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I’ve read this + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote Aidnai PS: Pandain time to post :-) | ||
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The role on mafia wiki that most resembles a beggar: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hobo | ||
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On Aidnai, this might be mafia slip-ups: On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote: How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote: Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail. Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- Notice how he make himself more guilty than the mistake entitles, and drop a “I’m town” hint. | ||
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Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. was posted at the same time and could be related. Say 1 person "fell in love", and decided to fall in love with person 2, who was our Pharmocology student. By choosing person 2, person love gained his power of pharmocology. | ||
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On December 01 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote: This? This is why your lynching him? Because he made a mistake? You're reading at stuff that isn't there, and saying he hopes he doesn't get killed again is not scummy at all. That is not the post where I posted my reason and gave my vote, this one is: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote: So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_< I’ve read this + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote Aidnai PS: Pandain time to post :-) I do respect you as a more experienced player, but I posted my reasons for voting for Aidnai, and I haven’t seen any counter arguments, not even a defence from Aidnai. Feels like you are just trying to diminish my opinion. | ||
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I feel really sorry for Glasse though, I think he has been unlucky with being the target a bit too often  . | ||
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Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself. However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response. Thirdly the only other person I could be convinced to vote for is Ghrur. His attacks on Deconduo seems unreasonable to me. I too got annoyed at Deconduo’s vote tally posting, and called him out on it, but he responded convincingly straight away. However Ghrur is not the target that is being launched as a second candidate. This is also a reason for me to stick to Aidnai. Lastly I’m really sorry for voting for you Aidnai, I know how frustrating it is to get thrown out early, and I honestly wouldn’t have voted for you if RoL hadn’t spotted that post. | ||
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first. also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer" its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer. also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously Last vote is Deconduo (Glasse isn't in the game >_<) | ||
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Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself. However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response. Node: + Show Spoiler + I am very, very confident that Fishball isn't mafia. I'd be willing to bet my life in this game that orgolove's vote being removed is a sign that mafia is trying to frame him. As for not moving his vote off RoL, come on, surely everyone realizes there's no way scum would waste a vote like that in such a small majority lynch game -- it's pretty clear RoL/~OpZ~ isn't going to get lynched. I'm thinking that mafia is just doing their damndest to bandwagon an inactive townie. I intend to follow through with RoL's plan, and am also willing to offer myself up for a lynch in the event that this doesn't work out. ##Vote aidnai Jcarlsoniv: + Show Spoiler + RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells. ## Unvote Coag ## Vote Aidnai Ghrur: + Show Spoiler + Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^ Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate. ##Vote Aidnai In all honestly I don’t like that reason either. RoL: + Show Spoiler + Really, how can you miss this post? You even commented on it. Aeres: + Show Spoiler + RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative. ##Vote Aidnai I find it suspicious that you can’t fail to read any of these posts by yourself, while you are completely certain of Aidnai. | ||
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Fishballs posts are pretty spammy and random, and SouthRawrea is a total goner, so they are both valuable targets. If town can’t decide on anything I could vote for them, but will you please have a look at RoL’s analyse of Aidnai’s posts first? Bedtime. | ||
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On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote: From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? I was the only one who stuck with Aidnai, and kept arguing for him after RoL left. Makes me an obvious target, like in Salem mafia. Also I claim detective (of a sort). I'm dissapointed you didn | ||
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Other detective is welcome to check me ofc, if I get sniped he might get a read on the attacker  | ||
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Decon, could you explain why you decided to execute SR as soon as you had the chance, and not Aidnai? You kept your hand over him. Aidnai defended Decon, so there is a possible link. | ||
