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On January 02 2011 12:22 Barundar wrote:We already proved Mr.Zergling is mafia. Here is the post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=44#870RoL is our second kill tomorrow (if a vigi doesn't take him down first). I will post a more thorough analysis of why I suspected him later, but the actions by him and annul during the last few hours should be pretty self explanatory. DT's there is a number of people I'm unsure of. Will post who tomorrow, but TheMango and Tree.Hugger is topping the list. weee 
I would like to add GGQ to the list.
Confirmed townies (these are the people that has been providing enough content behind the scene for me to trust them): Pandain (obviously), Mr.Wiggles, Jackal85, LunarDestiny and Node. However, if you aren't on my list for DT checks or mafia (RoL, Mr.Zergling and OpZ), I consider you town.
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On January 03 2011 03:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I can actually explain all that. Mr Barundar, I actually think you are probably town but I am going to spend my time when I get home from work going over your errors with that post. I don't actually consider your analysis a threat to me since I can't see anyone getting behind it. It does make for a nice fairytale however.
The one thing I will say now is look at how Annul posted towards his death. The guy is pissed, especially over activity. On top of that he was the godfather which made no sense at all. Judging by his anger and him being godfather, I would say chances are most of his mafia comrades are lurkers, which the exception of maybe 1-2 posting a little more. One of the most glaring errors in your argument is this. If I am mafia, and annul was mafia. Then why am I not the godfather if I am so good?
Actions speaks louder than words. People just need to revisit the last few pages to see you are mafia.
Judging by his anger and him being godfather, I would say chances are most of his mafia comrades are lurkers, which the exception of maybe 1-2 posting a little more.
If your team is lurking, how come you got them to change in time?
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On January 03 2011 13:00 ilovejonn wrote:
and lol@Barundar thinking RoL was mafia. =/
My thoughts exactly.
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I don't have much confidence in my analysis of Mr.Zergling then. My initial thought of Meapak was something was off with him, but I shrug it off as blue. He claimed green though. Will go back and look it over...
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On January 03 2011 12:13 Insanious wrote:
So do we have 0 vigilantees or did everyone just attack RoL? Because wow...
Vigilantees should of hit lurkers
DTs check lurkers
We should lynch Meapak and Mr.Zergling and thats how today should go...
BTW, anyone who through RoL was red was a dumbass...
RoL spearheaded the lynch on Annul, no mafia would kill their own godfather thats just stupid... so either the mafia double hit RoL or we have a Vig who killed the strongest town left alive...
/rage, and I wanted to go comotose on this game since we got two mafia by day 2... but apparently I need to keep playing now, thx a lot RoL... wait...
wtf were our medics doing? RoL was an obvious hit, why did no medics protect RoL... wtf is this town doing...
/RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE... *cries*
Alright back to the game, I guess, time to actually go back to looking at what people have been saying since I analyzed meapak and everyone ignored it.
Another rage post on how stupid town is?
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Well if I have to mention something positive, both LunarDestiny and Pandain who pushed for annul with me survived. If OpZ did vigi, then I guess that is atleast 3 people I consider confirmed townies...
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On January 03 2011 12:40 Mr.Zergling wrote:
There go two of our best players. I don't think there is anything I can do to convince you that i am not red, so you all are going to waste one of the lynches on me, at least its double. Choose your second more wisely.
You could start helping out. What do you think of the meapak vs insanious debate?
We got a double lynch. I feel we should atleast devote 1 of these to a lurker. The people who actually add in with opinions are going to be more valuable in this game for us, mafia or not.
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Darth my vote on you is since you and your predecessor has been very inactive. Would you mind contributing some of your thoughts to the discussion?
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On January 03 2011 23:28 TheMango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 23:24 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 03 2011 22:53 Brocket wrote:
You mean the barundar that suspected RoL and paindain who was himself suspected of being mafia?
Despite your good intentions I will not join your circle.
I'm pretty meh at the moment, we have all these role calls which I've never seen before. =/ I guess it's a good thing, but it gives advantages to both towns and mafia. The mafia really need all the help they can get and I'm not keen on throwing them a bone.
@Insanious: right... Kinda like that time LSB got the mewtwo (serial killer) to kill me 'just because I didn't agree with him'. Except it's exactly the same. De ja vu except I like LSB more than you because you make no effort analysing me.
FoS on you.
