without anyone noticing lol
I noticed, I just didn't want to get caught in the crossfire.
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On June 14 2011 14:35 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 14:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I love watching you two post spam without anyone noticing lol I noticed, I just didn't want to get caught in the crossfire.
same here. I don't want an u in my name
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An u in my name would be an improvement, I think.
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I'm not going to have a replacement list in future games. Modkill-flips are unfortunate, but they are fair. Replacements add another element of variability. Perhaps it would still be fine to say "no replacements after Day X" instead.
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I thought spamming was for people like the BillMurray. Not the Flamewheel and the Kwatle.
*Good solution, huh? Kwatle has no u in it!
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Not even two stickes for you, incog. These two are mine.
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Sorry, but how are replacements not fair? Crippling either team is worse in my opinion...
I think modkills should be avoided at all costs and I actually think you guys should increase the minimun number of posts per cycle. Fun should be a priority.
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On June 23 2011 18:37 sandroba wrote:
Sorry, but how are replacements not fair? Crippling either team is worse in my opinion...
I think modkills should be avoided at all costs and I actually think you guys should increase the minimun number of posts per cycle. Fun should be a priority.
Replacements are a huge pain to deal with, because they bring a huge behavior shift, for example if BC replaces for a noob who *was* acting extremely scummy you don't really have anything to analyze him on, other than behavior he cannot justify, as he isn't the player he replaced for. It basically creates a lot of wifom.
From the mafia viewpoint, it sucks to leave a lurking newbie alive only to have a vet replace in for them.
There's also the issue that many replacements when they do replace its 70 pages into the game, which they just don't want to read, and as a result they only hinder their faction. While I understand the frustration at having to read 50+ pages of arguing, it means town ends up wasting resources on players who are essentially posting nonsense, since they have no idea what is going on.
I don't really like replacements that much either. The seem to have worked out fine for the SNMM games though, and the alternative is to just modkill people which is also a less than optimal solution. I think that replacing people is simply the lesser of two evils in some situations.
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Modkills suck. Replacements suck. But but all we can do is try to keep things running as close to smoothly as possible. As far as mitigating the damage of having a player leave a game in progress goes, there isn't really a "fair" solution. I'm thinking that the best solution is to just leave it up to host preference. Unless someone disagrees strongly, when I finally get around to updating this thread (maybe this weekend? I haven't forgotten about the PTP change request either, I promise!) I'll put in something so the hosts can pick whether they want to use replacements or just modkill. I trust the judgment of the hosts, especially with the requirement that people cohost before they host a game. If the host is unsure, they can PM someone more experienced and ask for advice, like usual.
My personal opinion is that players should not be replaced after day 1. However, I totally understand and respect the arguments for replacing later in the game.
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Okay I added something in about the PTP ragequitting the game problem, being a jerk to other players, and a replacements section. Let me know if you think any of this should be reworded.
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Bit late, but thank you for the effort. Makes my job much easier >.<
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On August 16 2011 23:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Bit late, but thank you for the effort. Makes my job much easier >.<
You're very welcome. Let me know if there's something you would like added or something you think would make creating an OP easier.
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I might have a request/suggestion for the OP. I know it is already against the rules to post/quote pm's from hosts, but the last 3-4 games I've played in have all involved some type of attempt to confirm townies based upon the wording or format of role pms. I know it won't be possible in all games, but maybe a quote of the generic town alignment/role pm could be included?
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On August 23 2011 23:27 kitaman27 wrote:
I might have a request/suggestion for the OP. I know it is already against the rules to post/quote pm's from hosts, but the last 3-4 games I've played in have all involved some type of attempt to confirm townies based upon the wording or format of role pms. I know it won't be possible in all games, but maybe a quote of the generic town alignment/role pm could be included?
This depends on host. I copypaste the role from Role OP for an example, so the "confirming" thing is quite null.
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On August 23 2011 23:27 kitaman27 wrote:
I might have a request/suggestion for the OP. I know it is already against the rules to post/quote pm's from hosts, but the last 3-4 games I've played in have all involved some type of attempt to confirm townies based upon the wording or format of role pms. I know it won't be possible in all games, but maybe a quote of the generic town alignment/role pm could be included?
I solve that issue by making it explicitly clear that the mafia can request *any* kind of role PM from me at any point in the game, and I will make it a 100% safe claim. Seems to work. ^_^
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On August 23 2011 23:27 kitaman27 wrote:
I might have a request/suggestion for the OP. I know it is already against the rules to post/quote pm's from hosts, but the last 3-4 games I've played in have all involved some type of attempt to confirm townies based upon the wording or format of role pms. I know it won't be possible in all games, but maybe a quote of the generic town alignment/role pm could be included?
Okay so it took me a month to get to this, but better late than never! RoL and I talked about putting a default set of the "standard" role PMs into this OP, but I never got around to writing them/ stealing them from various games. If someone wants to give me a list of these, I will happily put them into the OP.
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hmm, part of the problem Qatol is that some roles have little variablities. Does a vig get their hit refunded or not if they overlap, how many bombs can a hatter remove each night, etc.
However, most roles are pretty straight forward, and the roles which have variability could have the different permutations in the OP.
I'll put some time into this over the next few days.
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On September 23 2011 22:37 Radfield wrote:
hmm, part of the problem Qatol is that some roles have little variablities. Does a vig get their hit refunded or not if they overlap, how many bombs can a hatter remove each night, etc.
However, most roles are pretty straight forward, and the roles which have variability could have the different permutations in the OP.
I'll put some time into this over the next few days.
Yes but this actually makes a stronger argument for including them here so people know what the baseline we expect is and then what some of the more common possible role modifications are.
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The OP already feels like a manual more than an OP, do we need to add more to it? Especially when most games already include rolelists.
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On September 24 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:
The OP already feels like a manual more than an OP, do we need to add more to it? Especially when most games already include rolelists.
Really, Game OPs should just link to this one, and include relevant changes.
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On September 24 2011 10:23 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:
The OP already feels like a manual more than an OP, do we need to add more to it? Especially when most games already include rolelists. Really, Game OPs should just link to this one, and include relevant changes.
That runs the risk of newer players not looking at this thread. I would like to think that everyone reads the OP at least once the way it is now. I don't want to make it even harder for them to do that.
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Presumably the role segment wouldn't actually be copied and pasted into the OP of the mafia game. Players would just cherry pick the roles they want and include them in their particular game.
Players already include a section with roles that will be included in the game, this just standardizes those role PMs.
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I've stolen these roles from a variety of sources. Is this kind of what you're looking for Qatol? I'll add more as I get the chance. I'd like to do all the roles from this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11258991
Standard Roles:
Townie
You are a Townie! You have no special role, only your voice and your vote. Make them count!
Detective
You are a Detective! You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may perform a check on a player to find out their role and alignment.
Optional:+ Show Spoiler [Sanities] +You may be Sane, Insane, Paranoid or Naive:
Sane Cop: Always gets correct results (i.e. "guilty" for anti-Town roles and "innocent" for pro-Town roles)
Insane Cop: Always gets incorrect results (i.e. "guilty" for pro-Town roles and "innocent" for anti-Town roles)
Paranoid Cop: Always gets "guilty" results
Naive Cop: Always gets "innocent" results
Medic
You are a Medic! Every night you may select a player to protect from a night hit. You may not protect yourself. If you save a player from a hit, you will both be notified of your success. Each medic protection is the equivalent of one hit – if a player takes two hits while being protected by one medic, they will die. If you protect a veteran, your ability takes precedence over theirs.
Optional:+ Show Spoiler [Sanities] +You may be Sane, Insane, Paranoid, Naive or Weak
Insane Doctor: This doctor has 50% chance of killing his patient instead of protecting him.
Paranoid Doctor: This doctor not only protects his patient but he also roleblocks him.
Naïve Doctor: This doctor's protection is ineffective.
Weak Doctor: This doctor dies if he protects an anti-town player.
Veteran
You are a Veteran! Your military experience gives you a second life. It takes two successful hits to take you down. You will be informed if you lose one of your lives. If you get lynched you will die, regardless of whether you have an extra night life remaining.
Vigilante
You are a Vigilante! You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. If your kill overlaps with a mafia hit, your ability will not be used (unless the player has some form of protection). If your kill overlaps with another vigilante, the first hit sent in will take precedence. Medic protection may block your hit, and, if it does, you will have used your killing ability. A vigilante can kill someone during a night where she/he gets killed. You may not use your ability on night 1.
Optional:+ Show Spoiler [ No Refunds!] +Vigilante
You are a Vigilante! You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. If your kill overlaps with a mafia hit or another vigilante, it will not be refunded. Medic protection may block your hit, and, if it does, you will have used your killing ability. A vigilante can kill someone during a night where she/he gets killed. You may not use your ability on night 1.
Mad Hatter
You are a Mad Hatter! You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed your bombs will detonate, killing the players (if they aren't otherwise protected). You may place up to two bombs maximum, and may switch up to one bomb per night from target to target. You may remove as many bombs per night as you like. Bombs are lost if the target is lynched. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night.
Watcher
You are a Watcher! Each night you may select a player to watch. You will be informed of all players who visited the target that night.
Tracker
You are a Tracker! Each night you may select a player to follow. You will be informed of any player that they visit that night.
Mafia Goon
You are scum! Your goal in this game is to deceive and destroy the town. You win when you outnumber or equal the town-aligned players.
Godfather
You are the Godfather! The Godfather has the ability to decide what role he will appear to be when a Detective role checks him. It may be any role and must be chosen Day 1 or he will default to Townie role. After your role is chosen you may not change it; decisions are final for the whole game.
Optional;+ Show Spoiler [Elected] +The Godfather has the ability to decide what role he will appear to be when a Detective role checks him. It may be any role and must be chosen Day 1 or he will default to Townie role. After your role is chosen you may not change it after that; decisions are final for the whole game. The mafia members must pick a Godfather by the end of Night 1, or one member will be randomly selected as the Godfather
Roleblocker
You are a Mafia Roleblocker! Every night you may choose a target to be role blocked. If the person that is chosen to be role blocked has a night action, he or she may not use it for the night. You may not role block the same person twice in a row.
Framer
You are a Mafia Framer! Each night you may choose a target to frame. That player will show up to all alignment checks as Mafia.
Optional:+ Show Spoiler [Lawyer-type] +You are a Mafia Framer! Each night you may choose a target and that player will show up as the opposite alignment to all detective checks. A mafia player will show up as Town, and a town player will show up as Mafia
Miller
This player is a townie in every way except that if a detective role checks this player, the detective will be told the Miller is a Mafia. The Miller is told that they are a Townie in their pre-game PM. The Miller will be revealed as a Miller upon his/her death. The miller is on the side of the Townies, and wins if they win.
Nosy Neighbor
This player is a townie in every way except that each night they visit a random player. They will not be told they are a Nosy Neighbor, nor will they be informed who they visited. The Nosy Neighbor will be revealed as a Nosy Neighbor upon his/her death. The Nosy Neighbor is on the side of the Townies, and wins if they win.
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Yes, this is what I was thinking of. Give me a chance to look it over and I'll include it in the new OP thread here.
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