EPTTL Mafia XXXIV: Pokemafia
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I'm getting impatient. I need a mafia fix! | ||
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A bit of advice: Seeing as PMs aren't allowed in this game, what we want to shoot for is keeping this thread a) informative and b) succinct. If it devolves into a spamfest or two players going at each other for pages on end the mafia are going to have a field day. That's not to say long analysis is bad -- just keep it to the point. At the moment, the only situation that I can think of that would warrant a roleclaim anytime soon would be if you are mew and have found mewtwo. Until then, keep your damn mouths shut as far as your role goes. | ||
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On December 10 2010 09:12 Hesmyrr wrote: + Alakazam guilty result? And yes, PM or no PM, succinctness is critical. I'd prefer that a claim on a guilty result be used as a last resort -- push the lynch with analysis and if that doesn't work play the roleclaim card. | ||
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On December 10 2010 12:25 Gabriel wrote: //End of arguing with random people defending random people when they actually cant pm eachother (suposedly). Going to sleep. The hell is wrong with you? More than one person thinks that your logic is flawed, so you accuse them of breaking the rules and ragequit for the night? Your accusations appear random and designed to stir up controversy. I'm not sure if that's the best way to apply pressure at this point, as this thread is very quickly turning into Gabriel vs. The World, each of which are repeating the same arguments over and over. It's exactly what we want to avoid. For the record, I also find the fact that two people jumped on LSB's bandwagon of Infundibulum incredibly suspicious. I'm going to encourage people to keep an eye on zeks (since we're all already talking about Gabriel). I'm also not prepared to vote Gabriel yet, as I can't really imagine a mafia member drawing so much attention to themselves over something so small. On December 10 2010 12:35 Infundibulum wrote: by the way new players should read this link: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop i would ignore the numbers part. there are some interesting articles on the mafia scum wiki, but do not take them as gospel. i gather that the playstyle over there is somewhat different. Why would you draw attention to the fact that someone might be a cop? When I read this it seemed you wanted to point "Intermediate player looking for reasons to vote day 1" (40%), which could describe Gabriel's play thus far. Unless you actually meant to link the one for finding mafia, in which case well done.  | ||
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On December 10 2010 13:56 Insanious wrote: Completely random I know... but can someone tell me how to get to the voting thread. On the front page it says "vote in a separate thread found here" but there's no link on here, or after it. I think I missed where it was listed and would be nice to be able to see the votes... I have a feeling I'm missing something very obvious. If you go to the mafia forum here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 you can see the voting topic about five topics down. Here's a link to the topic itself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175624 | ||
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On December 10 2010 13:59 zeks wrote: Vote on infun is placeholder for now - though his recent slip ups seem unusual Nice to get a reaction from you folks though How do you feel that he slipped up? | ||
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I'd also like to draw everybody's attention to Eiii, who has been posting in an incredibly scummy fashion. On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote: ...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O On December 11 2010 17:10 Eiii wrote: holy shit Gabriel Mafia: The game where it doesn't matter that your arguments are logically consistent, or that they're accurate, or even that they make any sense at all! As long as you have a long post to make so it looks like you're trying really really hard, congrats! You're absolved of potentially being mafia. Next suspect! What, exactly, are these supposed to contribute? They do absolutely nothing as far as actually refuting gabriel's arguments, but instead continue to pile shit on him by calling his posts bad. It does zero for the actual discussion at hand. To me, it screams scum attempting to deflect a lynch. For now, I'm going to be putting my vote on zeks. If he turns up scum, I think we have been given excellent candidates for the lynch on day 2. | ||
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On December 12 2010 05:47 Kavdragon wrote: I don't have time to search his games atm, but if anyone has been in a game with Ken, where he was scum, I'd like to hear your thoughts. I believe he was scum in Haunted Mafia, where his post style was pretty much the same as we've seen in every other game. No matter what role he is Kenpachi plays pretty suspiciously -- look at how he played Salem mafia, and he was blue! I really don't think we have enough to lynch Kenpachi... yet. I think the best way to determine whether or not he's scum short of a DT check is through guilt by association -- flip another red and see how they relate to Kenpachi. | ||
