Might also give me more ideas on a potential game I might host.
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On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote: Lets get down to business [##]Vote Fishball Why would you vote for me? Wait, why would you not vote for me? [##]Vote Fishball | ||
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Just checked I can't vote for myself. So, [##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD | ||
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On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote: Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1. ##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all. | ||
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On December 01 2010 15:42 kingjames01 wrote: Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted. Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases. Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia. Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash. I know the difference between the two (unless you think others are retarded), and that is not my point. Sure, a host can do whatever he wants; That's why I said "I personally think". | ||
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##Unvote RebirthOfLeGenD ##Vote: annul | ||
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La la la la La~ | ||
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The world would be a better place. | ||
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You cannot stop the ball. I'll just roll over you. | ||
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On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote: Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? I have to admit I laughed at this one, lol. | ||
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Which means he has a different agenda. | ||
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NOOOooo... Hey, experimental game, change of ways for me to play the game. Seeing how everyone reacts and how they read "my play" is an interesting study. | ||
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I love many things. I'm a merry person. | ||
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My picks for the moment! - annul - SouthRawrea - ????? | ||
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On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote: After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion". Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. | ||
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I asked for Rambo with 10 KP and immune to everything, but DH said that role was stupid. I died a little inside. | ||
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On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843 A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! | ||
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On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote: Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional? No, he is saying I'm crazy. | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote: No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue: Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? =) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:23 kingjames01 wrote: Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =) Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role. You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world. Can you direct me to the post where jcarlsoniv claimed? I only have brief moments of free time here and there. | ||
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On December 03 2010 03:03 Coagulation wrote: fishball i have no idea what your "experimental" play style is trying to achieve You don't need to. It's more for myself | ||
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Forth* After more people speak up, I want to bring up two things. | ||
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On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote: fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game. Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.) 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. | ||
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On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote: Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically. Anyway: 1) my first vote against fishball was nullified 2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. | ||
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On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote: TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors. So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment) Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role) If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT. If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation. Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows. Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above. It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote: What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia" Hes been flipped a veteran... Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me. I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:22 Coagulation wrote: TELL ME IF I HIT A MAFIA OR A TOWN WITH DT CHECK FUCK MAN WTF I WAS TYPING WHEN YOU POSTED FUCK WOMAN WTF. LOOK AT THE TIME STAMP, AND IM REPLYING ONE BY ONE IN ORDER!1111!!ONE Ahem, plus if you didn't get a clue, I said (Role) in the above post. I did not get the alignment of who you checked. | ||
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If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. It is quite obvious I don't know the alignment of said check. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:28 Barundar wrote: Guys chill This is a game for fun, and it just got interesting I'm chill, just look at my reply On December 04 2010 00:28 Coagulation wrote: well was it a TOWN role??? Depends on what you mean by Town role. This could really go one way or the other depending on the host, but judging from the setup, I would say its a Town role. Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:31 Coagulation wrote: you seem to be avoiding any kind of confirmation of the role or his townieness so im gonna assume it was one of our meds. Damn right I'm trying to avoid leaking too much to the public. I find it amusing you are pushing so hard for the result. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:42 LSB wrote: Guys, stop talking about who is the insane detective, take a look at the clues It's not just about who is sane/insane, as we don't know if this even applies. One of them can just be flat out lying. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote: Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking. Easily be faking? If nobody would like to come up and say they got a whisper too, then I'm telling the truth. Unless me and Coagulation are both Mafia and we're making a play. So you want me to announce who Coagulation checked, a nice target for the Mafia hmm? Same logic why I don't want to tell Coagulation what the results are, especially so when he kept pushing for it. By all means, he isn't confirmed. | ||
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On December 04 2010 01:18 Barundar wrote: Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT? I wish I could, I'll just have all us claim DT. How sure is pretty sure? Hey, I'm not even pointing fingers here. I'm just telling people not to neglect anything yet. | ||
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On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote: Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die? What? When did I say I cannot die? Or who said I cannot die? On December 04 2010 02:52 Barundar wrote: It doesn’t really matter. Seems like whether it’s scenario A or scenario B, I’m a sane alignment checker, and Coa’s roleclaim is true (albeit slightly useless). So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict. I'm surprised nobody has really been discussing this for the past few hours after I pointed it out. | ||
