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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
December 09 2010 15:08 GMT
#118
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 10 2010 02:46 GMT
#271
Yay done with exams for the semester. Mafia party time ^_^

As stated before, the problem with lynching an inactive is that the mafia can usually guide the vote towards the inactive of their choice. While the lynch should be used to pressure inactives, they don't have to necessarily be the target. Even after day one, it is important that we continue to pressure everyone to contribute to the thread. We can't go overboard on the inactive hunt, however. The goal of the lynch and dt check is to find scum, not confirm inactives.

I agree that guiding the blue roles may not necessarily be the best idea, but in the chance that a new player holds one of the blue roles there should be at least a general discussion how the roles should be best used. For example, the Cloyster should be actively trying to draw a hit. Please don't sit back and hope the hit eventually comes to you. Even worse, do not allow yourself to get lynched. Early on, the more experienced players are probably going to be targeted first and thus should probably be protected by Chanseys. As a town circle is not a priority at this point, checking blue's is a waste so obviously Alakazam's should check the scummiest players. You do not necessarily have to check the most active players, as suggested, since they already provide the most material to analyze.

On December 10 2010 09:36 tube wrote:
yeah dont lynch inactives
this is my first one and im pretty much just reading through the thread until i come up with something


If you were an observer, just reading through the thread would be fine, but a player you have to jump right into the discussion. Even if you are just starting to understand how things work, try to contribute and let the other more experienced players guide you along. Watching is going to make you a target.

On December 10 2010 10:06 Gabriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 09:40 Gabriel wrote:
On December 10 2010 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also @LSB: I don't think we should say "we need to lynch inactives". While it may pressure scum to come out from hiding, I have seen it hit town more often than not. I think we need to deal with who is out and talking and giving us things to analyze rather than just blindly shooting into a room with a shotgun.

I rather start the blind shoot into this small room with a shotgun. We are not getting analysis going too far away day one. Picking the right guy at the right time is picking a dead weight at first.


Show nested quote +

How can you possibly say this? The game literally just started, and we have 48 hours to scumhunt. Again, I am going to say, there is no reason to dismiss the idea of finding a lynch candidate Day 1.

Game started long before first day post. Interesting that you still defy chances: mafia takes some time to get in contact. Maybe you want to propose a lynch candidate right now? I actually have one right in front of me.

Edit to pretify


What exactly do you mean by this? How has the game started long before the first day post? There was enough time for 2 posts after pm's were sent out and then the first post was made.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 10 2010 04:00 GMT
#287
On December 10 2010 12:59 dinmsab wrote:
It would be helpful if someone could make a list of inactives up until now or a post count for each member up until this day. I think that could somewhat be helpful rather than just randomly pointing fingers everywhere.


Good idea. I nominate you.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 12 2010 19:36 GMT
#485
Last four mafia games:

Pokemafia: Kenpachi lynched as town for scummy posts
Salem Mafia: Kenpachi comes an hour way from being lynched as medic
Insane Mafia: Kenpachi lynched as town hero for scummy actions
Haunted Mafia: Recieves Scummiest Townie award

If I were a TR and one of my buddies were in trouble, Kenpachi would be the first person I go after. He has a history of scummy town posts and the inability to defend himself (which usually results in him calling out his attacker). Day 1 is tough, but those who started the bandwagon need to watched.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 12 2010 22:56 GMT
#510
On December 13 2010 07:24 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention was that Kitaman27 said in his (first?) post that he was done with finals, and it was "Mafia Party Time". This would imply that you are planning on being active, but you've been anything but. Just a little suspicious.


Yep just spent all day yesterday traveling so I'm home now. I spent this morning reading through the thread and made a comment about kepanchi. Nothing else really to add at the moment, especially considering its preferable to limit mafia info during night hits.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 13 2010 15:11 GMT
#553
On December 13 2010 19:09 Brocket wrote:
Segue: Honestly, can someone please tell me how many of each role is present in this game. I only know that there are 6 mafia members, that's what KPT stands for right? 6/2 = 3.


No, the role counts are hidden. We know there is 6 TR, one Mew, and one Mewtwo. There are almost always 2 or less of the special roles.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 14 2010 20:54 GMT
#606
On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote:
@amber
I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died.
and I loled at one inactive accusing another.


