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No PMs? Awesome Possum!
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Do we have a limited amount of double lynches?
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I'm not sure if we should really take Gabriel's actions that greatly into consideration. Considering that he is a relatively veteran player, I don't think the bandwagon against him is of great value. If he was mafia, isnt it common sense for them to talk about a game plan and think things out before posting, rather than actively arguing with people?
But this is beside the point, and something I wrote while browsing the forum. What I really want to note is:
dinmsab's behavior is strange.
Now why would I say this?
In the voting thread, he voted Gabriel. However, if you look at one of his posts in the past,
Imo, I think it's inevitable to lynch inactives. I'm an amateur at this but in my last game I was mafia and I tried to stay low. So yeah, from my perspective inactives might be mafia, worse case scenario they're just bored pikachus. So not much harm there. Although if we have solid leads and clues on active players, I believe that should take priority.
So he has voted an active player, Gabriel. Obviously, I'd like for him to explain his vote and why he thinks there are SOLID LEADS and CLUES on Gabriel.
I'm having problems understanding the reasonings of people who voted Gabriel.
Eiii, i have a bone to pick with you too. I'd like to know why you posts 2 contentless posts
I might be missing something, but how is this godfather any less powerful than the salem godfather?
Oh, is it just that this godfather doesn't have 1 KP all on his own?
And then you jump on the Gabriel bandwagon with no reasoning at all? Please explain.
Brocket, you post this
My reasoning for my vote is that Gabe wasn't getting along with the rest of the people on day 1 and if I had to vote then he'd be my 1st choice. Who needs in fighting right? (Except the mafia)
Infund so far hasn't earned any of the votes against him as far as our discussion has progressed. And no one as of yet has made a big impression on me.
And yes I'm super noob as you can tell by my post count. I really don't know anything.
So basically your reasoning is that he is mafia because he is not getting along with people. However, I feel that debate (although it is extremely hot debate) is needed for town to be able to analyze anything; Simply following the words of a single individual leads to incorrect bandwagons and town tears. I'm just wondering if you could clarify your position.
For town to win, we need town to back up their votes on people, rather than just blind bandwagoning. This way, we have some content to analyze, so we don't lynch a bandwagoner just to find him to be a stupid townie.
I'm not defending Gabriel in any way. I just find people's reaction to ward Gabriel to be analysis-worthy.
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How much longer do we have to vote? Around a day, right?
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I guess what we are waiting on now is for Gabriel to defend himself. There is still a day for him to prove himself to be a nice, calm townie.
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On December 11 2010 09:39 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 08:30 KtheZ wrote:Eiii, i have a bone to pick with you too. I'd like to know why you posts 2 contentless posts I might be missing something, but how is this godfather any less powerful than the salem godfather? Oh, is it just that this godfather doesn't have 1 KP all on his own? And then you jump on the Gabriel bandwagon with no reasoning at all? Please explain. I asked two questions because I was curious about differences between this game and salem mafia I might not have been aware of, and if you actually look about two pages back you'll see a post by me explaining why gabe has my vote for the time being -_-
My bad. How the hell did I not notice that post lol
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On December 11 2010 23:36 LSB wrote:Useful information People who haven't posted yet. (To Be Modkilled) + Show Spoiler +2. BrownBear
6. DarthThienAn
7. StormTemplar
12. ghrur
Gabriel Lynch (I apologize if you are not included on this Supports+ Show Spoiler +Kenpachi: OMGYS
jcarlsoniv
Meapak_Ziphh: Sheepish
Brocket: Sheep. Switched to being against the lynch
Eiii
dinmsab Gabriel
Insanious
LSB
Amber[LighT]
Oceanic
seRapH
Infundibulum
KtheZ
tree.hugger Absent + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
4. GGQ
6. DarthThienAn
7. Stormtemplar
9. dinmsab
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
27. Hesmyrr
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks I'm supporting the Kenpachi lynch because I don't like how quickly Jcarlsoniv turned it into a bandwagon.
It seems im both opposing AND absent. :/
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The bandwagon on kenpachi because of his "lack of contribution" disturbs me. He was medic in salem, and he played in a manner similar to this way.
I think zeks is mafia, mainly because I agree with gabe's analysis of him. I'll vote him for now.
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On December 17 2010 03:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 10:30 LSB wrote:All right. If Zeks flips green. Take note of this. If he's red, I will eat my words. The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] +On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.
On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend. On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Are you claiming DT or medic? no i am not Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed. Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler +A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to.
Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks.This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler +If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 11:46 LSB wrote:ShoCkey Previous Game Analysis Caller's Red Army Mafyia: Role: Medic Posted 99% one liners. Got angry and warned for flaming. Mafia XVI: Role: Townie: Takes positions, especially on Xelin. Defends himself mostly civily. Mostly one-liners. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 08:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 08:34 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right? Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/ Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._. Hmm... well welcome!!! Glad to have at least one more active member of our little town.... it seems the mafias have put some poison gas or some sort of gas which is why everyone is silent or sleeping right now.... o.O Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia. Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:On January 20 2010 12:52 no_re wrote:Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry. My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote: With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me. I think that analysis overall was extremely good, from reading up on some earlier Mafia games it seems that the host often likes the come up with elaborate or entertaining deaths. This in itself makes the " With a quick attack " stand out far more in my eyes, and somewhat exonerates the other as possibly just being a whimsical choice by the host. In all honesty this by itself is enough to make me fairly suspicious and Quickstriker I am still more suspicious when I see some of what you have typed. In particular your reaction to no_re's non-serious accusation where you are essentially saying we must "hold off any action untill the DT comes forward and leads us through the valley of death and into the promised land" - I paraphrased, This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage. p.s. am i doin it rite? I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed. On January 21 2010 09:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Hmm, I don't like this whole vote for me thing. Seems fishy, and especially the way he words it. He tries to win you over, so he can make sure he wins. I like his style no lie. But I won't be able to vote for him. Laaan, sorry, but my vote remains the same.
