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HaploPaithan
United States100 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote: Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive. Well there's two things to consider -LSB magically fixes his plan as soon as he got his role pm LOL -LSB is clearly very stubborn With that in mind my guess is he's a green townie, with an eye towards picking traitor again. If he is mafia why would he bother to change his plan. Since I bet LSB will continue fighting against any objections until the end of time no matter what his role, I propose we just ignore him and his nonsense plan and create something better together. I have something simple and effective but I want to wait until after draft order is set to say anything on it. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=10#197 Generally the draft is not random and can be predicted how it will go. I would also like to reiterate this post. On January 07 2011 16:31 Misder wrote: Also, LSB, I feel that you're over-exaggerating the # of investigative roles Role cop (can only confirm roles in list, not really guarantee that they are mafia), JOAT (can only investigate once), tracker (if used effectively), and parity cop Tracker and parity cop seems like the only investigative roles that the town can rely on. (And JOAT, but that person can only check once) On January 07 2011 22:19 Pigsquirrel wrote: The major problem with LSB's plan is that the Mafia can conform then just snipe the investigative roles. If they are lucky and land on an extra KP, then it's GG for town. There are 8 pro town roles including the protection roles. Assuming that no protects go through, it would take 8 nights for mafia to try to kill every single pro town role. Secondly, the mafia won't be able to use an extra KP because we would know if a CPR doc goes rouge. With the plan we would know who accomplished this. Without the plan we would just be helpless. Also, if we know where the roleblocker is, we can force the roleblocker to stop the CPR docs from attacking. On January 07 2011 22:52 deconduo wrote: There's no point following LSB's plan if more than a couple of people don't intend to. I personally don't think its that terrible, but it relies on every single townie picking as they are supposed to. Its pretty obvious that won't happen now. Remember, the mafia want's to go with random picking. A plan is necessary. I'm incredibly suspicious of the people who are just dismissing the plan without attempting to even respond to my points or suggesting an alternative. Last time I saw this was in Segunko, with Ace dismissing the no attack plan with no reason. | ||
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Pigsquirrel
United States615 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 08 2011 03:34 JimboSilvers wrote: Well there's two things to consider -LSB magically fixes his plan as soon as he got his role pm LOL -LSB is clearly very stubborn With that in mind my guess is he's a green townie, with an eye towards picking traitor again. If he is mafia why would he bother to change his plan. Since I bet LSB will continue fighting against any objections until the end of time no matter what his role, I propose we just ignore him and his nonsense plan and create something better together. I have something simple and effective but I want to wait until after draft order is set to say anything on it. Why wait after the draft order? Isn't that a great way for the mafia to try to assign roles they want to their own people? If we do it before the draft order comes out, we won't have to worry about the mafia influencing the plan for their own benefit. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 08 2011 03:41 Pigsquirrel wrote: I think we should just focus on denying scum the KP roles. Simply take the CPR and comp vigi within the first few picks, scum is left with only 1 kp, we win. What about the investigative roles? Should we give the scum those? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
I meant regarding jimbo (LSB posting too fast). Here's the full post with quotes and everything. On January 08 2011 03:43 LSB wrote: Why wait after the draft order? Isn't that a great way for the mafia to try to assign roles they want to their own people? If we do it before the draft order comes out, we won't have to worry about the mafia influencing the plan for their own benefit. My thoughts exactly LSB. It's pretty easy to say you have something simple and effective, quite another to deliver. And, any plan presented or polished after the draft order is complete is pretty suspect. If you have something Jimbo, tell us now. | ||
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Pigsquirrel
United States615 Posts
On January 08 2011 03:43 LSB wrote: What about the investigative roles? Should we give the scum those? Because giving scum role cop is better than giving them a role list? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 08 2011 04:00 Pigsquirrel wrote: Because giving scum role cop is better than giving them a role list? Why? The role cop can be used to find renegade roles and the traitor. Why should we deny the town this power? | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Pigsquirrel
United States615 Posts
On January 08 2011 04:05 Eiii wrote: I'd love to see a better plan than LSB's put together, but if one doesn't pop up before the draft order comes out then I'm just going to go along with LSB's. I can't imagine that just randomly picking roles without any significant oversight is going to be better than keeping tabs on everyone, since there are a few incredibly strong roles that mafia could pick up. I think I'm going to have to agree with Eiii on this one. I don't like the idea of giving out a role list, but it seems to be the only way to deny scum roles and protect ours. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Don't like it, think of a different one. Tweak it for the better, something. Saying you disagree with something and its a bad idea then going along with it is what leads towns to failure. Jesus. | ||
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Pigsquirrel
United States615 Posts
Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role". There are multiple holes. Add in that there are enough players in this version who know their own personal strengths that certain roles are going to benefit them more highly than others and will most likely just choose those regardless. The emphasis so far in this game is "lets make a list of easy to off targets for mafia / make it easy for them to infiltrate" instead of "lets scumhunt." Bad day 1 start | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On January 08 2011 05:15 Pigsquirrel wrote: You don't have a plan either. We currently have two options: LSB's plan, or chaos. Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos. I like chaos. What's wrong with that? Makes things exciting. Plus, I don't like to line up in "order" and be executed along with the others one by one. If orgolove was in this game, I bet he would be like "OMFG, scum tell!" | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On January 08 2011 06:11 Fishball wrote: I like chaos. What's wrong with that? Makes things exciting. Plus, I don't like to line up in "order" and be executed along with the others one by one. If orgolove was in this game, I bet he would be like "OMFG, scum tell!" Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On January 08 2011 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role". This is exactly the main thing I've been trying to say; The main difference between Radfield's plan and his. Huge difference, to be exact. Oh, and just so it's known to the public. I'm calling BC Mafia/SK! | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
and players like me. | ||
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