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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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note role pms are not yet sent and i am VERY busy recently so if i don't post a ton then don't get all weirded out | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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i don't see a day post so im assuming nobody got their roles | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On December 27 2010 12:05 seRapH wrote: I saw your /in post but you're not on the player list  oh that sucks ##Vote: Flamewheel | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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are pms allowed? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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We need to very carefully consider the framer role. It is often advised to detectives, by mafia, that a big town target should be checked to get "information". DT's should check the targets they think are most likely scum based on post behavior and that's pretty much all there is to it until later in the game when a lot of information actually can be gleaned from an alignment check. Framer Strategy: mafia railroads/advises DT to check a big town target with a lot of attention (for an example of this level of attention look at me in insane mafia) and then simply frame them. Pandain was effectively framed on day 1 of haunted and a DT checked him, because Pandain was an active poster but there was nothing scummy about any of his posts. It was a bad check. So beware of attempts to railroad you into checking certain targets especially if it happens in PM. I imagine myself, Pandain, LSB, and RoL will all be strong frame targets that is if they aren't going to be hit since they are likely to be checked. I'm not saying don't check veteran players, I'm saying check people you think are scum. Also DT's shouldn't claim if they find a red and definitely not in PM either. Build a case on that person. Read through their posts and seriously consider them. Read them as though they are mafia, what are they doing to hurt/mislead the town and does it make sense? They might be a miller (there are probably 2, that is the normal count) and they might also have been framed. When you checked someone and now they are mafia or are nearly certain you build a good case to get them lynched, you don't claim straight away because it's still possible the mafia won't hit you and if they do it become immediately apparent why you pushed so strong for a specific lynch which means the mafia have to do a lot of damage control especially if they tried to spread distrust/attack that DT. On December 27 2010 18:25 Ryuu314 wrote: Oops x[ I remembered after I edited hahaha. I \was basically gonna say that Coag probably couldn't be mafia as the timing of his ban would probably prevent him from making hits? But then I looked up the time of his ban and it disproves my theory. The timing of his ban should have nothing to do with what role he may or may not be. Or rather what role I may or may not be. I'm gonna say this about vig's: don't shoot until night 3 or night 4. As the game progresses it gets easier and easier to find mafia and that's when efficient town KP use becomes super important. Don't blow your hit early, you'll more than likely miss. Your goal is to not get killed. As far as this Pandain bandwagon Idon't see why that is. This isn't a mafia thing it's just stupid but he did roleclaim village idiot to me in PM before the game started, not sure what that means. Probably nothing because he's just bad. If he's scum I'll catch him pretty quickly so I'm not worried about him at all. LunarDestiny's posts so far come off as the most scummy but that's just barely, no good target has presented itself yet to me for the lynch so I'll vote for myself. My work schedule is unpredictable and I don't want to get modkilled for it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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On December 27 2010 17:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Coag just got temp banned for two weeks, doch is in... there must be a conspiracy :/ do you really think that because that's really stupid On December 27 2010 18:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So what's the infamy surrounding DoctorHelvetica? Would anyone care to enlighten me? Nothing I just always end up the center of attention in games whether I'm mafia or not and it always ends up hurting the town. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On December 27 2010 19:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No need to be so touchy, gosh it was just a joke. Several other people were making similar jokes so I don't really see why there is a problem and there's really no reason to flame out about it. Mr. Wiggles go and read through any game Drh has played... you'll see a) why drh is well known and b) why it's ironic he replaced coag. drh you are right, the attention lavished on you (as I'm doing right now) always hurts the town so I have a proposal for you, let's try and go one mafia day without you being the topic of discusion... k? Your post is: A) Really defensive when I never flamed you. I'm really just worried that joke might be serious, this wouldn't be the first time ridiculous metagame arguments would used against me and whether you were joking or not may not be relevant. I'm pointing out that the IDEA is stupid, not you, so it isn't a flame. B) You aren't lavishing attention on me and you're basically creating an excuse to discourage my posting at all. You're proposing my idea to me and being cute about it in a way that is really irritating. Yeah ok I accept your proposal that has been the thing I've been shouting at people in every mafia game where this happens. I don't really understand what you're trying to imply about me with the last "question" but I'm annoyed by it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On December 27 2010 19:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: EDIT FOR MY LAST POST!!! IT CAME OFF WAY MORE FLAMY THAN I INTENDED. ok i guess you weren't trying to get on my nerves then | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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The problem is when we focus too much on inactives we start calling people scum just because they didn't post enough when the far more disturbing trend is posting a lot/posting big posts and saying absolutely nothing helpful: aidnai in exmima radfield in salem kavdragon in pokemafia etc. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On December 28 2010 04:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As an addendum to the first part of this post. I don't think DrH hit it just right. Don't waste your time checking "big name" players. Since a GF is chosen you will get back a blue/green role on them pretty much no matter what. The way I play a detective role can be seen slightly in HP mafia. There were people I thought very likely to be scum, but there were two players I couldn't decide on, but was leaning towards mafia or jackass. OpZ and Orgolove. Night 1 I decided to Orgolove, but either check would of been adequate for my criteria. Usually a host RNG's the player list and makes mild adjustments for balance. The odds of a more recognized/good player getting into the mafia is increased and therefore they are likely to be the godfather. The only game where I would say the "veteran" player IMO wasn't GF was in Salem. They chose SouthRawrea over Radfield, but that could of been because of PM's and knowing where the check was going, or because radfield knew he was going to be inactive. So when you are a DT check someone who is playing aggressively/scummy and someone who you can't quite decide on their alignment. With a framer the odds are increased that you will get a bad check on a "veteran" player because they will either be godfather or framed. On that note though, the only real check we can use is a medic. If a medic protects someone and the day post is mafia KP-1 they can be almost 100% sure they protected someone good, especially if they are a "veteran" player. Anyway, I don't like making it seem like the DT role is so important which this seems like, I in fact view DT as a handicap that clouds a persons judgment. I would rather trust my behavioral analysis over DT checks any day of the week. I urge the utmost caution in using DT checks in this game, because I don't feel like having SouthRawrea 2.0 after I die and everyone becomes too stupid to realize who the leak was. Anyway, I got work in a little bit I will probably be back around 10ish. I agree the DT is isn't all important but it's a damn strong power and it should be used right don't you think? They're still a high priority for mafia hits and thats why I don't want them claiming. I agree this game should be about analysing behavior before anything else. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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LSB thinks he is being helpful but is really just full of bad ideas, it's very different from someone trying to appear pro-town while just blowing smoke | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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No one is really accusing you of anything but you're defending yourself, to me, like a player that is seriously up on the chopping block. I don't like that so I'm putting my vote on you for now and when I come back from work I'll see if a better target presents itself. I notice you are stressing how pro-town your contributions have been when you really haven't contributed all that much. I like your persistence on LSB. I have a neutral read on you right now but I need to put my vote somewhere. Don't take it too personally. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On December 28 2010 06:02 Jackal58 wrote: I had no opinions one way or another til now. I couldn't tell if TheMango was being flip with his first 2 posts or if he is a bigger noob at this than I am. But I am curious now as to what you want to PM him about and how that action is going to make any difference to anybody. it makes a difference because it creates the illusion that lsb is having a positive impact on this game | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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It's never "the safest bet" to lynch an inactive on day 1. Because there are too many to choose from it makes it way too easy for mafia to control where the hammer falls, it's basically saying "ok mafia you can pick which inactive townie dies today, because we're too scared to go after active mafia" | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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he would be a good dt check as well as seraph and insanious ill reanalyse things when i get home. also why can noone spell "pandain" | ||
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