Experimental Mini Mafia

On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business

[##]Vote Fishball

On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.

##Vote Fishball

On December 01 2010 15:42 kingjames01 wrote:




Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted.

Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases.

Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia.

Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash.

On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote:


Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation?

On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol.

On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843

A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted:

Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then?

If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate.

In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you?

On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote:

Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional?

On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:

Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?

=)

On December 03 2010 02:23 kingjames01 wrote:


Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =)

Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role.

You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world.

On December 03 2010 03:03 Coagulation wrote:
fishball i have no idea what your "experimental" play style is trying to achieve

On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.

On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.

Anyway:

1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night


so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.

On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors.

On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote:



What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia"
Hes been flipped a veteran...

On December 04 2010 00:22 Coagulation wrote:
TELL ME IF I HIT A MAFIA OR A TOWN WITH DT CHECK
FUCK MAN WTF

If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one.

On December 04 2010 00:28 Barundar wrote:
Guys chill

This is a game for fun, and it just got interesting

On December 04 2010 00:28 Coagulation wrote:
well was it a TOWN role???

On December 04 2010 00:31 Coagulation wrote:
you seem to be avoiding any kind of confirmation of the role or his townieness so im gonna assume it was one of our meds.

On December 04 2010 00:42 LSB wrote:
Guys, stop talking about who is the insane detective, take a look at the clues

On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.

On December 04 2010 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT?

On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?

On December 04 2010 02:52 Barundar wrote:
It doesn’t really matter. Seems like whether it’s scenario A or scenario B, I’m a sane alignment checker, and Coa’s roleclaim is true (albeit slightly useless).

So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict.

On December 04 2010 02:58 orgolove wrote:
My last post: (which Fishball still hasn't responded)

Then his first post:

Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players)

Oh, and then he gives us this:Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not?

And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game?All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran.

Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion:

And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible.


Here's a hint:


There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying.
He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying?



This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk."


If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive.

On December 04 2010 03:06 Coagulation wrote:
fishball can you read this

On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote:
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.

And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite

On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.

On December 04 2010 03:07 Coagulation wrote:
can you please release role of the person i checked.

No one else knows who i checked so the information is safe.

On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.

On December 04 2010 03:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go.

##vote Fishball

On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote:
After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.

On December 04 2010 01:32 Barundar wrote:
Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case:

Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye”

Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher.

It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day.

On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn

On December 04 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote:
jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch?

On December 04 2010 03:10 Coagulation wrote:
remember i said my role relies on my ability to run a town circle.
all your doing is shitting all over my efforts.

On December 04 2010 05:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Fishball, what do you get when you die? What happens? The difference between our claims is that I have told everyone what happens to me, but you have kept all information from the thread. If you truly are town, stop being worthless.

On December 04 2010 05:42 kingjames01 wrote:


This is the list of clues. It doesn't include any of the updated information about who has claimed. It should help in this discussion though. I think the Spirit and the Preacher are separate roles. What does your Role PM indicate?

On December 04 2010 06:00 Coagulation wrote:
Hes the town lover.
When we lynch him he will be converted to mafia

iv been trying to say this forever.

of course he wont admit it.

On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote:
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again.

On December 04 2010 06:12 Coagulation wrote:








how the fuck are you gonna "die" AND "activate your powers" at same time.
jesus christ you are doing a piss poor job of making a LICK OF SENSE this game.

On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:
Now, onto Fishball

Mafia has been helping out Fishball
-2 Vote Corruptions
-1 Hit on Orgolove.

This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me.

Fishballs Role
-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT.
-Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch.
-An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch.
One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch

The Hammer

Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs.
If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great.
The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role.

Final Verdict:
Fishball is probably not lying about his role.
Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town.

On December 04 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:


So wich is it
You get lynched and you DIE?
Or you get lynched and your power activates?

On December 04 2010 06:26 kingjames01 wrote:


Hey, hey... Fishnut isn't appropriate... If you're going to be insulting, you have to do it with style, flair, class and subtlety...

Anyway, if you feel so strongly against Fishball, why did you remove your vote? That doesn't really make sense.

This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (6)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai

~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres

Fishball, only 2 more votes and this whole issue is settled. You're going to get lynched if you don't try harder to save yourself.

On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:
1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early.

On December 04 2010 06:48 Barundar wrote:

Funny. + Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2010 06:52 Barundar wrote:
If you want to live you need to reveal more of your role.

On December 04 2010 07:10 Barundar wrote:
Sorry, I'm acting like an idiot - should really go get drunk instead. Here is the post I was refering to regarding red hammer:

I made up my mind when you claimed Orgo to be scum.

On December 04 2010 07:44 kingjames01 wrote:


Actually, it's only 7.

This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (7)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai, Barundar

~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres

I think we're just waiting for someone to condemn Fishball now. If you have more things to say in his defense, you better hurry.

On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though?

On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch.

Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!

On December 04 2010 08:56 orgolove wrote:
Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_-


I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside.

On December 04 2010 09:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me.

On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count

now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him.

On December 04 2010 09:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Karma~

On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.

OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.

On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:


Day action?
1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it?
2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town.

Sounds like a soft claim red here.

On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =(

On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning.

On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this.

On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote:
One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda.

On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:


Day action?
1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it?
2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town.

Sounds like a soft claim red here.

On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.

OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.

On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.

Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.

Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.

Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.

On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)

I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)

On December 07 2010 17:08 Ace wrote:


be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE!