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On December 08 2010 03:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lsb you are not eligible. you are in too many games. u must /out of either communist or HP mafia Kk I'll out from Communist then. | ||
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On December 09 2010 07:37 Coagulation wrote: thats it! take the banned players discussion to the banned players thread + Show Spoiler + im just kidding i dont give a shit at all .. im probably the biggest spammer here. i just wanted to flex my first ever blue text mod note in a mafia game lol Blue font is awesome! I miss my blue font :S | ||
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A few things to talk about:
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Inactives: A big problem in every mafia game is inactivity. I don't want another drag_ being able to squeak by with barely any posts. We should immediately show it is not okay to be inactive. Inactive players hurt the town as they waste lynches down the road as the town will need to try to separate the mafia from the inactives. We should therefore lynch an inactive day one. This will force the assassins to discuss and not be able to turtle, increasing the chance they will slip up. Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas. One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. | ||
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On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote: Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do? Although generally lynching an inactive won't net a mafia. (There are a few close exceptions). Inactives hurt the town as in later days as we have to waste lynches trying to separate them from lurking mafia If someone slips up and is scum, yes we should go after them. However, activity is always important | ||
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On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. We shouldn't rely on night KP though. On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open. We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells. Having a general system for how blues play is pretty important. We need to establish a good town environment where the most pro-town players won't find themselves dead. We need to establish a place where everyone is active. Sure, we could leave everything to RNG, but we could do so much more with the blues. | ||
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On December 10 2010 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Also @LSB: I don't think we should say "we need to lynch inactives". While it may pressure scum to come out from hiding, I have seen it hit town more often than not. I think we need to deal with who is out and talking and giving us things to analyze rather than just blindly shooting into a room with a shotgun. How do you propose we deal with inactives/lurkers then? We can't just 'leave it for another day'. It's going to be a problem, and if we have no good leads day one, we should do this early, rather than late. On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: @LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around. So your saying that plans are bad? Interesting. Take my plan, what's bad about it? | ||
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On December 10 2010 09:44 Node wrote: I'm not entirely sure what your "plan" is, LSB. All you've said is that we need to "have a general system for how blues play" and that barring any glaringly scummy play we should lynch an inactive day 1. Could you be a little more specific? On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. | ||
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On December 10 2010 09:43 Oceanic wrote: Can someone explain how inactives are harmful for the town? I know it's an extra person for the detective to check but isn't it also an extra person scum needs to kill? The scum will just choose to let the inactives live, because inactives don't threaten them. Also a lot of the times, inactive are mafia. For Example: TL Micro Mafia IV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161868. Drag_ the mafia makes like 5 posts throughout the whole game and is able to skip out of the public eye. The issue is that it is virtually impossible to tell the difference between inactive mafia and inactive town. Lynching inactives hopefully allows us to not worry about trying to guess between the two. | ||
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On December 10 2010 09:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: I agree that we should point to inactives if we have no other leads, but I'm saying to not just say "ok, let's find the inactives" right away. We have 48 hours to find candidates for lynch, no reason to dismiss the possibility of finding one right off the bat. I didn't say your plan was bad, seeing as you didn't really post a plan, nor did I say the word "plan" I was merely pointing out my own observations. What you had posted was good, it was vague, and a good general direction. Getting anymore specific than that at this point can be dangerous. How can you possibly say this? The game literally just started, and we have 48 hours to scumhunt. Again, I am going to say, there is no reason to dismiss the idea of finding a lynch candidate Day 1. You must understand. In order to make sure that people are active, we have to decide early that we going to punish people who are inactive. This way, people are going to be warned and hopefully people won't be inactive. Best case scenario we won't have to lynch an inactive person in the first place since everyone will contribute to the town. I notice you avoided discussion on my 'general direction.' Do you support it? Why? Do you now think we should give general directions to blues? | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:02 d3_crescentia wrote: 48 hours is not a long time to find scum. Let's start now. LSB's blue plan is pretty meh. It's not a good plan of attack for our Zams to check lurkers and inactives; they should be checking people who could be scum, including whoever is contributing the most. Keep in mind that all the mafia needs to do is to distract and confuse the town enough so that they make poor decisions. Remember, the town's best weapon is analysis. By checking the inactives, we flush out the mafia to the limelight where they easily could be found. We want the mafia to attempt to distract the town, this way we can catch onto what they are doing. The town has to be vigilant to guard against these attempts + Show Spoiler + Discussing a plan is one of the best ways to generate activity and catch a scum btw | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:06 Gabriel wrote: Game started long before first day post. Interesting that you still defy chances: mafia takes some time to get in contact. Maybe you want to propose a lynch candidate right now? I actually have one right in front of me. Edit to pretify Btw, in the future, don't edit. Just double post. This way you can reach zealot faster! | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: You want to propose me as a lynch candidate because I am trying to generate discussion instead of being like "Oh yeah, ok, let's just jump on the plan to lynch inactives. See you guys in 2 days." No. I don't get this. | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd rather we just kill the inactives. I think checking them is a waste. The problem is that Lynching an inactive takes up an entire town lynch, which is far more useful and powerful than a DT check. Our lynches must work twords lowering mafia KP. | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: At the same time, DTs must be used to work towards lowering mafia KP too. Analysis is great, but it can only go so far before WIFOM kicks in and confirmation is needed. Again, what do you propose to do about inactives? | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, here is my thought process. Wasting a lynch on an inactive sucks. However, I would prefer to use a lynch than a DT. Using a lynch is hit or miss, but it only wastes one action, while making more headway to finding scum with the DT. Using the DT on inactives pretty much wastes the DT if it is on town, while a lynch on a player is still a bit hit or miss (unless good analysis is done), and accidentally lynching an active townie would be more hurtful than an inactive townie. I am hoping it does not come to this and that everyone contributes though. I would love for a game without a bagillion modkills. Wait. What? Lynch is less important than a DT check? | ||
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Discussion is always good. That's why I start off every game with suggesting we lynch inactives and (hopefully) a plan | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: I would rather waste a Day 1 lynch than a Day 1 DT I feel. Day 1 lynches are tough. Definitely not impossible, but tough when everything is just starting out. Using a DT on someone who isn't going to even bother contributing wouldn't be worth it. Using DT checks on active members is definitely more important. I'm a bit confused now though...You want to DT check inactives AND lynch inactives? That just seems like a waste of resources. Lets say there are three people that are lurking. That's not a far fetched number, mafia love to lurk. Sure we lynch one of them during day one, but what about the other ones? Not all the DTs have to check of course. But maybe setting something such as a probability system would be enough to flush out the mafia. Roll a 1 check inactive A. Roll a 2 check inactive B. Roll a 3 check whoever you want. | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:35 Hesmyrr wrote: Chances of finding scum D2 > Chances of finding scum D1 always just purely on the basis that amount of information available will increase as the game progresses. Although lynching inactives is always a start, we shouldn't discount the power of day one analysis I've seen it many times actually. Kenpachi/Coagulation (Almost, but we switched)- Deconduo's Don't lose your village game Me/Pyrr- TLMMM 2 Masq- Haunted Mafia Bill Murray (Almost, but Ace made us switch x.x)- Penalty Mafia And many others... | ||
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Some of us (me) carry friendly grudges (my first mafia game) ^^ | ||
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By Inactive, I mean someone who is lurking, maybe making one token post in the thread that isn't anything new and doesn't attempt to contribute anything at all, but still votes every day. These are the uninterested townies, the lurkers, and the people studying for finals. | ||
