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His reasoning for a lynch is incredibly sketchy. He's saying we should lynch people based on how beneficial they are to the town, regardless of their alignment. He's completely ignoring the issue on whether someone is red or green. This is a straightforward attempt at misdirecting the lynch. | ||
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On January 14 2011 05:05 CubEdIn wrote: 2. deconduo either missed CPR or said he missed CPR, but CPR has still been chosen => Mafia knew what he picked => He is red. How do you know that CPR was still chosen? Also, we aren't letting the KP float around. Suppose Deconduo is red, because we are telling him where to shoot, we essentially control mafia KP. 4. The mafia didn't think it was a problem killing at least one of the people who could be traitor. Turns out two died already, so there most likely isn't more than 1 red in the top 8 (traitor doesn't count) What are you talking about? Jackel58 was killed by deconduo. Barundar was a Bullet Bill snipe. So, based on this, I would definitely lynch deconduo. It's what I'd do, and I'd gladly 'sacrifice' myself if deconduo dies. I fail to see how his death will hurt the town, but I know that mine won't bring any new information to the game. This is incredibly interesting. I want to wait a while for others to throw their two cents in before commenting on this And all you'll do is go "oh well, he played badly". And sweep it under the rug. Killing one of the more obvious suspects is bound to get more information. Just my two cents. We don't lynch for information. Lynching for information is a horrible idea since the information can be gotten from careful analysis anyways. | ||
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On January 14 2011 05:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Woo, time for analysis time. Lets see how much hate it gets me. HI LSB! *waves* remember me? Maybe you don't but you won't after this I swear! HI! Now everyone keep in mind, THIS IS ALL PREGAME. It has been turned down by citizen, fishball, ace, incog, and Ver. Now, this is a pretty decent group of players that hated the plan. Now lets see what happens as the first day approaches. Ok everyone, I know what your thinking? why is he quoting so many peoples posts. Simple, This is an example of all the kickback this plan got, from pre game, into number drafting. STILL, he pushed this plan. It was pushed all the way up till the draft picks were assigned, and continued into the current day where people "should have picked" specific roles. However, if you think the whole idea of pushing this plan is bad, keep in mind he sat back and did not claim he didn't recieve his role. Normally this wouldn't be considered a bad thing, except for reasons like this. Now, he has had more posts obviously, but the majority of his pregame/draft pick/day 1/beginning of day 2 is now up quoted. See the pattern? Very little is actually offered. He pushes a plan that is agreed upon to be anti town by the majority. He then after failing to get his own role via the draft pick sits back and asks for people to claim, repeatedly. Its an information hunt, building who has x role. We then have him refuse to claim when asked when he was assigned one of the roles that was supposed to claim into the main thread if it was taken by someone else. Yeah, and why did I push the plan? You seemed to have ignored this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=8#145 If you still don't understand why I pushed the plan, I'll ask a question. Would you rather have Kenpachi be godfather, or JOAT? Secondly, the plan is not anti-town if followed correctly. I proposed it because it controlled KP and allowed the investigative roles to do their work.If you want to argue about whether the plan is good or bad, then do so. Don't quote people like JimboSilver's who's plan was worse, Amber[Light] who was flat out wrong about how much number clash there will be, and some more people just stating an opinion with no reasoning. If you want, I can stick up PMs with me discussing the plan with Incog See that last part there? HE DIDN"T FOLLOW HIS OWN PLAN. Period. He didn't follow the plan he was trying to push, he tried to farm information from people. He refused to claim, but still tried to call the shots on what other roles are doing. Plus, most of his posts are fluff. Go read the thread. And if you want to decide whether my posts are fluff please analyze them I realize that I have not been the most active of people, but this is getting ridiculous. A player who has played this game so anti town is unbelievable that A) he is still be listened to B) He isn't dead yet C) Everyone is oblivious to points A and B. What do you mean by B? Everyone just sit back and re read his posts. Aside from his "plan" that next to no one followed (including himself no less!), he has posted very little contributions to the thread aside from trying to bandwagon kenpachi and aidnai. Today he begins the hunt for the traitor (which I am equally as bad for), and speculating on roles. This is a flat out lie. I was against the aidnai lynch from the start. In addition after Kenpachi claimed godfather I confirmed and defended him. In addition, I am not hunting for the traitor. The hunt for the Copy Cat was a night role confirming game where we were trying to net a red. Todays target of CubE... I don't want to repeat myself so you can just look at my posts. And what's bad about speculating about roles? Sure, if that's all I did, I understand. However I have done much more, and someone has to do it else we get people like CubE running around who thinks Deconduo is some kind of Mafia CPR Doc. | ||
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On January 14 2011 05:17 CubEdIn wrote: Right, if he's Day Vig. But what if he is, indeed CPR, or night vig or w/e? Then you're not controlling anything. And until you ask him to shoot someone, he can off people at night easily. I asked: are we 100% sure about his role? I think it would be hilarious if Deconduo just killed CubEdIn right now to confirm his role On January 14 2011 05:35 Eiii wrote: ...now that I think about it, the only explanation I can think of for him passing on CPR doc for CC-- as SK OR mafia-- would be if he was mafia and wanted a teammate a couple picks down to get it instead of him. I'm having a really hard time justifying why, as SK, he would take CC instead of more KP. Deconduo claims he was drunk, and since he is Irish I believe him. Also posting this + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2011 22:29 deconduo wrote: I did not get the role I asked for. Mafia must have some way of manipulating the picks. Was a really dumb idea. Or a brilliant gamble. | ||
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On January 14 2011 09:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: I'd rather have LSB out of this game along with all the information he has been fishing. I never really viewed BC as very scummy, but LSB has just given me bad vibes all along, not to mention pushing that massively scum-favored plan as hard as he did. Why is the plan scum-favored? | ||
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On January 14 2011 08:57 Eiii wrote: 'I was drunk and accidentally made a horrible decision' isn't something we should let fly :/ Yes but he's also the SK, and its fun watching the mafia squirm trying to figure out how they can get him lynched. | ||