You mean me? I should've just gone with my gut instinct that game instead of listening to retarded people like LSB. Time to trust my gut instinct again. I get a pretty good read off of Barundar for town; the point he made about the timing of RoL's analysis just turned out to be RoL being semi-afk. That was bad play on RoL's part, but I think there's some merit in what he had to say with regard to looking at lurkers. Thus I'm going to turn my attention to GeorgeClooney's most recent post: On January 03 2011 11:59 GeorgeClooney wrote:
I'm a big fat green, like I have been in the last game of mafia. I agree with RoL that the current mafia are most likely lurkers, BUT I AM NOT ONE OF THEM LOL. This guy spams like Bill Murray and posts equally as meaningless content. I don't think it makes any sense for Barundar to have pushed for RoL and then had him killed during the night. I am still pretty suspicious of Meapak and TheMango, especially since Mango's voting both Barundar and Meapak. That makes no sense. If you are suspicious of meapak, then you should at least see why id be suspicious of barundar (he paints meapak as blue/green), hence my vote.
Actually that's wrong. I said I found Meapak was posting different, but I had been brushing it off as him being blue. When I confronted him with that assumption on irc, he said he wasn't blue but green.
Point is I feel he is posting different from HPmafia. And this is not beceause of a blue role. How is this painting him as a good guy? He hasn't actually contributed at all as far as I can see.
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On January 04 2011 00:07 Brocket wrote:
Guys can I get a 2nd person to pick for the double lynch that will actually count?
Not that keen to vote meapak just because Barundar is giving him a lot of heat.
Instead of basing your thoughts on what I think, why don't you make up your own mind? You did that with RoL, and it turned out to be right. Your opinion on Insanious and me matters, and so would one on Meapak.
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On January 04 2011 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok to explain my last second voting drama. I was in irc with pandain, and everyone else who is cool enough to hang out there. Barundar and I are talking and then pandain just jumps all over me with questions about orgolove and annul (at this point I think pandain was still voting orgo). I'm like ok whatever so I answer but he wont respond when I ask him questions. Pandain was trying to get me to vote orgo through pm and irc but I thought orgo was innocent based on the fact that there was never a counterbandwago. Pandain didn't like this reason and he's getting pretty aggressive and then he switches his vote to annul saying something like "I wanna control this lynch" this sounded so scummy to me so I checked the votes and saw that this put annul one vote ahead of orgo. I didn't want pandain to have hammer power over the whole lynch so I switched to seraph because at this point I didn't want to be part of that mess. However after subsequent discussion with Barundar, a desire not to be left out of the action and a conviction that Orgo was town made me switch me vote back to annul.
I don't think pandain is scummy anymore and I'm 100% sure barundar is legit so my vote is going on mango because I've always found him to be inexplicably scummy along with his vote for barundar. And mr. zergling who is probably the most obvious scum we have right now.
I don't like that you place your defense so much on me. I can confirm that what pandain said came out scummy even to me, but I also recall you being very upset that we changed our votes to annul in the first place.
I can't help but notice that RoL suspected both Seraph and Insanious alot, and neither of you switched to annul. Care to explain?
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On January 04 2011 03:31 DarthThienAn wrote:
guys, don't waste your time on me. zzz.
Believe me, I don't want to. Didn't you afk your way to get mislynched by DrH in Salem? Don't make it so hard on towns that wants to win please 
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About trusting me I have been open on who I'm working with. If you want to be sure of the people I trust, you can kill me and see for yourself. I'm not telling anyone what to do, but after I switched my vote to annul, LunarDestiny PM'ed me he would help me push, on his own initiative. Pandain I'm working close with, not exactly hiding that.
I was wrong on both OpZ and RoL, making me less confident in my analysis of Mr.Zergling. But when Zergling came out after we started pressuring annul, thats when I thought we where right about him. It feels counter-intuitive to let zergling go now for those reasons, would mean we just got lucky on annul. And he still doesn't actually contribute.
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On January 04 2011 14:29 Mr.Zergling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 13:18 Barundar wrote:
About trusting me I have been open on who I'm working with. If you want to be sure of the people I trust, you can kill me and see for yourself. I'm not telling anyone what to do, but after I switched my vote to annul, LunarDestiny PM'ed me he would help me push, on his own initiative. Pandain I'm working close with, not exactly hiding that.
I was wrong on both OpZ and RoL, making me less confident in my analysis of Mr.Zergling. But when Zergling came out after we started pressuring annul, thats when I thought we where right about him. It feels counter-intuitive to let zergling go now for those reasons, would mean we just got lucky on annul. And he still doesn't actually contribute. I made alot of posts after annul died, because lunar was pressuring me
How many times do I have to repeat myself? You only come out to defend yourself, or in the case of annul, to question our reasons for switching to him. You aren't responding to my PM's. If you are town please stop acting up, and give me something I can work with.
Contributing is not the number of posts. It's the ammount of reasons, opinions, input and ideas you come forward with. It has nothing to do with activity.