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On December 10 2010 11:22 Infundibulum wrote: Oh i see, we were kinda using different contextual definitions. Yeah by inactive i was thinking of the people that just never show up, not the 1 post 1 vote lurkers. In my experience most modkills happen during Day 1 or Day 2, a period during which it is difficult to distinguish true inactives from lurkers since they both exhibit similar behavior (i.e. very little). Lynching an 'inactive' Day 1 is always a nice neutral ground, but I feel that many people offer it as an excuse since they don't know what else to do (the same reason RNG always comes up, which is IMO worse than lynching inactives). I think of discussing lynching inactives as a jumping point for town discussion. Most people complain that nothing happens day 1, and I want the thread to be filled with activity. Activity is needed to find scum. Speaking of inactivity, everyone should say something! On December 10 2010 11:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't know if the inactive plan is really going to be good. This is why I figured the DT's should be smart enough to make their own decisions and post only when they come across something ground breaking. Its up to the DTs to decide. But the key point of this plan is that it flushes out the mafia. If we get general town agreement, even if the dts don't actually check the inactives, the mafia will be pressured to be more active. | ||
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On December 10 2010 12:35 Infundibulum wrote: by the way new players should read this link: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop i would ignore the numbers part. there are some interesting articles on the mafia scum wiki, but do not take them as gospel. i gather that the playstyle over there is somewhat different. Wrong link, this is for finding the Cop. Something the mafia want's to do. This is the right link http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia Now I ask you, why are you looking at that hmmm? | ||
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In the meanwhile. What do you think about lynching inactives dinmsab? | ||
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On December 10 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and BrownBear in salem! i started that wagon ;o That didn't count, as far as I know it was Ghrur who switched the vote for you guys! If Kenpachi was scum on the other hand... Gabriel. The key thing we have to look at Gabriel is why he decided to Accuse Kenpachi. Is this because he is honestly trying to scumhunt, or is he pressured and wants to redirect the lynch On December 10 2010 11:12 Gabriel wrote: I rather check the active player and lynch the inactive player. The active player right now is more likely to be +info in the future anyways, while the inactive is just... well... inactive. By the way one of the worst game aproachs is the "im noob just reading and getting used to play". If you are town you rather post something small but with actual meaning. I still have a decent target day 1 unless he posts a few more than oneliners. Inactives is also my treasure box. I have a half decent target in the "im new guys" list. However right now i really want to flip Infundibulum because A) He came out of nowhere to dismiss lynching inactives (and that is really nonsense for a player that has played a lot of games) B) I cant believe jcarsoniv just posted a single Why? to LSB vote. The Kenpachi push looks like he is seeing someone that is lurking and wants to figure out what he is. The key point that points me is that he wants to DT check, not lynch Kenpachi (Whoops I gtg brb) | ||
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He pointed out that Kenpachi's posts were spammy and didn't contribute to the town at all. The problem is now, why the bandwagon the bandwagon against Gabriel took place. (i'll look into it later, right now I'm hard pressed for time) | ||
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On December 11 2010 04:33 Infundibulum wrote: I disagree with this, especially considering the wide range of time zones people are in on TL. I'm taking about not contributing to the town. Making fluff posts. Of course, I don't have an opinion on Kenpanchi, he doesn't act differently much. I'm just trying to see why Gabriel would do this. | ||
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Take a look at my posts with Jcarlsoniv. They are not spam, they serve a specific purpose. If you want me to explain, sure... but it's quiet obvious Secondly, you are taking all of the posts out of context. Most of them are responses to other people. | ||
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On December 11 2010 13:42 Insanious wrote: Do we lynch Kenpachi for his posting habbits, Gab for his out burst, Infun for his previous actions, LSB for trying to be the head of the town, or you for just angrily, randomly, accusing people of being scum. The infun lynch is a joke btw. I'll switch my vote to kenpachi for now. See Tree-Hugger's post for reasoning. On December 11 2010 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: While I still feel like it's to early for full blown analysis posts simply because there hasn't been much to analyze yet I must say that Kav's post actually brings up some good points on LSB. I'd like to hear more in depth from LSB about who he thinks we should lynch because after reading Kav's post I'm actually rather confused as to what LSB want's to do. I think the gabriel lynch is junk. I've already stated my reasons why I believe it is so. I'll address who to lynch in a later post kk? On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote: Look at his defense against Kav's [long] list of suspicions. He tries to answer for all of his posts by merely responding that they were all taken out of context. Nor does he even say what "specific purpose" any of those posts had. If those purposes were to answer questions, they had more of an effect of making him look like hes trying hard to come off as town. Though apparently we should see his purposes as "quiet obvious" to the point where he does not have to explain them. (or can't?) Do you seriously want me to go through and explain to you every post? Pick a post. I'll explain it to you. | ||
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Gabriel If your going to accuse someone, please go through their posting history first. See how they played other games On December 11 2010 22:48 Brocket wrote: If you guys are gunning for kenpachi, then what about jcarlsoniv? It seems like they're a couple. I was very suspicious on Jcarlsoniv, but I went through his games and he's playing pretty consistent. | ||
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People who haven't posted yet. (To Be Modkilled) + Show Spoiler + 2. BrownBear 6. DarthThienAn 7. StormTemplar 12. ghrur Gabriel Lynch (I apologize if you are not included on this Supports + Show Spoiler + Kenpachi: OMGYS jcarlsoniv Meapak_Ziphh: Sheepish Brocket: Sheep. Switched to being against the lynch Eiii dinmsab Opposes + Show Spoiler + Gabriel Insanious LSB Amber[LighT] Oceanic seRapH Infundibulum KtheZ tree.hugger Absent+ Show Spoiler + 1. deconduo 4. GGQ 6. DarthThienAn 7. Stormtemplar 9. dinmsab 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 27. Hesmyrr 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks I'm supporting the Kenpachi lynch because I don't like how quickly Jcarlsoniv turned it into a bandwagon. | ||
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On December 12 2010 00:16 deconduo wrote: There seems to be a case against zeks, gonna read over some of his posts now. Kenpachi has looked scummy in EVERY single game he plays. Seriously, he's impossible to read. Zeks pretty scummy from what I remember in other games. Then again he was SK. I've voting for Kenpachi because I don't like how immediately he got strong support from Jcarlsoniv, and how lots of people ignored what Gabriel was talking about, and immediatly jumped the bandwagon. | ||
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The thing is, any other votes is simply you wussing out. And the more people that wuss out, the easier it is for the mafia to hide and not vote for anyone. And don't get modkilled. Unless your mafia. Then you can get modkilled. | ||
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I know your here, you just posted a nice blog. But you managed to not post here and quickly vote for yourself and leave. | ||
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This may be WIFORM. But I don't believe that the Mafia would support the Gabriel lynch when Kenpachi works so well. Mafia day one would want to defend a Townie, but get the Townie lynched, so they look better. Kenpachi would fit that role. All the Mafia would have to do is subtly defend him, but allow him to become lynched. I'm not saying that everyone who defended Kenpachi is mafia. I'm saying its pretty likely that the people attacking Gabriel were mostly green | ||
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On December 13 2010 04:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I bet 100 esports dollars that in Kenpachi's first game as mafia no one will lynch him. No Bet Already happened (Deconduo's game) On December 13 2010 05:43 Gabriel wrote: Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game). Previous data is increadbily important to attempt to figure out differences in play. GGQ is inactive this game, and I've vertifying if he actually could play the newbie card. From the few pages I browsed, GGQ is a pretty active player. This is considerable different from what is happening in this thread. On December 13 2010 05:56 Node wrote: I wouldn't say that. It might have saved Kenpachi's life had more people taken it into consideration. There are very few players able to completely posting style on a dime, and most of those that can (*cough* ace *cough*) are already known for it. AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. | ||
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On December 13 2010 05:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Eiii [...] Complete turnaround... starts the game off saying how he thinks Kenpachi is a bad poster. Then he changes his mind because Kenpachi continues posting poorly? Not to mention he's the last vote. Interesting point. It could be attributed with frustration, or to try to take off pressure from Zeks. On the other hand, lots of people were voting kenpachi, so maybe he went with the flow. I don't agree with your analysis of Brocket though. On December 13 2010 01:10 Brocket wrote: Zeks and kenpachi, but kenpachi and jcarl seemed to back eachother up and focus attention on gabriel. In fact I thought if kenpachi turned out to be mafia, then jcarl would also be mafia so it was a sort of 2 for 1. People did put good arguments for zeks but because I didn't notice him much I didn't think about him, which I suppose makes the arguments against him stronger. Feel free to look at what I've said. I've mostly just been looking at what people have been saying and then briefly looked at 'analyses' of what people said if you want to save yourself some time. This was what I thought too (If unspoken). Brocket, since you've been looking at what people have been saying, do you see anything strange? | ||
