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On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 22:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2011 15:36 aidnai wrote:Here's what's stupid, BC: Point 3 time.
I start to post, (much like I promised I would the night before!) and post analysis. I try to emphasis on the idiodicness of kenpachi taking gf as #2 pick based on his arguments. Simple FoS that hey, I wasnt the only one to make.
The FoS on cube. Guess what, he lied. Plain and simple he lied, straight up, made a generic assumption no one would be smart enough to double check the role list, and I called him out on it. Factor in hes a suspect for traitor and it makes him look all the more guilty. Then for LSB, guess what, everything I posted is accurate. Look at the posts, analyze it. The guy has not been behaving in the best interest of the town. Anyone can see that with the posts brought up. Yet here you are defending him, interesting. We're all busy. I have a job too. And spamming the thread just makes it hard to sort through anything. Therefore, you have to pick your battles. You have to post carefully and stay focussed. When you think you found a scum, you have to make your case and follow through. Even if you brought up legitimate points against LSB cubed and kenpachi (which I acknowledged in my original post), you're not following through, you're not trying to convince us they're scum, you're just throwing it out there to see if we'll bite. Tell me, do you really think all three of them are scum? Even here as you are defending your FOS's, you're not accusing them of actually being scum, you're just criticizing their play. But townies make mistakes, and bad townie =/= scum. Scumhunting 101. On January 14 2011 14:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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You just quoted posts of LSB's that are contradicting in nature and still want me dead.....that is perhaps the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. As for justifiable reasons for picking GF, he had none aside from a scum made plan...one he didn't fully follow as guess what. HE DIDN"T CLAIM HIS ROLE WAS TAKEN. which was part of his plan, he was one of the roles marked in red. You can say he had a "justifiable reason" for taking his role, but he then failed to follow through on his plan and began role fishing for information.
You also compare him to DrH, who has a history of doing the same thing as LSB, and leading town's to terrrrrrible outcomes. Remember in the first bootcamp game where he lost the game for the town by day 2? Yea, that's the level of player you just compared lsb to, someone who as town throws the game away. Yet you still are following him? You're seeing a player who is obviously not playing town sided, one who lies, and yet you still want me dead?
Are you really playing this stupidly? You're doing it again-- equating bad town play with scum play. It's not the same, even bad townies want the town to win. Lynching a bad townie gets you closer to a scum win, not a town win. So tell us, is LSB scum or a bad townie? Your attack on DrH by the way is over the top. Luck conspired against town in salem as well as bad play. DrH was goaded into forming a circle by a random medic claim. Southrawrea happened to be chosen as godfather, and happened to be checked by the DT night 1. Although DrH was entirely too focussed on the town circle, his analysis did correctly identify Radfield and Jimbosilvers as scum as the game progressed. Also, I'm not aware of LSB or DrH having a particularly bad record of leading towns to terrrrrrible outcomes. But I guess you've been around longer... I still think you are scum (or maybe SK?). dude, again, this shows your lack of experience. I DISPLAYED WHERE THEIR ERROR WAS. When someone makes a massive fuck up you FoS them, period. Of the three I have pointed out two were FoS, and one is a legimate push. You can easily tell the difference based on the level of analysis I did on LSB compared to the other two. Great, so know you are pulling the experience card? Firstly, I did not make an error. You still have refused to address my reasons and you just simply pretend they don't existShow nested quote +As for salem. As the host I can say there were multiple situations going on, and the only "unlucky" side was mafia infiltrating the circle as quickly as it did. The general pretense on which the game was played was bad. The writeups and general opinions on that game have been written and have pointed out the flaws of that game. I only used it as you compared LSB and DrH, and I opted for a game that most shows the correlation between the two as LSB has a habit of making plans I disagree with/I think are bad. The difference between me and DrH is that my plans, when followed work. XXX RAM And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different. The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3 The key issue is that you aren't willing to actually debate the plan besides a simple statement of "I don't agree with it". This shows that your fears are baseless and rather because of mafia orientation.