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On January 04 2011 14:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok we need to consolidate our votes on these four people, Mr. Zergling, Darth, TheMango, and Seraph. I know a lot of people aren't going to unvote me but Insanious TheMango, Brocket, Pandain need to unvote their junk lynches and work on the reds we have. Also we should vote for double lynch again. We're going to get a red today possibly two if people unvote me. However if I do die this should prove several more people as town. People need to work with opz, he's confirmed. People should also work with Barundar and Pandain. Other than the people I've already mentioned as confirmed, I believe why and orgolove are also town. Our DT's and medics should double claim to both opz and Barundar/Pandain to ensure that the information is in safe hands. We've almost completely forgot about the MH role in all this excitment but who ever this is should have bombs on any of the four people above. If we lynch a red today, and the MH moves a bomb onto our two or three remaining suspects and then we double lynch tomorrow we can kill the MH and the remaining mafia if assuming there are four (and assuming the MH has his bombs placed well).
I know I'm going to get jumped all over by Insanious for this post but when I flip town people will go back and read this and I'll be vindicated.
I'd also like everyone to know that I will not change my vote from any of these four however I will change amongst them if I have a chance to save myself.
I fail to see how you dieing proves me?
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On January 04 2011 15:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 15:20 Barundar wrote:On January 04 2011 14:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok we need to consolidate our votes on these four people, Mr. Zergling, Darth, TheMango, and Seraph. I know a lot of people aren't going to unvote me but Insanious TheMango, Brocket, Pandain need to unvote their junk lynches and work on the reds we have. Also we should vote for double lynch again. We're going to get a red today possibly two if people unvote me. However if I do die this should prove several more people as town. People need to work with opz, he's confirmed. People should also work with Barundar and Pandain. Other than the people I've already mentioned as confirmed, I believe why and orgolove are also town. Our DT's and medics should double claim to both opz and Barundar/Pandain to ensure that the information is in safe hands. We've almost completely forgot about the MH role in all this excitment but who ever this is should have bombs on any of the four people above. If we lynch a red today, and the MH moves a bomb onto our two or three remaining suspects and then we double lynch tomorrow we can kill the MH and the remaining mafia if assuming there are four (and assuming the MH has his bombs placed well).
I know I'm going to get jumped all over by Insanious for this post but when I flip town people will go back and read this and I'll be vindicated.
I'd also like everyone to know that I will not change my vote from any of these four however I will change amongst them if I have a chance to save myself. I fail to see how you dieing proves me? It doesn't "prove" you in the strictest sense however you will have a dead green (me) and a dead red (whoever else gets lynched) to vindicate your position to the people who are voting you, same goes for pandain. I'd also like to add an addendum to my earlier post and say that I think Mr. Wiggles and LunarDestiny are town as well.
Problem is, I don't trust you. I agree with Brocket when he sais you seem desperate. If you actually had an interest in confirming me, you wouldn't have a problem dieing.
Difference between me and you vs. me and Pandain is, that me and Pandain are actively working together. You and me aren't. If I die, my circle is cleared of suspecion, and I'm fine with that since I'm green.
If you are red however, you pointing out my name, and several of the people I trust, flipping you will make everyone mistrust us.
Again, I have no reason to believe in you.
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On January 04 2011 16:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol if you're afraid of looking red because I flip red then jump on board my bandwagon, we're serving cheap beer 99¢ nachos and the dance floor is open till 2 am. If you are honestly that afraid of me flipping red then there's no better time than now to vote Meapak_Ziphh and lock in your townie guarantee at the phenomenally low price of one green. But seriously dude, to you and all the others who say I look desperate, would I be that desperate to call out me whole scum team? If you don't think these people are scum then by golly who do you think is? Aside from me of course. Actually this goes to anyone, do you have a better target than any of these four I named?
Rofl, 180 switch. Now I'm actually mafia together with the people I trust, the people who helped me bring down annul? If people actually had any doubts to my allignment they could lynch me, and decide on the rest of the people I trust from there.
Nice job confirming yourself as scum.
##Vote Meapak
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Hm you are right, i misunderstood your post. Thought you where refering to me, pandain, lunardestiny and wiggles, as per your post above it. Am I getting paranoid over your trust in me? Yes a little. Do I like that you have made it your life goal to defend me? No.
But go ahead, and give me a reason to believe in you. Your major contribution to this game has been posting a voting ark. That in itself is not a contribution without analysis. You don't actually make any thoughts on what we can use the voting list for, you just look at who people voted for, and decide if they are scummy or not from there, and thats not scumhunting.
So what makes a vote stay out to you? What are the votes to look for on day 1, and what are the votes to look for on day 2?
In my opinion day 2 is easy, you removed your vote off annul, and didn't reapply it untill all hope was lost. But what about day 1?
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I agree with Orgolove. Lynch Meapak as scum and either Shockeyy or GeorgeClooney as lurker.
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No point lynching darth over gc in my opinion. We get nothing from gc, hardcore lurker.
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