All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea. On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok, so I see some of you think I should be lynched. Well for one, I'm typing off my phone, so bare with me. Second, I voted for quikstriker, cause he seems like the right canidate for the mayor position out of everyone else here who is trying to be mayor. I rather choose some one who didn't impose themselves into trying to be mayor. Brings me to my reason as to why I would want xelin lynched.
Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way.
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. And one more that Shockeyy left out TL Mafia XVIII: Role: Mafia: Shockey was under heavy clue suspicion. He responded mostly civilly. However, most noticeably Shockey has essentially only one post that isn't either spam or defending himself (included below). Shockey shys away from taking any positions, besides defending himself. + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2010 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I think it's pretty clear right now that the town should not be voting to kill Scamp. He is right in that at best all L has is some shaky clue analysis. In fact, most of L's clue analysis is directed at other players (Chez, johnny, me) and not at Scamp, go read his posts if you don't believe me.
Something I've noticed is that Scamp has actually taken the time to legitimately defend himself. I remember when we were going to lynch Mystlord, he hardly said a thing and most of what he said only incriminated him more. Right now the only thing incriminating Scamp is L. Also when QS was going to be lynched he came up with the stupid modkill plan that had no way working. Scamp hasn't tried to pull anything of that caliber. It seems to me he's arguing as a townsperson.
To the town, L has already convinced you to lynch our Mayor/medic. What's going to happen when Scamp turns up innocent? We'll be in a bigger mindfuck than we are right now. tree.hugger is clearly the safer vote right now. It's no doubt that if Scamp does not get lynched, L will continue to incriminate him. If Scamp is indeed mafia, he's going to slip up somewhere. Do you agree? Or any objections?
I think this kind of reasoning, LSB, that you're using against Shockeyy is very similar to the previous "analyses"posted that led to our lynches of zeks and kenpachi.
I feel that your specific post dictated to FOSing Shockeyy if zeks flipped green was quite well made, considering that you would not be sure if zeks was actually green.
So I'd like to bring town's attention to the voting trends of the first day.
Now that we know both kenpachi and zeks were green, we can predict the voting pattern of the mafia on the first day.
It makes sense for the mafia to not switch votes at the last second, mainly because they know both lynch candidates were town, and that switching votes would put the FoS on them.
I personally think that the mafia manipulated the voting so that there would be a close tie between the two candidates, thus FoSing people who change the vote. Basically, I think the most mafia are within the 3rd to 7th votes on the lynchees day one. (A better method would be to look at the vote timestamps)
The reason I brought this up is because this evidence may be used in the pursuit of future mafia candidates. Correct me if you see and logical fallacy in this.
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On December 17 2010 08:20 LSB wrote:The key difference is the post history. Kenpachi and Zeks were consitant. Just a small 5 minute foray into their post history would allow you to see this result. However, as town Shockeyy at least makes the effort to take positions and do things other than viciously defend himself. Shockeyy's mafia play fits his current play now. Show nested quote +Now that we know both kenpachi and zeks were green, we can predict the voting pattern of the mafia on the first day.
It makes sense for the mafia to not switch votes at the last second, mainly because they know both lynch candidates were town, and that switching votes would put the FoS on them.
I personally think that the mafia manipulated the voting so that there would be a close tie between the two candidates, thus FoSing people who change the vote. Basically, I think the most mafia are within the 3rd to 7th votes on the lynchees day one. (A better method would be to look at the vote timestamps)
The reason I brought this up is because this evidence may be DCLXVI, Eiii were the only ones who voted both zeks and Kenpachi. However this isn't a big issue since Day 2, it was pretty clear that all the sheep were voting for zeks. We probably cannot receive any meaningful voting analysis day 2
I'm not qualified to comment on shockeyy's mafia play, since I have not played with him before, so I'll concede that to you.
I agree day 2 voting is meaningless in terms of analysis, but I feel day 1 will prove to be quite fruitful for town.
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On December 18 2010 01:06 LSB wrote:
I want everyone to take a clear position.
Do you support D3 or not?
I support him because we have a better chance of winning by working with him.
I support D3. I will also vote Shockeyy, mainly because I think he could be mafia, looking at posts throughout the topic.
However, if Shockeyy flips town, I will DEFINITELY FoS LSB.
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On December 21 2010 10:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Day isn't over for a few hours. Please vote if you haven't already.
Oh wow LSB, way to scare me.
I think I'll vote DCLXVII and brownbear.
I agree with the comments of other people that brownbear has been doing some scummy play.
I'm not exactly sure why people are voting the person who claimed to be detective. We have conflicting roleclaims from both node and DCL, but I think voting for the hatter is safer than voting for the DT (Who in fact has had no person counterclaim).
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