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On December 13 2010 06:28 Gabriel wrote: What? im not good at English but you just wrote: What other games have I been scum in? Anyone else remember this? On August 03 2010 21:50 zeks wrote: i'm gonna keep joining mafia games until i get a scum role Zeks hasn't joined Team Mafia yet! (Most illigit lynch ever, but hey... could be slipup) By Scummy I mean that you sound like scum, even though you may be town The games I've played with you RAM: Zeks was inactive, non-comittal Harry Potter Mafia: Zeks has done nothing to contribute to the town and only talks about his own mayoral campagain. PYP2retty scummy from what I remember TL Mafia XXX: I dunno, I died quiet early. Glares at Infun | ||
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RoL was a preemptive hit. Meapak and Jcarlson were anti-Gabriel. Tree-Hugger is a vet. On the other hand I supported Gabriel. I'm now re-examining Gabriel. Now knowing that Jcarlson is town. | ||
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On December 14 2010 10:47 Hesmyrr wrote: Since I got that cleared up, I must apologize and ask for replacement since my schedule isn't turning out to be great, and I am pretty sure I don't have time to make much analyses (warned you guys when I signed up xD). Hopefully there are several names on the replacement list so I hope my decision doesn't hurt the game that much- seeing RoL's name on the list definitely makes me feel better about this. GO VOTE. VOTE FIRST, then replacement. I'll PM you. | ||
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Either that, or they are saving their votes for the end. zeks. (2) Gabriel DCLXVI Gabriel (3) Brocket LSB dinmsab Shockeyy(2) d3_crescentia Amber[LighT] seRapH(1) seRapH Amber[LighT](1) ShoCkeyy It's probably more likely that DoctorH will do a day extension instead of killing 60% of the people in the game... | ||
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On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil. We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this. I agree that we should be going through the list of semi-lurking voters. And I agree with Amber[Light]'s analysis of Shockey. First of all, Day 1 analysis was not scumhunting. It was pointing out how people played. Gabriel played aggressively, and zeks and kenpachi played like their usual selves. Unless someone shows me new analysis I'm not going to be supporting a lynch. As for Voting Gabriel. I found it very strange that Jcarlson and Meapak died. On the other hand, this could be a great way to make Gabriel seem even more suspicious. Now, I'm going to switch my vote to Shocky. Shockey, Brocket, and dinmsab are currently the supporters of the Gabriel lynched (Shockey switched off, but it's not that big of an issue). All people who have shyed away from the public eye, and I don't feel comfortable with this. | ||
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On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Problemic Analysis. Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. A lot of people don't read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. The reasons why you voted for Kenpachi do seem kind of jank now. On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Eh? On December 15 2010 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: How am I obvious? I voted for who I saw fit as well. What have I said that makes me so obvious scum? It's funny how I throw your name into the post and you so happen to come out of no where as well and just start pointing fingers at me. I'm throwing names around because he did miss a few people of course... Why will I get picked out of many when there is others he can also point at. I'm trying to stay as long as possible in this game and of course I have to defend myself, but I never pointed any fingers while defending myself. I guess me stating your name provoked you to start pointing fingers with out any reason as too. Grats, I'm changing my vote to Amber[Light]. Another thing, notice how d3_crescentia doesn't name Amber[Light] in his post and Votes for me when he has no reason to vote for me... But then I throw Amber[Light]'s name into my post and now Amber[Light] is ALSO voting for me. You guys are obvious enough that you both are teaming up against people trying to save the town. Obvious Scums are Obvious. Umm... I don't get your defense. | ||
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On December 15 2010 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I won't modkill more than 3-4 players at a time but everyone who doesn't vote will be banned from future games. I request a 24 hour extension. | ||
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The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] + On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. + Show Spoiler [Night one] + On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quoted text Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol Secondly ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks. This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler + If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:31 kitaman27 wrote: Same logic was used last game in salem which allowed Nemesis to slip through to the end. Lets not use that as an excuse to clear him. I'd rather a DT check used on BB than a lynch. Of course, we'll never know for sure about DT checks. Hmm... Tomorrow, if our medics are still safe, do you think the DTs should claim? They would be able to tell information about two players. And also the medics could protect them. | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: Why would our dts claimed unless they found reds? Even if they did, they wouldn't necessarily have to claim. Our medics would have to protect them each day and they are vulnerable if the medics are hit. That doesn't make sense. How about making a list of information of people we would like information on? If the DT check a Red, or two of the people on the list. They should claim. | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:42 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? Calling for a double dt claim is sounding really scummy,,,,, Can the Mafia Stack hits? If the answer to the above question is yes. This plan might have to wait for another time. Green Checks by DTs are pretty useful. Lets say we were going to lynch Infun and a DT check that he was green. What would the DT do? Claim? Do you think the town would trust the DT? And a claimed DT is better than a dead DT anyday. All right. Here's the outline. Now We make a list of people who we would liked check. Put scummy people and inactives on there. Night two Our Medics must stay alive. So tonight our medics should self protect Day three The DTs claim if either a) Then found a red b) They checked two people on 'the list'. Also, the DTs will not claim the person's role. Rather they will claim either "Mafia" or "Town" Night Three Medics protect DTs DTs continue to check people on the list. Theres a few key points to consider with the plan.
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On December 15 2010 10:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you an idiot? I never voted Amber[Light] till he voted me... Can you actually read the thread before you spew more garbage out of your mouth? I only stated Amber because it's funny how d3 never mentioned him and quite a few others that never really post, but yet, I get mentioned... So of course I'm going to defend myself. I only pointed out that he never mentioned Amber[LighT]... Then all the sudden happy go lucky amber comes and calls me scum for no reason and then votes me. That's not weird at all, of course not, even though I never voted for amber. I only had mentioned his name as to why d3 never mentioned him either. Exactly. You don't have an opinion of anything unless someone attacks you. According to you. People who attack you are scum. Everyone else "you don't know because you haven't read enough of the thread" Different ShoCkeyy? I always defend myself in every mafia game I have always played, and funny thing is, last game I played was about a year ago and I was a medic. Nice one, everyone lynched the medic because he defended himself. Keep going down that road and watch the town die. And I'm actually helping the town by showing them the mafia circle that's going on between you, amber and d3. Can you provide me a link of this game? Thanks [spoiler]How does Zeks tie with me if he's green? I don't care for him, I cared for Gabriel in the beginning till Amber decided to burst his bubble because I told d3 he never mentioned amber. And this is a NO PM game. And even if I knew he was green, wouldn't that make me a DT? I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Where was this agreeing? The only agreeing I saw between the two of you was to lynch inactives, unless you guys are pming each other or talking to each other through other means (which only mafia can do this) Exactly. Why don't you have an Opinion of Zeks? Also, yes, we both agreed that we should pressure some sort of lurker. And after glancing at your post history... something's off.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you an idiot? I never voted Amber[Light] till he voted me... Can you actually read the thread before you spew more garbage out of your mouth? I only stated Amber because it's funny how d3 never mentioned him and quite a few others that never really post, but yet, I get mentioned... So of course I'm going to defend myself. I only pointed out that he never mentioned Amber[LighT]... Then all the sudden happy go lucky amber comes and calls me scum for no reason and then votes me. That's not weird at all, of course not, even though I never voted for amber. I only had mentioned his name as to why d3 never mentioned him either. Exactly. You don't have an opinion of anything unless someone attacks you. According to you. People who attack you are scum. Everyone else "you don't know because you haven't read enough of the thread" Different ShoCkeyy? I always defend myself in every mafia game I have always played, and funny thing is, last game I played was about a year ago and I was a medic. Nice one, everyone lynched the medic because he defended himself. Keep going down that road and watch the town die. And I'm actually helping the town by showing them the mafia circle that's going on between you, amber and d3. Can you provide me a link of this game? Thanks How does Zeks tie with me if he's green? I don't care for him, I cared for Gabriel in the beginning till Amber decided to burst his bubble because I told d3 he never mentioned amber. And this is a NO PM game. And even if I knew he was green, wouldn't that make me a DT? Where was this agreeing? The only agreeing I saw between the two of you was to lynch inactives, unless you guys are pming each other or talking to each other through other means (which only mafia can do this) Exactly. Why don't you have an Opinion of Zeks? Also, yes, we both agreed that we should pressure some sort of lurker. And after glancing at your post history... something's off. | ||