Which reasons would you like me to address? the ones revolving around your shoddy plan? The sketchyness of your actions on trying to force people to roleclaim? How about not contributing real analysis? Your actions are what I am analyzing, any excuse you can come up with at this point is wifom. IF you had only had one or two issues that were minor, then sure your reasons would be more than valid, however when there is a huge amount of information against you, the likelyhood of legit reasons are less. Hell, the reasons behind your not claiming were purely bad. IT does not confirm kenpachi, period. Your plan gave insane information to mafia (if it had been followed), you have then spent the game trying to force people to roleclaim. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this, Roles mean dick all. Mafia at this point could have any role, and the more emphasis you have on them to "prove their role" to legitimize them as town is dumb. Mafia can use a role to prove their role, that says nothing of their alignment.
As for not furthering to discuss your plan. Why would I continue going into it. Pure fact it would have given the mafia a clear window to win. You know who has the ability to absorb night hits, you avoid them, you know who meds are, who has KP, who has Investigate roles, etc.... All the information on who to snipe is then in their hands, whereas town still has to behavioural analyze. Plain simple fact, your plan gave more information to mafia, and not enough to town. IT also hinges on the "leadership" to be town which you cannot guarentee. You frankly assumed you would be town, assumed mafia would be stupid, assumed sk's would be stupid, assumed every player would be naive, assumed you were better than everyone else, and assumed that having a plan and knowing who has what role = knowing their alignment.
Guess what? you were wrong. Knowing someones role means dick. KP roles will still act in the way they best see fit, medics will still save who they think should be saved, etc..., however if you take the uncertainty of who is what, the mafia can hit freely, dodge protections, etc...
You are literally unable to hold anyone accountable for their actions, as mafia would have had a list of roles, and regardless of what they drafted could easily hide in the towns numbers and let it off itself.
I will now say this to everyone playing. This goes also for people who aren't playing but are reading. Towns do not win mafia by having their roles do amazing jobs because of skill, that is luck. Good towns win by analyzing players, and getting mafia lynched. The whole idea of having one central leader, relying on blue roles to find the reds is purely dumb. LSB's entire plan hinged on certain roles not being in red hands, and somehow thinking mafia would be dumb and not use information to properly snipe while be safely able to hide within the towns numbers. His plan didn't have behavioural analysis as its core, which is how towns win. That is fact. Towns for games have been relying on a central leadership/blues to do the work, that is not how you win this game.
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On January 15 2011 04:13 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 03:23 HaploPaithan wrote:
If LSB is an SK then he doesn't care about traitor.
If LSB is scum, well they don't have much use for the traitor if he is likely to die soon anyways. Lets face it, Fishball is likely to die in the next day or 2, I was actually under the impression that Kita was going to shoot him tonight, so hunting down the traitor doesn't really hurt scum too much at this point.
LSB is trying to get the town off of him and focused on the traitor again. Then after Fishball dies and turns up as traitor(most likely) town forgets they were investigating LSB. TBH BC isn't going to let LSB live if Fishball doesn't flip traitor, and I wouldn't either.
Even if fishball flips traitor I won't let up -_-
Antitown is still antitown, and at the moment traitor doesn't count towards mafia #'s so having town hunt the traitor is more beneficial to them. It ultimately benefits town, but it benefits mafia more at this juncture.
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On January 15 2011 09:02 CubEdIn wrote:
P.S.: If deconduo does get lynched, I would strongly advice for him to use shoot on one of the lurkers.
If you hit a townie, it's not a useful townie.
If you hit a mafia, maybe we can stop lynch in time and give you a shot to use night powers.
In fact, shoot someone right now. Anyone you think is scum. Be a hero, help the game!
I like vodka.
Thats a terrible idea -_-.
At the moment it is 9-10 town vs 7-8 anti town (5 mafia, 1 - 2 sk, 1 traitor).
Any random townie death pretty well seals the town loss.
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##unvote
##vote Aidnai
Actually, since LSB flipped red it is unlikely they are in cahoots.
##unvote
##vote Deconduo
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On January 15 2011 09:20 LSB wrote:
I was going to win with you Deconduo!
Should have remembered, once a backstabber, always a backstaber...
Fucking, wrecked.
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fuck, accidently edited above -_- my bad.
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On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote:
I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight.
Wait? You want to kill the player who just analyzed an anti town player behaviourally and helped the town not die as fast at night?
Ok guys, why are we leaving him alive now?
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On January 15 2011 09:55 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote:
I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight. Wait? You want to kill the player who just analyzed an anti town player behaviourally and helped the town not die as fast at night? Ok guys, why are we leaving him alive now? Who would you suggest then?
