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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 30 2010 03:45 Jackal58 wrote: How many of you receive PMs from Pandain questioning your reasons for voting? Me. But I think that might've been out of curiosity/panic than anything. The bandwagon on him was rather fast and (almost) unjustified. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
in every game he sends me pms called "mmmmm" asking me "what do you think of x" or "why did you vote for y" he will inevitably make a fake claim as well whether he is town aligned or not | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 30 2010 04:16 seRapH wrote: Pandain really likes his PMs. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just be wary of role-fishing. he'll do that if he's town too i am personally of the opinion that role-fishing is just as often a town move as it is a mafia move | ||
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seRapH
United States9812 Posts
On December 30 2010 04:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he'll do that if he's town too i am personally of the opinion that role-fishing is just as often a town move as it is a mafia move Well what I meant was that people should be careful not to give out their roles  | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Two things that strike me, after just skimming the thread. The first is that we shouldn't settle on a Day 2 lynch too quickly, remember, we don't know anything yet. We just think we do. And that's somewhat dangerous. The second thing is that a quick search of my name turned up only a few references in this thread. I'm not publicity hungry, but that's a problem because (1) I've been completely non-existant for a host of hours. and (2) I haven't contributed anything solid, besides an attempt to get Pandain to speak that failed because Pandain is smart and I didn't have the time to devote to it. If the town simply failed to notice a guy with a custom icon not showing up in the thread, then we're letting other people off the hook too. And while I intend to participate because apparently a bunch of people thought LSB was mafia for reasons that completely elude me, others will continue to lurk, and continue to slip under the radar. More on this later, call me out and pm me as well, more evidence is good. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
The way I will organize this to avoid overlapping as much as possible is follows. If you are on the player list between 1-10 please place your bomb on Seraph, if you are 11-20 please place your bomb on Insanious, and if you are on the player list for 21-30 please place your bomb on Annul. This is very important in case one of you gets hit tonight. I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. Annul's case upon reflection picked up steam faster than it should of even with LSB's odd defense and aggression. It could of just been a mafia pushing forward a bandwagon to get rid of a decent player in LSB, but we agreed it felt a little off even so. So once again. When madhatters read this place your bombs accordingly. If you are in the player list between any of the following numbers place your bomb to the corresponding players. 1-10 place on Seraph 11-20 place on Insanious 21-30 place on Annul | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 30 2010 06:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright I have a new idea for the hatters. I have decided on a third person upon talking with someone and I believe he is right. The three people we should put bombs on tonight should be Seraph, Insanious, and Annul. The way I will organize this to avoid overlapping as much as possible is follows. If you are on the player list between 1-10 please place your bomb on Seraph, if you are 11-20 please place your bomb on Insanious, and if you are on the player list for 21-30 please place your bomb on Annul. This is very important in case one of you gets hit tonight. I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. Annul's case upon reflection picked up steam faster than it should of even with LSB's odd defense and aggression. It could of just been a mafia pushing forward a bandwagon to get rid of a decent player in LSB, but we agreed it felt a little off even so. So once again. When madhatters read this place your bombs accordingly. If you are in the player list between any of the following numbers place your bomb to the corresponding players. 1-10 place on Seraph 11-20 place on Insanious 21-30 place on Annul To make sure this gets read. + Show Spoiler + Edit was fixing tags, wasn't going to triple post -_- | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On December 30 2010 06:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright I have a new idea for the hatters. I have decided on a third person upon talking with someone and I believe he is right. The three people we should put bombs on tonight should be Seraph, Insanious, and Annul. The way I will organize this to avoid overlapping as much as possible is follows. If you are on the player list between 1-10 please place your bomb on Seraph, if you are 11-20 please place your bomb on Insanious, and if you are on the player list for 21-30 please place your bomb on Annul. This is very important in case one of you gets hit tonight. I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. Annul's case upon reflection picked up steam faster than it should of even with LSB's odd defense and aggression. It could of just been a mafia pushing forward a bandwagon to get rid of a decent player in LSB, but we agreed it felt a little off even so. So once again. When madhatters read this place your bombs accordingly. If you are in the player list between any of the following numbers place your bomb to the corresponding players. 1-10 place on Seraph 11-20 place on Insanious 21-30 place on Annul Hatters should use their own judgment on who to place bombs on. Bomb placements should not be predictable. You cannot say I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. And then barely justify the suspicions of only one of these three players. Explain your FoS on each of these players, and let the hatters decide for themselves. We're not letting people get away with FoS if they're not willing or able to explain why. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Seraph play is characterized by indecision and feigned activity. On top of that all he ever really talked about was pointless shit and kept trying to push stupid shit like lynching inactives. I have an analysis on him on Page 25 if you would like to read it. Insanious during the hours before the lynch of LSB tried bandwagoning the shit out of brockit claiming he "knew" LSB was blue and how stupid we were being. The analysis on him although much shorter is a few pages back on 32 iirc. No one should EVER be so sure that someone is blue. On top of just being sure he NEVER gave a good reason to want to switch which leads me to believe his intention was never to actually switch the vote, but to make it APPEAR that he wanted to switch the vote away from someone who was blue. On top of that, even though he seriously didn't want to lynch LSB he ignored my Seraph analysis which if he used that might of switched the lynch away from LSB. I believe the reason he didn't use the Seraph analysis was because Seraph is his mafia buddy AND he had no true intention to divert the lynch. You can see similar play being used by me and Insane Mafia in regards to dealing with pandain. I actively pushed for pandains lynch but never hard enough to actually change anything. He just did it a lot more shitty. When it comes to Annul, I was really trying to find another candidate who I could put up as a MH bomb because when I divide the player list by 3 instead of 2 it GREATLY reduces the chance of overlapping bombs. On top of that the way Annul got support is a little fishy, I need to do more analysis on it but it is still extremely strange. The bandwagon IMO should never have been so lopsided in favor of LSB even though I think LSB was suspicious, it is really hard to gather a following on a day 1 lynch UNLESS you are mafia. With that justification and an indepth analysis of Annul being very time consuming at the moment I would prefer to put a bomb on him while doing a further analysis later. I hope that meets your approval for my justification. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
To further elaborate on Annul, the aggressive play Day 1 isn't entirely common, but I believe annul may be trying to establish a meta with it, I have talked with him on AIM and the more I think about it the more it makes sense. On top of that any check on Annul is extremely unreliable because of the framer role. If Annul REALLY isn't red he would most likely get framed tonight. If is red he can claim that he was most likely framed and can use WIFOM arguments to try to save himself which he most likely has the skill to pull off, especially with mafia support. The thing about Annul's LSB analysis is it can be applied to MOST players on Day 1, but that is not what made me suspicious of LSB. It was LSB's aggressive response that made me think he was most likely red, and on top of that claiming blue AND that he could prove his role by Night 2 was impossible based on the roles, and seemed like LSB was trying to weasel himself into living another day. Now that I know LSB's plan it seemed like a dumb plan the town would of never followed through with. He figured he would get hit tonight, and if he didn't he would have the Vigi hit him night 2 to confirm his alignment. The problem with that is the mafia can easily fake him actually being "hit" tonight by simply double stacking one person and hitting another person. So LSB's plan was stupid, his defense was weak, and he got bandwagoned hard and his lynch seemed fine to be, but not as fine as most people made it out to be. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
People who are probably pro town: + Show Spoiler + Decondou-gave analysis of people, contributing. Insanious: I honestly don't know why I voted LSB, but Insanious advocated what I should've done. Besides making long posts with plenty of reasons, he is most likely town. Furthormore he almost saved LSB. Now RoL says this is because he believes that as mafia insanious knew that LSB was town, but why then would he try to and almost save him from a lynch? As mafia they would've just wanted to sit back and let a blue get lynched while appearing afk. Jackal-hunch based on both pms and his general attitude. People who are likely scum in my eyes: + Show Spoiler + Orgolove-What happened to the super (semi)spammy agressive Orgolove. He says its holidays, but he's being TOO lurkerish. Mr-Zergling: Very unsure in his posts, not making any strong opinions. More importantly when he was under the impression day had ended early, he said "sorry LSB, too late." Besides possibly(note that word) showing that he knew LSB was blue, the fact that before hand and after hand he hadn't been helping. Compare that with his previous post saying he only contributes when he feels he can. The only thing saving him is that its semi-consistenent with his previous play in games, but major FoS on him nonetheless. Dr.H: I'm always unsure about him, but the major thing I notice about him is that he hasn't been really contributing, as in to discussion. Sure he's given his thoughts every once in a while(and admittedly they were pretty long) but from lack of pming people to noticable lack of seeming "enthusiasm", it just sets of alarms. Probably the weakest feeling to be mafia, however. People to watch: + Show Spoiler + RoL-advocated putting bombs on three people I believe are innocent. Tried to control blue actions. Watch him. Opz-generic contributing without really contributing. d-3- see my analysis on him. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 30 2010 07:11 Pandain wrote: Just found out I have around 15-45 minutes until I go, and I probably won't be back until after night actions are over. So in case I die. So I was going to make a bigger post but it seems that this'll have to be shortened. People who are probably pro town: + Show Spoiler + Decondou-gave analysis of people, contributing. Insanious: I honestly don't know why I voted LSB, but Insanious advocated what I should've done. Besides making long posts with plenty of reasons, he is most likely town. Furthormore he almost saved LSB. Now RoL says this is because he believes that as mafia insanious knew that LSB was town, but why then would he try to and almost save him from a lynch? As mafia they would've just wanted to sit back and let a blue get lynched while appearing afk. Jackal-hunch based on both pms and his general attitude. People who are likely scum in my eyes: + Show Spoiler + Orgolove-What happened to the super (semi)spammy agressive Orgolove. He says its holidays, but he's being TOO lurkerish. Mr-Zergling: Very unsure in his posts, not making any strong opinions. More importantly when he was under the impression day had ended early, he said "sorry LSB, too late." Besides possibly(note that word) showing that he knew LSB was blue, the fact that before hand and after hand he hadn't been helping. Compare that with his previous post saying he only contributes when he feels he can. The only thing saving him is that its semi-consistenent with his previous play in games, but major FoS on him nonetheless. Dr.H: I'm always unsure about him, but the major thing I notice about him is that he hasn't been really contributing, as in to discussion. Sure he's given his thoughts every once in a while(and admittedly they were pretty long) but from lack of pming people to noticable lack of seeming "enthusiasm", it just sets of alarms. Probably the weakest feeling to be mafia, however. People to watch: + Show Spoiler + RoL-advocated putting bombs on three people I believe are innocent. Tried to control blue actions. Watch him. Opz-generic contributing without really contributing. d-3- see my analysis on him. i don't wanna be defensive but rest assured i am actually just really busy for the most part | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
That being said I agree with a lot of Pandain's suspects. Mr.Zergling is probably mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr.Wiggles was either. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 30 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i don't wanna be defensive but rest assured i am actually just really busy for the most part also its worth noting only one of your suspects is suspicious because of post behavior you're basically calling me and orgolove out for being busy during the holidays which is irrelevant to this particular game | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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