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On December 12 2010 08:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Hasn't it been 48 hours already since Day 1 post? Night isn't until 7PM PST, we have some extra time day 1. | ||
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On December 13 2010 05:43 Gabriel wrote: Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game). I wouldn't say that. It might have saved Kenpachi's life had more people taken it into consideration. There are very few players able to completely posting style on a dime, and most of those that can (*cough* ace *cough*) are already known for it. | ||
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On December 14 2010 09:41 Hesmyrr wrote: Hey guys, so I don't know what's going on, but a voltorb that was on me apparently exploded at 12/13/10 15:05 (because mod fails). Fortunately my unwitting wit So... I am Cloyster, voltorb exploded on me and my extra night live was removed That's an interesting claim. I'm inclined to believe it -- Hesmyrr has been fairly active, has been stating clear positions on who should be lynched, and in general seems like a town-aligned player willing to put himself out there to risk hits (veteran-style play). In fact, after re-reading his posts I'm not entirely sure where the suspicions of Hesmyrr being scum have come from, and I'll be taking a closer look at those who were putting a lot of pressure on him. | ||
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I still think Eiii is mafia, and I'm very very suspicious of LSB. Note his "I'm going to die tonight!" and "Seriously, I don't understand why I'm still alive" posts. It's just a way of saying, "Look! I'm town! Really! Because I'm a target! Really!" If I had to pick a person who would be Gengar, it would be LSB. | ||
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 town got hit hard this morning.On December 16 2010 16:34 BrownBear wrote: JEeesus christ, what is happening this game. Post more, you! At the moment I'm in an airport posting from my phone, but I hope to be able to contribute more in the next day. For now I'll just put down my overall impressions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if d3 is mewtwo, but I'm not sure if I've got the confidence to lynch what may be a veteran. I'm a lot more suspicious of DCL than I am of insanious -- I haven't actually noticed DCL's posts before now, though it's possible that's because insanious had some pressure put on him earlier in the game, whereas DCL has been largely ignored. I also still think Eiii is scum. | ||
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I really think that the best place to look for mafia at the moment is the people that voted for d3. Eiii, BrownBear, Shockeyy, and DCL all left their votes on him, and I consider all of them to be scum or quite scummy. People should notice BrownBear in particular more, as it seems like he's flipped scum in all of these games where he has been very inactive and only occasionally chimes in with not much in particular. | ||
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On December 19 2010 12:27 LSB wrote: There goes the Brocket Idea... It looks like everyone who voted for DCXLIV (except for Node) were killed. DT, can you claim? Are you sure that's wise, seeing as all of the medics are presumably dead? | ||
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I am Alakazam. Night 1 I checked Eiii. Night 2 I checked DCLXVI. Both came up Team Rocket. Night 3 I was roleblocked. Note that this means mafia targeted everyone voting DCL in some way, and they had 2 roleblockers. I can't see them targeting me with a roleblock unless they thought I was on to something -- thus I think DCL is TR and not Raichu. Do what you will. My cards are on the table. | ||
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I am in fact Alakazam. I lied about who I checked. Yeah yeah, I know, LAL, but hear me out. Night 1 I checked Insanious. Night 2 I checked Brocket. Night 3 I was roleblocked, and Insanious and Brocket died. Everything I had done up until that point in the game was invalidated, and I had good reason to believe that I would be killed on the following night. (clearly, mafia had an inkling that I'm blue) By lying, I was hoping that a) if they were scum, they would do something stupid or b) they would be forced to roleclaim and give town more clear lynch targets. I do believe that DCL and Eiii are innocent, now. DCL's frankness regarding his bombs, and the rise of Eiii combined with the lack of other players coming out of nowhere to defend them have me fairly certain that they're town. Think about it: town has figured out on their own that the best lynch would be me and DCL. Two town-aligned players. It would give mafia the win. That's why we've seen nothing in the way of interference so far. | ||