Someone working against the best interests of the town would be awesome.
So someone who knowingly lied, someone who should be playing more actively but sitting back (bumatlarge, amber, halpo) or someone who was really active previously and have vanished into inactivity like misder and jimbosilvers
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##unvote
##vote bumatlarge
I lay off you for now, and shown you one of the players I plan to analyze next (unless he starts posting actively).
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On January 15 2011 09:58 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 09:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 09:55 deconduo wrote:On January 15 2011 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote:
I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight. Wait? You want to kill the player who just analyzed an anti town player behaviourally and helped the town not die as fast at night? Ok guys, why are we leaving him alive now? Who would you suggest then? Someone working against the best interests of the town would be awesome. So someone who knowingly lied, someone who should be playing more actively but sitting back (bumatlarge, amber, halpo) or someone who was really active previously and have vanished into inactivity like misder and jimbosilvers I was thinking misder/beneather might be mafia. Beneather is in danger of being modkilled though.
That leaves misder as a good target then if beneather gets mk'd.
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Kenpachi if you want to be productive, analyze his posts to prove his alignment, don't use crap reasoning.
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On January 15 2011 10:09 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:On January 15 2011 10:04 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:
Deconduo, dont worry you will not die. YOu have my word on that. Fishball is BSing hardcore So first, you spit out gibberish that I have no clue what you're talking about, and now you're saying I'm BS. Back it up, or you're the one BS'ing hardcore. Okay so what led you to "roleclaim" to the public? ??? When the !@#$ did I role claim to the public?
You didn't, hes making shit up.
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On January 15 2011 10:14 Kenpachi wrote:
oh you didnt? i just skimmed the last 5 pages and got the assumption you and BC did..
I actually claimed ages ago.
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On January 15 2011 10:19 CubEdIn wrote:
Just wondering, do we know for sure who SK wins with?
Because if he wins with Mafia then he knew LSB wasn't Mafia.
Maybe there was a town SK and a Mafia SK.
I'm just saying. We're giving him a chance to kill someone at night, and we're not sure of his alignment.
Do you guys seriously think you'll get a bandwagon going on Fishball in 1h?
his win conditions are clearly labeled in the OP of the game.
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On January 15 2011 10:20 Kenpachi wrote:
no dude theyre 3rd party.
also, BC whats your claim?
Vanilla townie, I attempted to snag GF but you already swiped it -_-
This is not new news.
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On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining.
Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote.
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On January 15 2011 10:35 CubEdIn wrote:
We need 9 votes to lynch.
We have what, 2 hours left?
Do we get... 6-7 people to vote for BC? No.
Then focus on the problem at hand. Lynch dec or not?
we have 23 minutes left.
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On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now.
Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. Decon has KP. However, amber is not off the hook for potential candidate of a traitor, nor are you until you use your KP. People need to keep in mind amber hasn't proved his role, kenpachi hasnt (although his is likely), fish hasn't claimed, and cube hasn't proved his.
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On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote:On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now. Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. Decon has KP. However, amber is not off the hook for potential candidate of a traitor, nor are you until you use your KP. People need to keep in mind amber hasn't proved his role, kenpachi hasnt (although his is likely), fish hasn't claimed, and cube hasn't proved his. Amber role blocked kenpachi, which kenpachi then confirmed via the pm from ace. Kenpachi is the godfather, you said yourself it would be silly for a forth player to select it. I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
Keep in mind there are more than one situations to amber / kenpachi
both red / lying.
amber traitor / kenpachi red
amber legit / kenpachi legit
amber legit / kenpachi red.
Amber is not 100% confirmed as we don't know his alignment, nor do we know kenpachi's. Didn't cube also say he prot'd kenpachi? It is possible his prot roleblocked kenpachi and that is where the roleblock came from.
They aren't confirmed.
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On January 15 2011 10:53 kitaman27 wrote:
JimboSilvers, Misder, bumatlarge, aidnai, Eiii, HaploPaithan, Pigsquirrel, Amber[LighT], BloodyC0bbler, Beneather
You are all content with no lynch? Wasting a town kp. Setting us up poorly for night actions. Sigh.
You do know its not always beneficial to lynch right? 1 dead townie at this point fucks us royally as we are massively behind -_-. If we can't agree on who is red/traitor, we would have to lynch decon/how many votes is he at?
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