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Caller's Red Army Mafyia: Role: Medic Posted 99% one liners. Got angry and warned for flaming. Mafia XVI: Role: Townie: Takes positions, especially on Xelin. Defends himself mostly civily. Mostly one-liners. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 08:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia. I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed. On January 21 2010 09:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Hmm, I don't like this whole vote for me thing. Seems fishy, and especially the way he words it. He tries to win you over, so he can make sure he wins. I like his style no lie. But I won't be able to vote for him. Laaan, sorry, but my vote remains the same. All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea. On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok, so I see some of you think I should be lynched. Well for one, I'm typing off my phone, so bare with me. Second, I voted for quikstriker, cause he seems like the right canidate for the mayor position out of everyone else here who is trying to be mayor. I rather choose some one who didn't impose themselves into trying to be mayor. Brings me to my reason as to why I would want xelin lynched. Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way. The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. And one more that Shockeyy left out TL Mafia XVIII: Role: Mafia: Shockey was under heavy clue suspicion. He responded mostly civilly. However, most noticeably Shockey has essentially only one post that isn't either spam or defending himself (included below). Shockey shys away from taking any positions, besides defending himself. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2010 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think it's pretty clear right now that the town should not be voting to kill Scamp. He is right in that at best all L has is some shaky clue analysis. In fact, most of L's clue analysis is directed at other players (Chez, johnny, me) and not at Scamp, go read his posts if you don't believe me. Something I've noticed is that Scamp has actually taken the time to legitimately defend himself. I remember when we were going to lynch Mystlord, he hardly said a thing and most of what he said only incriminated him more. Right now the only thing incriminating Scamp is L. Also when QS was going to be lynched he came up with the stupid modkill plan that had no way working. Scamp hasn't tried to pull anything of that caliber. It seems to me he's arguing as a townsperson. To the town, L has already convinced you to lynch our Mayor/medic. What's going to happen when Scamp turns up innocent? We'll be in a bigger mindfuck than we are right now. tree.hugger is clearly the safer vote right now. It's no doubt that if Scamp does not get lynched, L will continue to incriminate him. If Scamp is indeed mafia, he's going to slip up somewhere. Do you agree? Or any objections? | ||
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On December 16 2010 00:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: That's the thing, i didn't fall into anything, unless you d3 and lsb planned to mention my name and try calling me out (which is why d3 never mentioned you). Then i only so happened to mention your name, not even paint you as scum and you were way to quick on protecting yourself and painting me as scum. That in it self says scum all over it. And you still haven't given a good reason as to why i am scum yet, you just keep saying im scum and to vote for me... On December 15 2010 05:47 LSB wrote: I agree that we should be going through the list of semi-lurking voters. And I agree with Amber[Light]'s analysis of Shockey. | ||
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On December 15 2010 23:27 Brocket wrote: I am more interested in defenders of Gabriel and players FoSing Shockey than Gabriel and Shockeyy now. I'm not feeling as intense on Gabe as I felt over day 2 but I'm thinking that's cos he hasn't been talking much. Maybe if he posts more it'll reignite my burning passion to lynch him out. People springing to mind: LSB (really quick change vote from gabe to shockey and muddied the anti gabe arguments, didn't offer much on zeks even though zeks earned compelling arguments). On December 12 2010 00:36 LSB wrote: Zeks pretty scummy from what I remember in other games. Then again he was SK. I've voting for Kenpachi because I don't like how immediately he got strong support from Jcarlsoniv, and how lots of people ignored what Gabriel was talking about, and immediatly jumped the bandwagon. On December 13 2010 06:32 LSB wrote: Anyone else remember this? Zeks hasn't joined Team Mafia yet! (Most illigit lynch ever, but hey... could be slipup) By Scummy I mean that you sound like scum, even though you may be town The games I've played with you RAM: Zeks was inactive, non-comittal Harry Potter Mafia: Zeks has done nothing to contribute to the town and only talks about his own mayoral campagain. PYP2retty scummy from what I remember TL Mafia XXX: I dunno, I died quiet early. Glares at Infun On December 15 2010 10:30 LSB wrote: All right. If Zeks flips green. Take note of this. If he's red, I will eat my words. The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] + On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. + Show Spoiler [Night one] + On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quoted text Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol Secondly ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks. This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler + If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy | ||
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On December 16 2010 09:38 seRapH wrote: I'm vigi and I night hit you obv. If mafia or mewtwo does end up killing you though, I claim no responsibility >.> There is no vig. =P | ||
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On December 15 2010 09:31 DarthThienAn wrote: I agree that BB has been pretty useless this game. But do you guys think he's mafia? I don't want to just lynch another useless/inactive townie zzz. On December 15 2010 06:51 DarthThienAn wrote: I voted zeks, because I think he's the best chance of being mafia of the people we have now. I also haven't read the last couple pages cuz I'm busy, but I want to point out deconduo again... I'm not sure he said anything this game --useful-- other than giving a reason for his vote. Not much to help us here. I guess we could say that DarthTienAn might have DT checked BB. Amber[Light] would have claimed if he stumbled on something useful. Pandain's only post On December 15 2010 07:31 Pandain wrote: Alright hai everyone, I'm here. And I haven't fully caught up yet but I think I would just like to share some of my thoughts. 1.I do not believe Gabriel is scum. Why would a mafia be SO active day 1, and even more so. Rather than just chillaxing in the back and letting town go vs town, he's actually actively trying to find scum. Now, what I find interesting is that if he was scum, then 1.Why haven't his scum buddies reigned him in at all. 2.Why does he keep making such long posts on day 1, which is really the best day since mafia can go afk basically. It just doesn't make sense for gabriel to be mafia. There is still a slight chance that he is, but that is overshadowed by the likes of Seraph, zeks, and DXCVILL for instance, all of those who have been "contributing without contributing"(save zeks recently.) If we do lynch zeks, not only do we lynch a potential scum, but if he flips mafia then the 11-12 outcome on day 1 will immensely help us with scum hunting. That's only a side bonus, but it is a point worth noting. Furthormore, town needs to broaden its perspectives. It is too late to go after these, but I am posting these here, those who have been "contributing without really contributing." In the interest of time I shall just post one, but there are others who I shall bring up as well. Seraph + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:19 seRapH wrote: PROFESSOR OAK DIED?! NOOOOOOOOOOO spam On December 11 2010 02:41 seRapH wrote: I HAVE AWOKEN FROM MY SLUMBER Going to read through thread now spam On December 11 2010 03:15 seRapH wrote: Oh come on guys, 5 people voting for Gabriel out of nowhere? He hasn't really been very scummy imo. I'm keeping an eye on this bandwagon for scum, it's very likely that someone amongst these 5 are poison-type pokemon, maybe even multiple of them. As of right now, I still don't see any obvious scum, or even likely scum, for that matter. Lynching inactive won't be a bad option at any rate, and likely a better choice than blindly following one of the two bandwagons right now. post to just get by On December 11 2010 05:25 seRapH wrote: At the very least he's voicing his disagreement with the Gabriel bandwagon. pointless On December 11 2010 13:35 seRapH wrote: ALL MIND GAMES Plus it pushes people to actually post. In the end it's all about how much content we have. pointless, and whats with the "we" On December 12 2010 07:55 seRapH wrote: I'm voting for Kenpachi now because he started the lynch Gabe wagon, and because he has no posts of substance. No substance --> Airhead --> KOFFING irony On December 13 2010 13:38 seRapH wrote: This sucks for you I really want to know who the voltorb's on now... spam/fishing????? On December 13 2010 21:20 seRapH wrote: WHAT WE LOST MEAPAKK TOO?! T_T Immediate FoS on ghurur for FoS'ing Meapakk. Mafia would likely continue attacking their intended targets, especially if they were chansey'd. bad accusation, and weak one too. But first, can someone just link me like a post or tell me exactly why zeks is a good lynch suspect. Tiny bit of pressure on Seraph | ||
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On December 16 2010 11:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: Holy shit, I was so wrong about amber O_O.... Now the town is really fucked, we have to lynch the right person within this next day, meaning mewtwo if we even want to survive this at all... Good idea | ||
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On December 16 2010 12:36 d3_crescentia wrote: I took the fourth hit. 3 KP + 1 SK = 4 Amber[Light]=1 Brownbear=1 Pandain=2 d3_crescentia=1 1+1+2+1=5 Explain | ||
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On December 17 2010 02:56 Kavdragon wrote: In my opinion, Scummy play is play that benefits the Mafia, but not the town. Bad play is play that benefits the Mafia, AND the town. Good play is play that benefits the town, and not mafia. This asks the next question. What benefits the mafia, and Town? Town benefits from good analysis and discussion of suspects, with some emphasis on civility. Mafia benefits from everything that gets in the way of good discussion and analysis. (I.e, Spam, Bashing, etc...) I'd like to hear other's opinions though. Especially yours. How do we tell the difference between a mafia and a scum? Do mafia always play scummly? Do town always play like townies? According to your definition, everyone that has an analysis post is town. And this is obviously false. What we need to look for is previous play. We need to see how they acted before. Kenpachi and Zeks were lynched because a bunch of sheep saw bad posts but didn't think. Long story short, vote for shockeyy | ||