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On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote: Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan. On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote: i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies | ||
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On January 14 2011 11:57 Fishball wrote: I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section: + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote: To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat. But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote: about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote: This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC. I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote: I don't think Kita is the CC. If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles Deconduo- CC Kenpachi- Some Mafia role Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc Mafia Member 2- JOAT You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant. For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here. Although you try to ignore my reasonig, you dance around the fundamental issue. The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed Kenpachi Not only do you ignore this, you ignore my three other points. Not all information is usefull. However something such as a traitor not recieving his role is increadible usefull. Speaking of which Deconduo is CC Kenpachi is Godfather Kitaman is Vig Baunder and Jackel58 are dead CubEdIn is Medic Amber[Light] is roleblocker That leaves you as traitor. I'm actually flattered that you are trying to eliminate me with reasoning, however flawed | ||
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Vote Fishball As for Kenpachi not being godfather, that would mean someone above BC is the godfather, and when I look at the role list it seems unlikely. | ||
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On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Regardless of you saying its a lie, you voted for him, showing that even if you "disagreed" with the wagon you still jumped on it. No excuse at all. If you have convictions that someone is town, you don't vote for them, period. You have completely misrepresented and twisted my actions The point of my vote was to pressure Aidnai into roleclaiming. Why would I want him to roleclaim? Because he was the witch and it is an important town role that can confirm itself an save a person. Also LSB, speculating on who has what role is awesome, but guess what, its also fing useless to a degree. We can figure out till the cows come home that someone is a medic, however, that doesn't tell us if they are mafia. YOUR ACTIONS ALL GAME HAVE BEEN ANTI TOWN. Simple. You may just be playing horrifically as town, but when every action is anti town, that says a lot about the player. So you want us to kill the witch? Intresting... The moving of the bandwagon off of aidnai was because we wanted him to be able to prevent mafia/sk KP. In my book that's something that is good. What you're advocating is pretending we don't know anything about the roles, when there already is a clear rolelist that has been circulated ever since the number drafting phase. Don't give me any excuses like "Oh but mafia doesn't know 100%", yeah if mafia didn't know 100%, why is Barunder dead right now? However, you getting random people to rise up and defend you is supplying the town with information it needs to find the reds, cause this sort of situation flushes them out nicely. This is all WIFORM. This argument doesn't make sense at all. | ||
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On January 14 2011 22:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: dude, again, this shows your lack of experience. I DISPLAYED WHERE THEIR ERROR WAS. When someone makes a massive fuck up you FoS them, period. Of the three I have pointed out two were FoS, and one is a legimate push. You can easily tell the difference based on the level of analysis I did on LSB compared to the other two. Great, so know you are pulling the experience card? Firstly, I did not make an error. You still have refused to address my reasons and you just simply pretend they don't exist As for salem. As the host I can say there were multiple situations going on, and the only "unlucky" side was mafia infiltrating the circle as quickly as it did. The general pretense on which the game was played was bad. The writeups and general opinions on that game have been written and have pointed out the flaws of that game. I only used it as you compared LSB and DrH, and I opted for a game that most shows the correlation between the two as LSB has a habit of making plans I disagree with/I think are bad. The difference between me and DrH is that my plans, when followed work. XXX RAM And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different. The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3 The key issue is that you aren't willing to actually debate the plan besides a simple statement of "I don't agree with it". This shows that your fears are baseless and rather because of mafia orientation. | ||
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On January 15 2011 01:26 deconduo wrote: Have you guys decided who you want me to day vig yet? Kill Fishball. If he is Traitor/Mafia, we should lynch BC If he is town, you can lynch me. That's how sure I am | ||
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LSB is town and just fingered two mafia. Everyone seems to ignore this. | ||
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Should have remembered, once a backstabber, always a backstaber... | ||
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On January 22 2011 17:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Serial Killer won. Holy shit. LSB needs to take lesson from THE MAN. Hey! I didn't count on BC being there! I planned it around the player list, I didn't see any big mafia hunters there, so I figured out that if I could neutralize the blue threat I should be good. Admit it, the "Lets give LSB the location of the Bulletbill and the Tracker" plan was genius. On January 22 2011 17:16 Ace wrote: Yea I gotta say LSB that was major balls to push that Scummy plan through. I think if you just didn't rolefish you woulda lived a bit longer. Townies actually went a long with it and I was like oh no....Scum win in 5 days v_v Hey hey, scum wouldn't have won that fast, I'd just mow them down with my sk gun! (Of course, after I've dealt with the Bulletbill and the Tracker) On January 22 2011 18:12 aidnai wrote: 1) LSB's plan was horrible for town. I regret that I did not pay much attention during this stage of the game. I know LSB loves his plans, I didn't see anything wrong until BC did his analysis. Direct results of the plan: -Mafia got CC and CPR doc rather safely, it only slipped away from them because of later errors. -Mafia got a fairly accurate role list -etc Yep this was a big problem I identified. But if I was mafia I wouldn't have done that, I would have taken Godfather instead of CC. The plan was more 'anti-mafia' than straight up randomness. However, if I was town, I'd run something that looks more like Hesmyrr's plan, and place the doctors at the bottom, so that the traitor doesn't mess with the doctor picks. On January 22 2011 18:58 Incognito wrote: Honestly I'm not a fan of the hider role. Its weaker than vet, and doesn't seem like that fun of a role. It would have been useful for SK, as it allows the SK to not be tracked, and explain his bulletproofness. I picked it, but Divinek sniped it out of my hands | ||
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