Based on the day post, I would guess Meapak was the one hit by Mewtwo. Since TR has three kp the first three were probably the scum hits and the Mewtwo hit was the one DrH forgot. That is pure speculation, however. I'm guessing Meapak was targeted for his activity rather than a personal grudge.


I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 15 2010 01:31 GMT
#654
On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote:
Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.


Same logic was used last game in salem which allowed Nemesis to slip through to the end. Lets not use that as an excuse to clear him.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 15 2010 01:37 GMT
#656
On December 15 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 10:31 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote:
Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.


Same logic was used last game in salem which allowed Nemesis to slip through to the end. Lets not use that as an excuse to clear him.

I'd rather a DT check used on BB than a lynch.
Of course, we'll never know for sure about DT checks.

Hmm... Tomorrow, if our medics are still safe, do you think the DTs should claim? They would be able to tell information about two players. And also the medics could protect them.


Why would our dts claimed unless they found reds? Even if they did, they wouldn't necessarily have to claim. Our medics would have to protect them each day and they are vulnerable if the medics are hit. That doesn't make sense.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 15 2010 01:42 GMT
#658
On December 15 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 15 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:
On December 15 2010 10:31 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote:
Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red.


Same logic was used last game in salem which allowed Nemesis to slip through to the end. Lets not use that as an excuse to clear him.

I'd rather a DT check used on BB than a lynch.
Of course, we'll never know for sure about DT checks.

Hmm... Tomorrow, if our medics are still safe, do you think the DTs should claim? They would be able to tell information about two players. And also the medics could protect them.


Why would our dts claimed unless they found reds? Even if they did, they wouldn't necessarily have to claim. Our medics would have to protect them each day and they are vulnerable if the medics are hit. That doesn't make sense.

How about making a list of information of people we would like information on?

If the DT check a Red, or two of the people on the list. They should claim.


Huh? Calling for a double dt claim is sounding really scummy,,,,,
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 15 2010 17:19 GMT
#701
On December 16 2010 02:06 dinmsab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 00:20 seRapH wrote:
On December 16 2010 00:16 zeks wrote:
Getting lynched is better in the fact that I get sent to Bills PC

Others aren't so lucky...

We're pokemon. We never die. We only faint.

...they did faint right?


Now that you mentioned it, why are we talking?

Shouldn't we be like... PIKA PIKA??!


Maybe we are all like Meowth?

We definitely need to vote for double lynch this next lynch since we have missed on the first two.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 15 2010 18:10 GMT
#705
On December 16 2010 02:50 seRapH wrote:
1) What? What do you mean "we're all like Meowth"? ARE YOU MEOWTH?! SCUM DETECTED


Dang, can't fool you. I'm actually part of a third party group of incompetent TR's whose goal is to identify and catch a single pikachu. So far, things haven't worked out so well

On December 16 2010 02:50 seRapH wrote:
2) If we vote double lynch tomorrow, it'll come into effect Day 5, so I agree with this man, unless 2 scum die toget knocked out by voltorbs and mewtwo OHKO's a TR, we're likely going to need a double lynch.


You mean Day 4 right? If we vote for it on day 3 then it comes into effect the next day.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 16 2010 04:16 GMT
#743
On December 14 2010 14:33 Gabriel wrote:
TWO:
Hesmyrr is claiming now. That can still be a mafia ploy so i find interesting that he "just" claimed now. Ill just let it go for now. Hesmyrrs replacement is by no means cleared yet.



Now that Hesmyrr/Pandain has taken the second hit, we know that he was indeed telling the truth. Here Gabriel discredits the hit claim to prevent the existence of a town confirmed member. Why would Hesmyrr claim taking a hit if he was mafia? That doesn't make sense.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 17 2010 02:10 GMT
#800
I'm not going to lie, this is starting to get real hard to follow with these huge walls of text. For example, quoting 4 separate blocks of text and replying "Meh." "Okay." "Don't care." and "But true." really takes away from your argument. Highlighting your main ideas, rather than responding to every single comment is definitely appreciated to keep the spam count low.