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My Thoughts Shockeyy: (By LSB) 1) Lurks all the time 2) Does not take a position 3) Responds only when pressured 4) Profile matches with previous scum play. D3_crescentia (By Kavdragon) 1) Critiques stuff without alternatives Yeah... because everyone offered alternatives to my plan. </sarcasm> 2) Spam Yeah... because only scum spam.</sarcasm> 3) States obvious points and mini analysis Insanious (By DCLXVI) 1) Has a few good posts FOS DCLXVI 2) Lack of activity Yeah because you're a shining example of what it is like to be active On December 16 2010 16:39 Brocket wrote: Satisfactory analyses, well done gentlemen. DCLXVI even bought attention to himself about the two voters against him being eliminated via analysing insanious. So it's a sign of honesty but the fact is still suss. I'm still not trusting Gabe because of kenpachi+ jcarl. d3 hasn't been very consistent, that much is true. Why is it that townies seem to crumble when they are accused, you've got nothing to hide, don't make things worse by blurting out names and getting unnecessarily offended by accusation. WTF?????? Is this sarcasm? DCLXVI (By Insanious) Interesting, do you want to look at his previous play to confirm? I could give you Segunko PMs if you'd think they'd be useful 1) Contributed nothing to the thread, just did token posts to seem like he was participating 2) Continuously uses the "I don't read the thread much" card, even though he seems to know what's going on 3) Got FoS'd by two players who died in the last night period | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:30 LSB wrote: All right. If Zeks flips green. Take note of this. If he's red, I will eat my words. The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] + On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. + Show Spoiler [Night one] + On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quoted text Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol Secondly ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks. This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler + If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy On December 15 2010 11:46 LSB wrote: ShoCkey Previous Game Analysis Caller's Red Army Mafyia: Role: Medic Posted 99% one liners. Got angry and warned for flaming. Mafia XVI: Role: Townie: Takes positions, especially on Xelin. Defends himself mostly civily. Mostly one-liners. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 08:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia. I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed. On January 21 2010 09:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Hmm, I don't like this whole vote for me thing. Seems fishy, and especially the way he words it. He tries to win you over, so he can make sure he wins. I like his style no lie. But I won't be able to vote for him. Laaan, sorry, but my vote remains the same. All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea. On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok, so I see some of you think I should be lynched. Well for one, I'm typing off my phone, so bare with me. Second, I voted for quikstriker, cause he seems like the right canidate for the mayor position out of everyone else here who is trying to be mayor. I rather choose some one who didn't impose themselves into trying to be mayor. Brings me to my reason as to why I would want xelin lynched. Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way. The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. And one more that Shockeyy left out TL Mafia XVIII: Role: Mafia: Shockey was under heavy clue suspicion. He responded mostly civilly. However, most noticeably Shockey has essentially only one post that isn't either spam or defending himself (included below). Shockey shys away from taking any positions, besides defending himself. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2010 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think it's pretty clear right now that the town should not be voting to kill Scamp. He is right in that at best all L has is some shaky clue analysis. In fact, most of L's clue analysis is directed at other players (Chez, johnny, me) and not at Scamp, go read his posts if you don't believe me. Something I've noticed is that Scamp has actually taken the time to legitimately defend himself. I remember when we were going to lynch Mystlord, he hardly said a thing and most of what he said only incriminated him more. Right now the only thing incriminating Scamp is L. Also when QS was going to be lynched he came up with the stupid modkill plan that had no way working. Scamp hasn't tried to pull anything of that caliber. It seems to me he's arguing as a townsperson. To the town, L has already convinced you to lynch our Mayor/medic. What's going to happen when Scamp turns up innocent? We'll be in a bigger mindfuck than we are right now. tree.hugger is clearly the safer vote right now. It's no doubt that if Scamp does not get lynched, L will continue to incriminate him. If Scamp is indeed mafia, he's going to slip up somewhere. Do you agree? Or any objections? | ||
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However, as town Shockeyy at least makes the effort to take positions and do things other than viciously defend himself. Shockeyy's mafia play fits his current play now. Now that we know both kenpachi and zeks were green, we can predict the voting pattern of the mafia on the first day. It makes sense for the mafia to not switch votes at the last second, mainly because they know both lynch candidates were town, and that switching votes would put the FoS on them. I personally think that the mafia manipulated the voting so that there would be a close tie between the two candidates, thus FoSing people who change the vote. Basically, I think the most mafia are within the 3rd to 7th votes on the lynchees day one. (A better method would be to look at the vote timestamps) The reason I brought this up is because this evidence may be DCLXVI, Eiii were the only ones who voted both zeks and Kenpachi. However this isn't a big issue since Day 2, it was pretty clear that all the sheep were voting for zeks. We probably cannot receive any meaningful voting analysis day 2 | ||
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On December 17 2010 11:21 d3_crescentia wrote: If we don't have two good lynch targets, then it's a waste and shortens the town day count by 1, IF we continue to miss lynches. And with our track record so far, that's pretty likely. The point of discussion here should be if we have two good targets, i.e. are any of myself/DCLXVI/Shockeyy/Gabriel worth being lynched? There also is the case of if we can find Mewtwo, whom if we lynch buys us another day. Town KP is Always better than mafia KP. A double lynch has twice the likelyhood of netting a mafia. In addition it basically denies the mafia a night. That's four lives saved. I think you and Shockeyy are good lynch targets tomorrow if neither of you are lynched today. Especially if you're going against a double lynch. | ||
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On December 17 2010 12:00 d3_crescentia wrote: Take this list and analyze the person that is immediately below you. Since I am at the bottom of the list I'll wrap things around and do deconduo. Use DECISIVE language in your posts; either say YES this person is scum and here's why or NO this person is not. Then the person who is TWO above you should analyze your analysis. This should get things rolling. This is an incredible waste of time. What we need to do is focus on one or two people. This is a great way for mafia to lurk, post an 'analysis', say the person is town, and then move away. Although interesting, we need to work on having a well thought out lynch. Unlike yesterday. What everyone needs to do is give their opinion of Shockeyy. D3, I noticed that you were willing to lynch Shockeyy. Why not now? | ||
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On December 17 2010 12:07 d3_crescentia wrote: I agree that Town KP > Mafia KP. It only has twice the likelihood if we pick at random. I don't have any confidence in this town's ability to find scum, given our overall track record and participation thus far. I don't understand what you mean by "it basically denies the mafia a night." Right now, for every lynch, we have to sacrifice four townies at night. Would you rather trust the mafia to kill the own, or the town to randomly guess correctly? | ||
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On December 17 2010 12:22 d3_crescentia wrote: I trust mafia to kill people that are trying to be active in helping the town. Would you have the town go to RNG now? If everyone is more active and more aggressive in their play, then there would be more information available for analysis and (I think) a better chance at catching scum. Maybe picking 2-3 people for everyone to analyze is better; maybe not. Maybe I'm just retardedly wrong. So killing people who actively try to help out the town is a good thing and we should have more of it? D3 is SK Remember. There is NO REASON to lynch D3. The mafia will take care of it by themselves If the Mafia Uses a roleblock and a kill on the serial killer. Will the serial killer die? | ||
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1 lynch + 4 kp + 1 lynch + 4 kp = 2 lynches +8 kp 2 lynches + 4 kp = 2 lynches + 4 kp. You're reasoning is that during night the mafia will shoot for the active players... o.o Just claim SK and be done with it. | ||
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This will be the game where Town/SK wins. Please vote Shockeyy and double lynch everyone. | ||
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Do you support D3 or not? I support him because we have a better chance of winning by working with him. | ||
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Its a pity that there isn't enough active townies to stop them... | ||
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On December 18 2010 02:54 deconduo wrote: Not to make excuses or anything, but I'm having a lot more fun in the Harry Potter game. Having no PMs is a bit crippling for me as I've found out in this game, as I do a load of work through them normally. I'll make an effort to contribute a bit more though. Deconduo get an replacement or pay attention and switch your vote off of D3 | ||
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I'll post my ideas after the lynch. I'm watching responses right now. | ||
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D3 hits shockeyy tonight. If he's lying, he dies. If he's telling the truth he lives. | ||
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Finalized Plan. Day 3: Lynch DCXLIV Night 3: D3 attacks ShoCkeyy. ShoCkeyy self protects A few attempts could happen. Mafia could stack against ShoCkeyy, or Mafia could roleblock D3. D3 will receive a notification if he is roleblocked. Anyone else up for this? | ||