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On December 04 2010 02:58 orgolove wrote: My last post: (which Fishball still hasn't responded) Then his first post: Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players) Oh, and then he gives us this:Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not? And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game?All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran. Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion: And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible. Here's a hint: There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying. He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying? This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk." If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive. I give you four words. R-O-F-L. If you are Mafia, I'm not going to bother, but if you are town, refer to my previous post. I don't have time for merry-go-round rides. Hey, lynch me if you must, I'm not going anywhere. | ||
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No I can't read this. | ||
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On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote: I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies. And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote: [/QUOTE]Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. I check the thread periodically in between work, I'm in the office and the computer is right in front. It's not like I have to run 10 miles to reply. I do this every game. You played with me last game, you know my pattern. All of a sudden you're questioning this? Also, "a while" is a relevant thing. Right now you're trying so hard, its really funny from my perspective. Hmm, I wonder if Zombie is a Town Aligned role or not | ||
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On December 04 2010 03:07 Coagulation wrote: can you please release role of the person i checked. No one else knows who i checked so the information is safe. I'll have to reread a few pages in 45 mins -1 hour during lunch. Right now I'm skimming a lot of stuff, so I don't want to make any decisions based on any incomplete information on my part. | ||
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On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote: im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back. @ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. On December 04 2010 03:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go. ##vote Fishball @ jcarlsoniv - This cannot get more typical. Out of all reasons, you choose "you're not helping town, you have to die". We've seen this a million times, where Mafia tries to soft play and blend in with their vote, killing an innocent while wasting the Town's lynch. Also, you haven't even replied to the contradiction of your claim to mine at all. On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote: After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this. @ Aeres - Think of it. If I weren't in the interest of town, why would I reveal two pieces of crucial information? That I know who Coagulation checked and the role of said player, and pointing out jcarlsoniv's role is contradicting with mine? Why would I want to draw more myself further more into the middle of attention? If I die and flip Mafia, everything I say can be disregarded. Why would I want to put myself in such position and waste my own effort, and get myself killed in the process? Think about it. With that being said, keep your vote on me. On December 04 2010 01:32 Barundar wrote: Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case: Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye” Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher. It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day. @ Barundar - Coagulation is NOT the preacher. I am. I will not further reveal my role, but I'm 99.99% sure I am the preacher. I'll admit I'm guilty of not reading much of DH's posts since the game started, in fact, I haven't read much of the thread at all until Day 2 started, due to my little personal experiment (which worked), and slack. This is one of DH's comment: On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn Which means everyone so far was off with his clues regarding the Hammer. Now time for my turn. The Hammer is the person who voted last during a lynch, the person who activated the kill. This is what DH said: "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement. 1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't. 2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!) I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case. If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me. I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players. --- Here are my top suspects for now. 1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante. 2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Regarding the rest of the players, it's just quite hard and too many to get a read right now. Hell I haven't even been tracking the lurkers. Barundar/Coagulation - Now regarding the quote "Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies", we don't know if DH means sane/insane, or deliberately lying from the players. Let's assume Barundar and SR (who is dead) are the two men with a third eye, we still can't throw out the fact that we can't put Barundar in the clear just yet. If it is Barundar and Coagulation that has the third eye, same scenario applies. I'm not exactly pointing fingers at anyone here, but certain players can't just ignore certain facts and make a conclusion. deconduo - I don't know. He claims he is the Axe and have ended the Day early. Everything makes sense, but something just doesn't add up with the Hammer thing. I'll have to think about it more later. | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote: jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch? What does he gain when he dies? Can you quote that for me please? Sorry I'm all over the place right now. Also, just to say it upfront I won't reveal my ability regardless. | ||
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On December 04 2010 03:10 Coagulation wrote: remember i said my role relies on my ability to run a town circle. all your doing is shitting all over my efforts. Have some patience ok? You checked annul. | ||
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kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player) The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues. This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role. | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: Fishball, what do you get when you die? What happens? The difference between our claims is that I have told everyone what happens to me, but you have kept all information from the thread. If you truly are town, stop being worthless. Why would I want to let the Mafia know? You're worthless. On December 04 2010 05:42 kingjames01 wrote: This is the list of clues. It doesn't include any of the updated information about who has claimed. It should help in this discussion though. I think the Spirit and the Preacher are separate roles. What does your Role PM indicate? Why did I claim the spirit? Because an ability is activated after the lynch. Why did I claim preacher? Because my role name is Priest, I can give you that, and I fear the hammer. The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line: "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " If what jcarlsoniv claims his abilities are true, the spirit would make more sense on his role than mine, but we can only find out after he is lynched. Still, this was not a random, unthoughtful claim from me. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:00 Coagulation wrote: Hes the town lover. When we lynch him he will be converted to mafia iv been trying to say this forever. of course he wont admit it. Excuse my language, but did you not fucking read? On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote: @ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. The moment I remain alive after a lynch, everyone in the world would know I'm lying. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:12 Coagulation wrote: how the fuck are you gonna "die" AND "activate your powers" at same time. jesus christ you are doing a piss poor job of making a LICK OF SENSE this game. You suck. Think, Mad Hatter. No, I'm not a Mad Hatter. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote: Now, onto Fishball Mafia has been helping out Fishball -2 Vote Corruptions -1 Hit on Orgolove. This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me. Fishballs Role -Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT. -Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch. -An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch. One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch The Hammer Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs. If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great. The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role. Final Verdict: Fishball is probably not lying about his role. Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town. What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote. As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not. And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote: So wich is it You get lynched and you DIE? Or you get lynched and your power activates? How about a combination of everything? Just like the Mad Hatter example I said? I get lynched, I die, my upon being lynch ability activates. OHH MAFIA IS SOOO HARD. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:26 kingjames01 wrote: Hey, hey... Fishnut isn't appropriate... If you're going to be insulting, you have to do it with style, flair, class and subtlety... Anyway, if you feel so strongly against Fishball, why did you remove your vote? That doesn't really make sense. This is the current vote tally: Fishball (6) orgolove, ~OpZ~ (1) Fishball, only 2 more votes and this whole issue is settled. You're going to get lynched if you don't try harder to save yourself. Read my previous posts. I'm not trying to save myself. I don't care if I get lynched at all. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote: 1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early. Fuck me. Do you guys even read the OP? "The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer"." | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:48 Barundar wrote: Funny. + Show Spoiler + Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement. 1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't. 2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!) I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case. If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me. I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players. So what exactly is your question? Are you just repeating what I said? Anyone could be the Hammer. The last vote to get a person lynched, which ends the day, is the Hammer. What??? | ||
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I only speculated and pointed out that 4 players can or cannot be the Hammer. I can't be the Hammer. Anyone who ends the day is the Hammer. How confusing is this? On December 04 2010 06:52 Barundar wrote: If you want to live you need to reveal more of your role. Is this a threat? lol, be my guest. | ||
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On December 04 2010 07:10 Barundar wrote: Sorry, I'm acting like an idiot - should really go get drunk instead. Here is the post I was refering to regarding red hammer: I made up my mind when you claimed Orgo to be scum. Claim =/= Suspect. I can only Claim what I know for sure. You really need to get your wording straight. | ||
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On December 04 2010 07:44 kingjames01 wrote: Actually, it's only 7. This is the current vote tally: Fishball (7) orgolove, ~OpZ~ (1) I think we're just waiting for someone to condemn Fishball now. If you have more things to say in his defense, you better hurry. I don't need any condemnation, as my death would tell a lot. The points I want to emphasize is, the 4 players related to the hammer (3 after my death). I've talked to DH, and he said this game was based on experiments for vote manipulation. So yeah, watch the voting patterns. Bonus note, my death doesn't exactly mean a good thing for Town. It's really a flip of a coin. You'll all see, soon enough | ||
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On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote: I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? What exactly do you mean by "effort"? An effort to avoid the lynch? Nope. An effort to fill in the Town with what I've got, as much as I can? Yup. On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote: Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch. Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die! I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. On December 04 2010 08:56 orgolove wrote: Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_- I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside. So I quoted your post, but I've come to a conclusion that I will just be giving the same reply as the previous two. I'll comment on this after the game ends... if you are Town. On December 04 2010 09:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me. Lynch him, he is OverPowerZ. On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote: well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. Dude, are you nuts? If I lie and survive this lynch, all I'm doing is getting a guaranteed 2nd death. If what you say is true, the most harm I have done, is wasting a lynch for Town. My ass, you bailed from the game. | ||
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On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime. OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. I have a hard time picturing this. It's like Idra being humble, well mannered and teddy bear like. | ||
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On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote: Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. Dude, you're so lol. | ||
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On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote: No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =( lol, that was my first PM to DH when I got my role. On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote: And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning. Depends how you look at it really. Hey, I didn't lie about anything, did I? I've said what needs to be said. I'll leave the rest for post game. GT5 here I come | ||
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I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own. Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion... There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point. Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason. Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that. 1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public. 2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched. On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote: I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else. As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ... On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote: One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid. Which means he has a different agenda. After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread. I did had a good chuckle when I saw this: On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote: Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. Then immediately after: On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime. OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason. I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai. Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter. - Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies - A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer I've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here. Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new. 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On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote: Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe. Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent. Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving. Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul. Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol... As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue. | ||
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On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote: Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =) I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =) Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot. Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding... To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*). Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think? | ||
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On December 07 2010 17:08 Ace wrote: be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE! Oh, this is still the core of my sentiment. It has never really changed. Just give me Rambo... | ||
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