EPTOn November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am following Qatol's ban list.
I am following Qatol's ban list.
I'm sitting out of one right now - would it count?
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orgolove
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I'm sitting out of one right now - would it count? | ||
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I think the spirit means that that person will get a different role if killed or lynched. I don't know what the child specifies. | ||
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##Vote Fishball | ||
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I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote. There are 2 possibilities: 1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely) 2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role. So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default: ##Vote: Coagulation But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect. *Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. | ||
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orgo votes fishball annul votes fishball Coag votes fishball Fish votes RoL ghrur votes RoL SR votes coag jcarl votes coag RoL votes aidnai Not voted: barundar Aidnai deconduo pandain kingjames01 Node SouthRawrea Glasse/Aeres My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball. Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. | ||
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On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote: I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_- | ||
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Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. | ||
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote: I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove Er. Do you guys really think I'm making up the vote nullifier? If I was making it up, why would I copy a function that's almost a direct copy of Insane Mafia? Come now... There's a reason the first day is unlimited duration. It's to give time for these kinds of roles to be used effectively. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM? The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:42 kingjames01 wrote: Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now? Again. Why the >hell< would I lie about something that could be so easily disproven? As you've noticed right now, DrH has been consistently providing role hints throughout the day. A red wouldn't pull such an attention onto himself by claiming something that could easily be disregarded before even the first day ended. If you don't notice a vote nullifier in the list, it just means DrH has hidden the clue well enough to confuse you. | ||
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The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. | ||
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##Vote: Fishball | ||
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Anyway: 1) my first vote against fishball was nullified 2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. | ||
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On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote: Lets get down to business [##]Vote Fishball On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote: Why would you vote for me? Wait, why would you not vote for me? [##]Vote Fishball On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote: Haha, nevermind  Just checked I can't vote for myself. So, [##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view. Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role. | ||
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On December 03 2010 17:52 orgolove wrote: I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me. Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view. Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role. Then his first post: On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. ... I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players) Oh, and then he gives us this: On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote: Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not?If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game? On December 04 2010 00:24 Fishball wrote: All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran. Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me. I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated. Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion: On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote: Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies. So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment) Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role) If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT. If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation. Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows. Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above. It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now. On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote: Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible. Here's a hint: On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's. There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying. On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying?No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk." If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive. | ||
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And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite [/QUOTE] On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote: Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. | ||
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On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote: three options: 1. he is mafia. good lynch 2. he is spirit. good lynch. 3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3? ##vote fishball If fishball turns out mafia in the end... | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote: orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote. i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). That's a possibility. But it can't be a coincidence that almost all meaningful actions in terms of kills/votes the past few days come back to fishball. | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:28 Barundar wrote: Orgo came back after taking a mafia hit. He is clear. Fishball basicly confirmed himself as mafia here. His claim into a new clue only pushes me further. #vote Fishball For the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them. Oh wow, how the hell did I miss this? nice OMGUSUK there. | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote: 2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Talking about this. | ||
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I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside. | ||
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On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: Here....let me make things a little more funny. Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. | ||
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Fishball was so scummy. How else were we supposed to act? You know DrH, the priest role idea was pretty good if you didn't also put in a blue role that was specifically limited to a hammer vote. But the way you modeled it, it was almost inevitable 2 greens would die. | ||
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So our night vig was also dumb and killed one of our two trackers? | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote? Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~ Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo Executioner Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions. Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) SouthRawrea, ? Psychic, Hypnotist Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) ? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments. A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove Zombie - Veteran role Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation? Preacher? 3. ghrur 5. Orgolove veteran 6. Aidnai 8. jcarlsoniv 10. deconduo 12. kingjames01 15. Aeres Two of the remaining are pharmacologists. We also have a insane detective, four roles that don't want to be the hammer vote, and a disease carrier (probably mafia). | ||
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##Vote Aeres | ||
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So why do you suspect Aidinai? | ||
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1. how we had 3 deaths in one night 2. how there were votes that had to be changed due to corruption Would it be easy to say, then that the vote changer isn't a red role? | ||
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That would also account for the seemingly weird role count right now. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out. What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up. He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss... I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P Well, we know that there were 2 detectives, one sane and one insane. The other detective was killed - there is one detective left in the game. None else has claimed, and everything kingjames has said matches based on his claim as an insane detective. And the role count can be explained by the existence of a red pharmacist. If the pill that the guy claimed to have before dying in day 3 was from the red pharmacist, then he must've taken the pill and died because of it - leading to 3 deaths - 1 mafia hit, 1 vigiliant miss, 1 death pill. Btw, kingjames, let me get this straight. You got a pill last night, and took it immediately? | ||
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On December 07 2010 09:14 kingjames01 wrote: Also, I received a pill last night which I took. Thanks to the pharmacist who kept me alive. =) ##unvote Aeres At this point, the townie pharamcist can roleclaim. Even if he dies, we can get both mafia using today's lynch and tomorrow's lynch. 1. Did you really send a pill to kingjames01? 2. Can your pill be taken immediately after you send it to him? I say this because I received a pill last night, but I am prohibited from taking it until the next day. I think Kingjames just made up the part about receiving a pill. | ||
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Was yours in pill form? ghur, tell me, in what form is your medicine? | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:30 ghrur wrote: My medicine is a bottle of pills. That's about as specific as my role PM gets. Ah, close enough. the exact form is a bottle of medicine. I'm assuming ppl just equate medicine with pills. Ok, considering how fast you have responded, you two couldn't have coordinated all this so fast. I'm inclined to trust you. ## Vote: Aeres | ||
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Didn't think you both were red... Barring a freak killing, our only chance is the target surviving a lynch. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Conclusion: Pharmacist is a shittier version of medic. The original version was that anyone who visits them is protected, but that is also really OP. Priest/Executioner are both good roles but not if used in the same game. Unsure about ghost because jcarls had no idea how to use his role. Using the Whisperer to fake DT is a bad idea(he used his actions to confirm two mafia players as town). The best thing to do IMO is to send messages to players you suspect to gauge their reactions and see if they will claim it in the thread or not. Radar Tech is really overpowered, too bad Barundar claimed it and got killed for it. This game was setup for town to be extremely OP and mafia won anyway. GG Couldn't help it when we lost 5 blues in one day. -_- | ||
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