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Look at what happened in insane mafia. Ace claimed one of the hits. The third party who ordered the hit got pissed and killed Ace. If D3 lied about being mewtoo, he just signed his death warrent. | ||
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I don't trust you at all. All you are doing this is an attempt to redirect the lynch. | ||
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Shockeyy played as a very transparent mafia. He made no attempt to try to hide his intentions. Things we learned Gabriel is probably town On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. On December 14 2010 13:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: #vote Gabriel D3 is non-mafia If you’ve paid any attention to the thread you’ll probably realize this. Now, if D3 fake-claimed SK. There is a very very high chance that we’ll see him dead tomorrow. LSB is awesome and bestest mafia player ever Medic… please please please protect me. | ||
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On December 15 2010 23:27 Brocket wrote: I am more interested in defenders of Gabriel and players FoSing Shockey than Gabriel and Shockeyy now. I'm not feeling as intense on Gabe as I felt over day 2 but I'm thinking that's cos he hasn't been talking much. Maybe if he posts more it'll reignite my burning passion to lynch him out. People springing to mind: LSB (really quick change vote from gabe to shockey and muddied the anti gabe arguments, didn't offer much on zeks even though zeks earned compelling arguments). Oceania &Seraph (said to death, lack of posts and jumping on teh wagon. I don't think much about posters like these but even I noticed a lack of posts from Oceania and Seraph. It's way too easy to sit back and vote, you got to get in the game if you want to stay). Amber (really quick on voting Shockeyy, way too quick especially when we were already divided about zeks and gabriel. d3 has distanced himself from you and i think lsb will plan to as well.) But I'm going to let other people talk now. I feel like my posts have made some people shy away from posting their ideas/opinions which isn't good. Please post something you think has happened or looks strange. As far as me voting myself: I will vote myself if suspicion falls on me and you guys want to confirm I'm a townie. I already said that I believed zeks/gabe were mafia and I'm already half wrong. | ||
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Here are the people who did voted for DCLXVI and d3_crescentia. Remember, all the mafia had to do was switch one vote off of Shockeyy and he would have been saved. Although Mafia could have bussed Shockeyy, it would be far more easy to kill DCLXVI Also, check out this post On December 18 2010 04:28 Brocket wrote: BROCKET HAS ARRIVED. EVENTS that townies should give a shit about: D3 claims to be mewtwo. Town is COOL with this. WE LOVE m2. Why? Because if townies lose then m2 loses at this stage since zero mafia are dead. Also Mafia have zero ways of killing m2 except by vote. Look at this. LOOK AT IT. d3_crescentia DCLXVI Kavdragon Eiii BrownBear deconduo You must vote one of these guys. Any of them. Shockeyy could be the 6th but not sure. My suggestion is, hop onto the god damn DC wagon or else I'm going to suss you out next, got it? ##VOTE double lynch. ##Vote DCLXVI. You KNOW it makes sense. Make the mafia fail in killing m2, kill a mafia, get 2 lynches for next day. Why the hell would you NOT do it and spread our votes between shockeyy, gabe, LSB. What the fuck? Get with the program pikachus. HRRRRRRNNNGGGGHHH. Assuming that Brocket is red, there is a good chance that none of the people who voted for D3 are actually red DCLXVI
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On December 18 2010 17:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ghrur the Chansey was modkilled Tube the Pikachu was modkilled Chaoser the Pikachu was modkilled There goes my theory about tube... x.x On December 18 2010 22:45 Brocket wrote: I said DC was mafia for 2 reasons. He had 2 previous accusers killed off and he started the d3 bandwagon. Yet somehow it's my fault for his actions? What? Is it getting through that accusers of DC in previous nights have been killed? 2 of them? The key issue is that the mafia was actively trying to redirect the lynch off of Shockeyy. There are three ways they could do this 1) Stay low and just vote for themselves (what Oceanic did) 2) Place their votes on D3 and hope to get him lynched (This is incredibly dumb) 3) Attempt to redirect the lynch to DCXLIV Now. How would we know if the lynch was attempted to be redirected to DCXLIV? The key point is how the DCXLIV pushers dealt with the Shockeyy issue. Mafia would just completely ignore Shockeyy to try to not tie themselves with them, or downplay the issue. (See how Pandain tried to downplay Coagulation and focus on Glasse in don't loose your village) Now lets apply this to see if it fits Brocket. Firstly, his main argument against lynching shockey Day 2 was that there "was not enough information". This is clearly false, I had done the full analysis. Comprehensive post analysis, and also previous game analysis. In addition, Brocket does not offer a reason why the shockeyy lynch was premature, he just assumed it. + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2010 06:06 Brocket wrote: I think shockeyy and amber haven't posted enough to earn a position to be voted. The shockeyy bandwagon does not amuse me and I am disappoint in LSB. In tree hugger fashion: Gabriel or zeks are good votes and are the only votes that should matter because those two have been discussed 'extensively'. If you want shockey out, wait till day 3 voting please, you're not helping the town cause. Way too soon and way too shallow of an argument. I am not satisfied with amber or d3's (lol) arguments. LSB, shockey is implying amber and d3 appear to be working together.Which I agree with. But I'm saving that for the next day assuming I don't die night 2. Btw please look more on amber+d3 if I die night 2. On December 15 2010 06:12 Brocket wrote: "As for Voting Gabriel. I found it very strange that Jcarlson and Meapak died. On the other hand, this could be a great way to make Gabriel seem even more suspicious." This kind of evens out you going on shockey bandwagon LSB. This is a great point and I say I didn't even think of it. But I'm assuming TR are too stupid to even think of something like this. Nonetheless this discredits the Gabe vote. I'm sticking to my guns though. As I just said gabe/zeks are both good votes. Voting shockeyy now in the final hours of day 2 voting is a huge mistake, we simply haven't discussed enough about him yet. It's just a mixture of spontaneous and bandwagon which are key ingredients for suspicious activity and failure. Now, the most important post I discovered is this On December 18 2010 09:44 Brocket wrote: @ LSB: I'm not sure about shockeyy but DC and gabe have been suss. Don't you think there's sufficient evidence against DC too? It makes no sense voting d3 if we know he took the hit. If he's not a vet he's mewtwo. In either case the mafia want to save up a night kill by lynching him. Does it not make sense then to avoid that by lynching? We can use a mewtwo. Kind of sad if shockey turns out to be a medic but if you are still compelled go ahead and vote him. I'd rather see shockeyy go than d3 at this point. My vote is still on DC. Planned medic claim much? Brocket's key defense of Shockeyy was that he could be medic. No one says could be medic. People say possible blue. There was no way Brocket would know that Shockeyy would be claiming medic, unless he planned it with Shockeyy beforehand. | ||
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On December 18 2010 18:19 Node wrote: Sorry for the lack of posts lately, between finals, flying across the country, and being at home where much of the time the only internet is the EDGE network from my phone, I've been having a hard time keeping up with mafia. Here are my thoughts at the moment. I really think that the best place to look for mafia at the moment is the people that voted for d3. Eiii, BrownBear, Shockeyy, and DCL all left their votes on him, and I consider all of them to be scum or quite scummy. People should notice BrownBear in particular more, as it seems like he's flipped scum in all of these games where he has been very inactive and only occasionally chimes in with not much in particular. FOS Node | ||
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DT Please Claim. Tomorrow is possible the last day for the town, and any information, even if everyone you checked die, is good Medics please protect me. After I'm gone, medics, if you trust your own abilities, possibly start self protecting. Initial Lynch setup. I'll get in depth later If D3 kills someone that isn't Brocket, and isn't red. We'll need to start cutting KP drastically. Someone else should do the calculations, but D3 could loose us the game. If D3 is roleblocked. Lynch Brocket [u]If Brocket is red[/] I'll make a big post about this soon If Brocket is green The town will really need to re-evaluate everything that's going on. | ||
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Tinfoil Hat Mode All right, the only possible way the town could win right now is by practically naming every single mafia straight from the bat. So I'll try my hand at picking everything. + Show Spoiler + Major Assumption. DCXLIV is green Way to confirm without killing DCXLIV: If Brocket is red, this could be an easy way to confirm. Day 3 Mafia Plan -Redirect lynch onto DCXLIV. + Show Spoiler + This would be an attempt to save Shockeyy. -Put suspicion on people who voted for D3. + Show Spoiler + A way to try to control Day 4 double lynch This is the key post that dictates the plan On December 18 2010 04:28 Brocket wrote: BROCKET HAS ARRIVED. EVENTS that townies should give a shit about: D3 claims to be mewtwo. Town is COOL with this. WE LOVE m2. Why? Because if townies lose then m2 loses at this stage since zero mafia are dead. Also Mafia have zero ways of killing m2 except by vote. Look at this. LOOK AT IT. d3_crescentia DCLXVI Kavdragon Eiii BrownBear deconduo You must vote one of these guys. Any of them. Shockeyy could be the 6th but not sure. My suggestion is, hop onto the god damn DC wagon or else I'm going to suss you out next, got it? ##VOTE double lynch. ##Vote DCLXVI. You KNOW it makes sense. Make the mafia fail in killing m2, kill a mafia, get 2 lynches for next day. Why the hell would you NOT do it and spread our votes between shockeyy, gabe, LSB. What the fuck? Get with the program pikachus. HRRRRRRNNNGGGGHHH. Greens under this idea Grouped under the D3 lynched Eiii- Insanious pushed him DCXLIV- Obv Brownbear- DTH breadcrumbed him. Grouped under the "D3 lynch" Kavdragon- Not that much, he's pretty scummy... but still listed deconduo- Voted for Shockeyy Voted for shockeyy seRapH- Possibly green LSB Gabriel deconduo- Possibly green KtheZ- Possibly green, see