Also, I would like to remind everyone that we really should push for a double lynch today. I haven't seen a valid argument why this isn't a good idea.

Kavdragon, deconduo, ShoCkeyy all voted without requesting a double lynch and should be pressured to do so.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 17 2010 03:12 GMT
#808
On December 17 2010 12:07 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 12:00 LSB wrote:
On December 17 2010 11:21 d3_crescentia wrote:
On December 17 2010 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not going to lie, this is starting to get real hard to follow with these huge walls of text. For example, quoting 4 separate blocks of text and replying "Meh." "Okay." "Don't care." and "But true." really takes away from your argument. Highlighting your main ideas, rather than responding to every single comment is definitely appreciated to keep the spam count low.

Also, I would like to remind everyone that we really should push for a double lynch today. I haven't seen a valid argument why this isn't a good idea.

Kavdragon, deconduo, ShoCkeyy all voted without requesting a double lynch and should be pressured to do so.


If we don't have two good lynch targets, then it's a waste and shortens the town day count by 1, IF we continue to miss lynches. And with our track record so far, that's pretty likely. The point of discussion here should be if we have two good targets, i.e. are any of myself/DCLXVI/Shockeyy/Gabriel worth being lynched? There also is the case of if we can find Mewtwo, whom if we lynch buys us another day.

Town KP is Always better than mafia KP. A double lynch has twice the likelyhood of netting a mafia. In addition it basically denies the mafia a night. That's four lives saved.

I think you and Shockeyy are good lynch targets tomorrow if neither of you are lynched today. Especially if you're going against a double lynch.

I agree that Town KP > Mafia KP. It only has twice the likelihood if we pick at random. I don't have any confidence in this town's ability to find scum, given our overall track record and participation thus far. I don't understand what you mean by "it basically denies the mafia a night."


If you don't have confidence in the ability to find scum, then double lynch is the way to go. By relying on consecutive single lynches, it basically forces town to guess correctly while their numbers get whittled away during the night. With the double lynch, it doubles our kp allowing us to take out two suspicious targets. Identifying reds can snowball, so its important we take them out when we have the opportunity to.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 17 2010 20:28 GMT
#855
Since D3 took the night hit then mafia has a strong suspicion that he is mewtwo. I agree with Brocket that the mafia were probably trying to push his lynch.

I'm going with DCLXVI for now.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 18 2010 00:35 GMT
#859
On December 18 2010 09:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:

My night action was to protect d3(even though I did try to get him lynched in the beginning doesn't matter. I wanted to put him to the test and see how well he would of gone up against me). But after seeing what he's trying to pull right now, it's a blatant lie. I protected d3 last night and as to why he's posting as M2? It's a lie because I'm guessing he wants to stay in the game as long as possible... I know the guy is mafia and he's trying to pull it off, he's been confusing everyone with his posting and now is trying to confuse everyone once again by claiming Mewtwo.


If d3 is indeed scum, the real mewtwo now has a night target. D3 wasn't lying when he stated that the best course of action at the moment was to side with town.

I'm not sure about the desperate medic claim, but my vote remains on 666.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 18 2010 00:59 GMT
#864
On December 18 2010 09:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Here's another post that LSB is agreeing with d3 about me.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831&currentpage=34#664

And he never answers the question as to where they are agreeing.


Mind sharing your other medic targets?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 18 2010 02:29 GMT
#896
On December 18 2010 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Kitaman was very active and won't be modkilled because he at least voted for double lynch.

Ghrur and tube will be modkilled.


Hmm?

On December 18 2010 05:28 kitaman27 wrote:
##Vote DCLXVI
##Vote Double Lynch

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 18 2010 21:51 GMT
#943
On December 19 2010 05:24 d3_crescentia wrote:
I don't have any suspects and am going to rest a bit more from driving all day today/yesterday. I'm going to kill brocket tonight, as I think that's the only course of action where it's possible for me to win. Well, not the only one, but it reveals the most info.

I think it's time for a mass roleclaim once the day post is up.


lol no? Of course mewtwo wants a mass roleclaim. Then he knows which townies to pick off when it comes time for him to turn on us.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 19 2010 03:40 GMT
#958
Doh gl. I demand 5 correct consecutive lynches.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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