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On December 20 2010 03:08 DCLXVI wrote: Wait what????? You go from your half assed lie of: "I checked 2 reds the first two nights then sat on them instead of doing what a real dt would do and reveal them day 3" To this? I really wish I could've posted that before you wriggled out of that lie, but I was too late. Now you are trying to shift the lynch off of you and try to make me agree with it by calling me townie? Your story now is that you checked two useless players and got roleblocked so you cannot provide us with any information? Also you plan was to fish for our roles? To see if there were any more chanseys/dt's you needed to kill? Frankly I don't buy this story either. Town do the right thing and lynch this lying scum. As I said, I'm okay with being lynched at this point as I recanted in order to keep you and Eiii from being lynched -- I recognize that what I did was super scummy. But surely you realize that by lynching you (presuming you are Electrode) could very well win mafia the game at the end of the day. Why would I try to prevent that at this point? The dominant thought seemed to be lynch me and you. If I was mafia and had any sense at all, I would have let that happen. I know, I know, it's WIFOM, but getting mad hatter lynched didn't win salem mafia for town, and I doubt mafia would be opposed to trying that again here. And also ask, where is the other DT then, hm? Surely a counter-claim against mine would have held substantial credibility. I figured I was going to die tonight anyways. If I could claim and get a couple of townies confirmed out of it, then it would be worth it. | ||
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On December 20 2010 05:36 Infundibulum wrote: I don't know. I kind of agree with deconduo (who has popped out of the woodwork here) that Node's claim doesn't make much since from a mafia perspective. They are in a strong position right now and don't need to risk much, unless they're going for style. I dunno Node's meta though so IDK if he's the kind of player that does those sort of things. What you say also makes sense though. Node's story is VERY convenient. Remember Pandain's "checks" from the Insane mafia game where he lied about very convenient checks? I get the same vibe from the checks Node says he made. Also did Node claim he was roleblocked before this post? If I was roleblocked I'd probably claim ASAP, since it gives the town information. I'm undecided on this as of yet but either way Node lying doesn't help his case here. I think we also need to look at inactives - BrownBear, Oceanic, chaoser, are names that have been bugging me. I said that I was roleblocked on the 3rd night in my initial claim -- if I said otherwise mafia would've known immediately that I was bullshitting. I'm pretty suspicious of BrownBear calling my claim legit. Not so much because he says it at all, more because he doesn't back it up in the least. I highly doubt that BB is town at this point -- I've said it before, but it feels like every game where he barely posts at all he ends up red. | ||
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On December 20 2010 06:47 LSB wrote: If you checked brocket, why didn't you try to stop us from Nightkilling him? A few reasons: 1) His death wasn't a sure thing. A lot of people were saying, "mewtwo kill Brocket tonight", but d3 never confirmed that he was going to do that. 2) It's one thing to influence a group of people. It's another thing to convince a single person. If Brocket was being lynched, I would have come to his defense. But, I couldn't be sure that d3 would listen to me. In addition, d3 wasn't posting for most of the night phase, so I didn't know if it was even possible to influence his hit. 3) I couldn't think of a way to do it without coming off scummy myself short of roleclaiming during the night. People had already said they were suspicious of me, saying "oh by the way brocket is innocent" wouldn't have done me any favors. Roleclaiming would still have gotten me killed. 4) In the end, he was a townie. If he was blue I probably would have done something drastic. | ||
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I promise that if I don't get lynched I'll die tonight, just to satisfy you guys. <3 | ||
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i'm going to hate myself forever if DCL and Gabriel are TR. | ||
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I have yet to see town win a game. I feel bad. | ||
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Reading kingjames' post reminded me of something I heard somewhere: Poker isn't a card game, it's a betting game. On the same note, Mafia is a game of manipulation, not a game of voting / roles / etc. | ||
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On December 23 2010 00:35 Insanious wrote: Also a question, did anyone know I was a blue? I got FoS'ed like 4 times, never defended my self except vs DCL (who was mafia...) and no one even looked at it. I thought people thought I was green, but LSB knew I was a blue (although might be thinking too highly of LSBs powers) Well, I knew. | ||
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