below GGQ- Possibly green Infundibulum- Possibly green Reds under this idea Brocket- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=43#847 Node- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=46#915 + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 19 2010 03:00 Kavdragon wrote: LSB: You expect Mafia to RB you? Why? If there is a chance that you will die, we need to know what information you have. If it means posting it right before the end of the night, then so be it, but please, don't die with information that can benefit the town. Don't worry about that. I'll make sure any information I have gets through before 10:00 KST. On December 19 2010 02:48 Brocket wrote: When did I defend shockey or believe him? I just said it'll be unfortunate if shockey turned up medic after he claimed medic. I didn't ever say I believed him. Seriously quote me. Please. And when did I defend Shockey? , I told you guys to go ahead to vote Shockey, it's even in the damn post you quoted me saying. I personally chose DC because like gabe he has gone under the radar due to shit storms. I still think DC is scummy. Am I not allowed to think that when I have said multiple times that DC eliminated people accusing him and I thought he was a scummy target for eliminating his targets and trying to get rid of m2. Am I not right in saying if d3 is mewtwo then we can use him as townie? He gave up the game when he admitted it. He can't win until more mafia are dead. You defended shockeyy in two ways. Firstly, by trying to delay the day 2 shockey bandwagon right as it started. Secondly you attempted to redirect the lynch to DCLXVI. This is most evident when you did not have an opinion on the Shockeyy lynch at all and kept on insisting (and still do) that we should lynch DCLXVI. DCLXVI became too conviniant for people to jump on without thinking, or explaining themselves. This is the reason why I suspect you. You nearly let shockeyy go free by almost getting DCLXVI lynched. | ||
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On December 19 2010 02:58 Brocket wrote: Let me refit the context as well while I'm at it. day 2: zeks+ gabe were on the chopping block. Amber+ d3+ lsb decide to vote shockey. Amber points out some things, sure. d3 just obligingly agrees and lsb quickly hops on with no in depth 'analysis'. We said that it wasn't good for the town when zeks + gabe were good enough votes and that we'd discuss shockey on the following day which you guys refused to do. We get the discussion necessary for shockey and we reach a suitable conclusion day 3. I stuck by my guns and I still stand by my vote on DC and hold residual suspicion on gabe. I also stand by my decision to keep d3. That's all I've done up to this point since day 2 and day 3. Tell me now if I've done anything wrong. The thing you did wrong is that you killed Amber, you tried to kill D3 and you'll probably kill me tonight. Oh and DC/Gave/Zeks are all town. And you pushed their lynch. | ||
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On December 19 2010 05:24 d3_crescentia wrote: I don't have any suspects and am going to rest a bit more from driving all day today/yesterday. I'm going to kill brocket tonight, as I think that's the only course of action where it's possible for me to win. Well, not the only one, but it reveals the most info. I think it's time for a mass roleclaim once the day post is up. Well, medics shouldn't claim, but I don't have a problem with Hatters / DTs claiming. | ||
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Miss Both Night 4:6/5/1. Mafia Victory Hit one, miss one Night 4: 7/4/1 (If miss mafia) Day 5:4/4/1 LYLO (If hit mafia) Day 5:5/3/1 Advantageous to not Double lynch Hit two mafia Night 4:8/3/1 (If miss mafia) Day 5:5/3/1 Advantageous to not Double lynch (If hit mafia) Day 5:6/2/1 Very close to victory | ||
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2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 9. dinmsab 11. DCLXVI 14. Node 15. KtheZ 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel- Cloyster 24. Kavdragon 26. Infundibulum 30. d3_crescentia- SK | ||
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On December 19 2010 13:19 Node wrote: Are you sure that's wise, seeing as all of the medics are presumably dead? Well, if we mess up this lynch, we lose | ||
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All right, I also ran through the numbers Lynching Node and DCLXIV Node is telling the truth. Night 4: 7/4/1. D3 hits Eiii Day 5: Eiii is raichu: 4/4/1, very iffy situation... Lylo all the way Day 5: Eiii is mafia: 5/3/1 not too bad DCLXVI is telling the truth Night 4: DCLXVI stuck his bomb on townie: 6/4/1 LYLO Night 4: DCLXVI stuck his bomb on scum: 7/3/1 very good chances | ||
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On December 19 2010 16:13 DCLXVI wrote: Also, how did you manage to determine d3 was SK and get him to claim? I'm very good at guessing. Imagine this setup. I have a hat and inside is either a big rock, or a crisp $20 bill. Now, I pose to you the question. What is inside? If you guess correctly you get what's inside + Show Spoiler + You guess $20 because being correct about a big rock is worthless I did this to Hesmyrr in Segunko Mafia | ||
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On December 19 2010 12:38 LSB wrote: Day 4: 8/5/1 Miss Both Night 4:6/5/1. Mafia Victory Hit one, miss one Night 4: 7/4/1 (If miss mafia) Day 5:4/4/1 LYLO (If hit mafia) Day 5:5/3/1 Advantageous to not Double lynch Hit two mafia Night 4:8/3/1 (If miss mafia) Day 5:5/3/1 Advantageous to not Double lynch (If hit mafia) Day 5:6/2/1 Very close to victory The numbers are going to be a bit worse if we go for DC and a scummy player, with a bigger chance of immediatly loosing. | ||
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Also, if you tell us who you placed the bomb on, it would be extreamly helpful in determing what to do. Also, remeber, we have not yet decided who to trust. My idea of lyching Node+DCLXIV trusts no one. + Show Spoiler + Technically its lower, because he chose to place the bomb before the kills were made. But that isn't really relevant. | ||
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On December 19 2010 20:00 Eiii wrote: I've been lurking recently because after reading through the thread each day, I just haven't found myself with any reason to post. You guys gave me a reason this time around, though.. ...because today I learned that either I'm miller or node is scum! Given how fragile the current situation is I'm more inclined to believe node is just lying and trying to throw off our double lynch to all but secure a mafia victory. DC's actions recently don't make him look 100% clean, but neither do node's-- plus, I don't think it's totally believable that a dt would be lucky enough to hit mafia twice on his first two tries. :/ What did your role PM say? Pikachu? | ||
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I still don't trust DCLXVI. | ||
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Although I do agree what Node did was unwise, it did force you to claim Hatter, and I'm not so sure about the validity of the claim | ||
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Brb Btw I've created a pastebin of the past 50 pages so it's easy to search through now that my "All" functionality is broken. http://pastebin.com/rhtjdf4b | ||
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He hasn't helped town at all. I went through his posts and haven't found anything worth mentioning. Maybe this. On December 10 2010 13:03 dinmsab wrote: Imo, I think it's inevitable to lynch inactives. I'm an amateur at this but in my last game I was mafia and I tried to stay low. So yeah, from my perspective inactives might be mafia, worse case scenario they're just bored pikachus. So not much harm there. Although if we have solid leads and clues on active players, I believe that should take priority. All right, now to look at how he played other games Incognito's TL Mafia XVI Townie. He makes 3 worthless posts. + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2010 02:14 dinmsab wrote: Yeah, you just sealed your fate right there. On January 23 2010 00:04 dinmsab wrote: Almost anything would get you lynched in this game, except for when your actually asking for it. On January 25 2010 22:47 dinmsab wrote: Clues help indeed, just don't trust them 100% for certain. Ignoring clues would be a total waste imo. Red Army Mafia Spam, but I don’t know his alignment, so any read is probably usless [GG] Team Liquid Mafia – Resurrection Mafia Leader. Well he actually was active this game. And played good townie who listens to the town circle by supporting Ace. + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2008 06:50 dinmsab wrote: I was going to vote for Folca, but you Hyperbola changed my mind. Its true Folca is a jerk, but we cant just go kill off random townies if we're planning to win this. Good work Hyperbola. Spammny Vote reasons On December 16 2008 07:57 dinmsab wrote: imo, at this rate mafia could be acting as either one of those... and i believe that blues are more likely to stay in the shadows and avoid the spotlight rather than mafia. Killing off inactive players is indeed a good move when you dont have any clues on what to do next, but that doesnt mean your going to get a guaranteed mafia kill. Right people should just do whatever Ace tells them too since he's the one making the most sense, but that doesnt mean we can trust him completely with a list of blues. Supports Ace, a townie, and his circle On December 17 2008 06:47 dinmsab wrote: Well, it cant be helped.. we were on a very good start when we got ver lynched with the help of ace, and now suddenly out of nowhere 2 DTs just got owned. Its just natural that people will shift their blame to someone.. and since Ace did most of the decision making and he was working with an "anonymous" dt, not to mention he is also likely to be with contact with most of the blues at this moment, people would shift their attention to him. Although i'd say we put our suspicions of ace on hold, and first continue to deal with the list that the dt gave us. Continues to support ace On December 18 2008 19:23 dinmsab wrote: Clear out the list first, like ace said its a guaranteed mafia hit. Then we can move on with the other suspects. Btw, assuming ace isnt lying to us, and indeed another medic appeared... then wouldnt it be wise if we kill atkzerg first? I dont think that townie claiming to be a medic would have any reason to lie about his position, unless he is a bored townie and just wants to see another medic dead. Follows Ace Conclusion: Probably town: As mafia he put some effort into his posts. | ||
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On December 19 2010 16:52 Gabriel wrote: I have the strongest feeling that he is mafia because i played a game with him (i joined the mafia later in the game). In few words he just doesnt post at all (i think it was mafia resurrection with bc as host, i played under malongo id). Iif you look at his voting pattern he has been an early voter both times, hinting that he doesnt want to die to a modkill but that he is not interested into posting (he has like 3 posts). More than anything voting just too early for a bandwagonably (if thats a word) player (Gabriel). Now it is pretty clear that he is not blue and it doesnt make sense for him to be green. He is the kind of player that just afk in that case without voting. On December 19 2010 15:45 Gabriel wrote: Wait. You had a bomb on shockeyy and me when shockeyy died. Why didnt you redirect the lynch on you at that stage? You could have roleclaimed at that time to clean up shockeyy and me protecting the SK that was helping the town. Never thought of it? | ||
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On December 20 2010 05:36 Infundibulum wrote: I don't know. I kind of agree with deconduo (who has popped out of the woodwork here) that Node's claim doesn't make much since from a mafia perspective. They are in a strong position right now and don't need to risk much, unless they're going for style. I dunno Node's meta though so IDK if he's the kind of player that does those sort of things. What you say also makes sense though. Node's story is VERY convenient. Remember Pandain's "checks" from the Insane mafia game where he lied about very convenient checks? I get the same vibe from the checks Node says he made. Also did Node claim he was roleblocked before this post? If I was roleblocked I'd probably claim ASAP, since it gives the town information. I'm undecided on this as of yet but either way Node lying doesn't help his case here. I think we also need to look at inactives - BrownBear, Oceanic, chaoser, are names that have been bugging me. You haven't been really active either... | ||
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Day 1: Kenpachi Day 2: Gabriel Day 3: Shockeyy 2. BrownBear Day 1: Missed vote Day 2: Brownbear Day 3: D3_crescentia 3. Eiii Day 1: Kenpachi Day 2: Zeks Day 3: D3_crescentia 4. GGQ Day 1: Zeks Day 2: Zeks Day 3: Shockeyy 5. LSB Day 1: Kenpachi Day 2: Shockeyy Day 3: Shockeyy 9. dinmsab Day 1: Zeks Day 2: Gabriel Day 3: Gabriel 11. DCLXVI Day 2: Zeks Day 3: D3_crescentia 14. Node Day 1: Zeks Day 2: Zeks Day 3: DCLXVI 15. KtheZ Day 1: Zeks Day 2: Zeks Day 3: Shockeyy 18. Oceanic Day 1: Zeks Day 2: Zeks Day 3: Oceanic 19. Gabriel Day 1: Zeks Day 2: Zeks Day 3: Shockeyy 24. Kavdragon Day 1: Kenpachi Day 2: Gabriel Day 3: D3_crescentia 26. Infundibulum Day 1: Zeks Day 1: Zeks Day 3: Shockeyy 30. d3_crescentia Day 1: Hesmyrr Day 2: Shockeyy Day 3: DCLXVI | ||
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On December 20 2010 08:12 BrownBear wrote: I disagree with you, but then, I'm biased against town alliances w/ 3rd parties. They never work out well for anyone. Personally, my view is that if we know who MewTwo is, we should lynch him. End of story. What do you think we should do today if we don't work with MewTwo then? Also, how will the numbers look like? | ||
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On December 20 2010 08:29 BrownBear wrote: Mewtwo has failed to net us a single TR kill so far. I highly doubt that he will. Lets say we lynch a TR and Mewtwo today. That will put us, after night kills, at 7 to 4. Now, let's say we lynch 2 TRs today, That's 2 kills from them, then a kill from Mewtwo which will put us at either 7 to 3 or 6 to 3. However, that's relying on Mewtwo to actually hit a TR - something I highly doubt will happen. Or how about 1 TR, 1 Town. We have 8 town to 4 TR and mewtwo left, that's 4 nightkills, unless we get HUGELY lucky, we could be put in a 4-4 situation where we'd be absolutely fucked. We're basically in LYLO at this point, we need to kill off the anti-town players we know. And we know d3 is anti-town. All right then. Who should we lynch then? What about you? You seem pretty TR. Also, how would be know that our lynch is going to hit TR? What makes it so much more accurate than a M2 hit? | ||
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I have no idea what Brownbear is doing. His proposal to kill the third party is incredibly scummy. On December 20 2010 14:38 d3_crescentia wrote: You guys make it sound like I'm some sort of bad puppy. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced Shockeyy was a sacrifice made by the mafia. Shockeyy himself gave us no leads anywhere, and if I recall no one really stepped up to defend him. Without the modkills yesterday we could've been at 12/5/1, which means you could have afforded to lynch me and some other dude that the mafia would have drawn you to, and then hopefully take the game at 8/5. But then there were the modkills, so things have changed. I think that Shockeyy's vote list has to contain a few mafia, though it's quite possible they just split their vote between our three candidates yesterday. Note that Oceanic and dinmsab both had single votes for themselves/Gabriel respectively. Quite frankly I'm more than willing to buy that they're town - or at least, put our focus elsewhere for the time being. Did Shockeyy's death give anyone any more credibility? LSB's voted Shockeyy on Day 2, so I am thinking that should clear him as town-ish. It leaves Gabriel, deconduo, KtheZ, GGQ and Infundibulum as targets for analysis. This would make Node most likely to be mafia, should the mafia have actually split their votes. The Node/DCLXVI conversation points to Node being more likely mafia as well. Unfortunately as mentioned I'm not sure that mafia need to risk another player at this point in time. If he dies blue today we may need to reconsider DCLXVI for tonight. We have DCLXVI, Kavdragon, Eiii, Brownbear and Shockeyy on me yesterday. Shockeyy was scum as we found out; Kavdragon is likely town and Eiii is questionable. DCLXVI's fate is tied with Node's in my view. As for Brownbear, if he was town and so vehemently believed that an alliance would be unfruitful, he should have been pushing for my lynch harder yesterday, because the town will be in LYLO no matter what happens to me today. Again, this is dependent on the logic of Shockeyy being sacrificed, because I think he could have easily kept silent and let the town flounder a little longer without a target. I agree that the mafia may have bused Shockeyy... however, I think its because DCLXVI was also scum so the mafia had no choice at all. I am left unsatisfied with DCLXVI's response, so I will be voting for him. In addition, I want to shy away from lynching dinmsab, especially since how fast the lynch was formed. So I'm voting for DCLXVI and Brownbear. | ||
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In this setup there should be at least two DTs, and since no one has counterclaimed, isn't Node our second DT? | ||
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But, I'm all for killing Infun, or DCXLIV | ||
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At least infun and GGQ should be mafia... Dunno what to think about KtheZ | ||
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Please hit mafia... That actually could keep us in the game | ||
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Right now its 5/5/1 Flip oceanic red, Infun is red, mafia hits two townies (KP is reduced) 3/3/1 | ||
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DCLXIV doesn't have any bombs, cause he's red so I'm cool with killing him too. | ||
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Maybe I'll wait till 3:00 EST | ||
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A day 4 claim that I checked DC as red, and Gabe as green would be pretty intresting. | ||
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On December 22 2010 15:58 Node wrote: Son of a bitch. I was technically correct with my false claim, but I managed to get the Gengar. I need to learn to pursue these things more -- trust my gut, stick to my guns, push what I believe and damn the consequences. The one game I really did that in (assassin in the palace) it won me the game. If I had done so this time, I may have been able to get two TR lynched. :p Reading kingjames' post reminded me of something I heard somewhere: Poker isn't a card game, it's a betting game. On the same note, Mafia is a game of manipulation, not a game of voting / roles / etc. Dude that would be awesome! If you stuck that would take taken out you and Gengar, and then maybe we'd follow up on Eiii. That's why I love vigilante/Mad Hatters. All you have to do is kill the mafia. You don't have to explain yourself On December 22 2010 16:49 DCLXVI wrote: @LSB I can't believe you actually bought my electrode claim I didn't =P, I voted and pushed for you at the end, but of course, I just gave up Okay... I might be a bit of a pyscko adopted parent, but I take care of the lynches I push, and watch as they grow up and become fully matured | ||
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On December 22 2010 22:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yeah on that "why did you kill me?" note, I pose the same question. I had only posted once that I was getting around to reading the thread, although that does make me happy that I didn't. On the "why did you kill me" note, was claiming Cloyster effective in moving mafia hits away from me? I might want to do it in future games. | ||
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On December 23 2010 03:20 Brocket wrote: I may not be ready to turn the other cheek when I get called out, but honestly nobody here seems to handle being called out themselves very well. Actually I think LSB conceded a couple of points I made so that makes me a little happy. Yeah, you were right about DC, (ofc), just me being super paranoid didn't see it. I was expecting more mafia action than just simple passiveness. I think we should have agreed to lynch Shockey this day, and then DC afterwards, rather than making it a competing lynch. It's just the issue of townie on townie that breaks down most mafia games here. | ||
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On December 23 2010 03:52 Insanious wrote: 10% of a Mafia game is what you post, 90% is how you post it. ^This. Very very very true. | ||
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On December 23 2010 06:23 Incognito wrote: False claiming vet? Hmm that sounds familiar... Didn't get the role you wanted? Fakeclaim it! | ||
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On December 23 2010 05:14 koreasilver wrote: Having gained access to the mafia forum just before this game started I was always curious as to why there possibly could have been so many bans involved in here. I followed this game occasionally when I could and it's seriously crazy how some of you acted in this game. It put me off quite a bit, to be honest. I really hope you don't take this game as representative of all games in the forum. Check out insane mafia. People had lots of fun, and not too much drama. Did I mention the modding was 5 star, top of the line? I really liked the cohost | ||
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Are you going to play Team Mafia? I want a rematch. | ||
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