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A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:43 aidnai wrote: Barundar, dude, you're barking up the wrong tree here. RoL was pressuring me based on some agenda and not actual hard evidence. The kind of 'scumtell' he pointed out is notoriously unreliable. Read my posts (there's not all that many of them) without assuming that I'm mafia, you'll see I'm actually quite pro-town. I tell town not to spam, I don't spam. I say we need analysis, i do analysis. I believe I have adequately defended myself, let's move on shall we? Btw, why are we checking your sanity night one? do you think you'll survive night 2 to tell us anything? We'll find out if you're crazy when you die. You should do something useful every night you manage to stay alive. hmm... I don't know what to say about the hammer thing. I'm not the evil that post referred to, I can roleclaim if I have to. But I will at least wait til daybreak. :p btw, Deconduo never said he had to vote if there were 7 votes, he said he could only vote if there were already seven votes. Your first posts still comes across as the emptiest posts that tries to be useful. As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student | ||
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On December 03 2010 13:32 LSB wrote: Coag, Barudar, can you give me little seemingly unimportant details about your role? Like how do you go about doing things? Do you follow someone? Do you have special glasses? Do yo go through someones stuff and look for things? I have a radar gun.... | ||
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Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night. | ||
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This quote is significant because it is the only post i was able to find in which Fishball offered an idea that was relevant to the game. Unfortunately, his idea is that deconduo's axe role could be red, which would OBVIOUSLY be OP for mafia...basically, they would decide the lynch every other day. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Executioner The Executioner may be either town or mafia, but is traditionally a mafia role. Fishball does look like the best lynch candidate though. | ||
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On December 03 2010 13:32 LSB wrote: Coag, Barudar, can you give me little seemingly unimportant details about your role? Like how do you go about doing things? Do you follow someone? Do you have special glasses? Do yo go through someones stuff and look for things? Coa you never responded to this, mind doing it now? | ||
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No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. Oh no, not another one... 1. So what is the result and the person? Coag will be able to confirm? 2. Would like to hear his response to this. | ||
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This is a game for fun, and it just got interesting | ||
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This is the reason I have been poking Coa all day. He has responded perfect to my questions, so I really can’t see him being mafia. My best guess therefore is that coag is the preacher, and not the DT. My arguments for coag being preacher is: 1) Voice from the heavens in his roleclaim. 2) A psychic getting the alignment is more likely to be my counterpart, than someone who checks for roles. 3) How can you lie with a role detector? (a question which Fishball also asked) What do you think of this Coa? Could you be the preacher? | ||
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Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me. Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear. | ||
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This is a good setup for discussion. One issue is what hint does the Psychic fit? My best guess based on the clues available would be the third eye. This is the reason I have been poking Coa all day. He has responded perfect to my questions, so I really can’t see him being mafia. My best guess therefore is that coag is the preacher, and not the DT. My arguments for coag being preacher is: 1) Voice from the heavens in his roleclaim. 2) A psychic getting the alignment is more likely to be my counterpart, than someone who checks for roles. 3) How can you lie with a role detector? (a question which Fishball also asked) What do you think of this Coa? Could you be the preacher? | ||
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I would really like if someone else wants to claim DT however, to step forward now. | ||
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On December 04 2010 01:23 Fishball wrote: I wish I could, I'll just have all us claim DT. How sure is pretty sure? Hey, I'm not even pointing fingers here. I'm just telling people not to neglect anything yet. Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case: Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye” Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher. It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:54 Barundar wrote: No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me. Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear. My best guess is the speeder refer to the busdriver role, but really not sure. | ||
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So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict. | ||
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Fishball: Orgolove, Kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv | ||
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Since I now have zero faith in my scumhunting however, I will wait with placing my vote for a bit longer. | ||
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Here are my top suspects for now. 1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante. 2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Orgo came back after taking a mafia hit. He is clear. Fishball basicly confirmed himself as mafia here. His claim into a new clue only pushes me further. #vote Fishball For the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them. | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:28 Barundar wrote: For the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them. I retract this. Node isn't cleared. | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:20 Fishball wrote: Have some patience ok? You checked annul. Is this correct Coag? #unvote | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:16 Fishball wrote: What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote. As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not. And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead. 1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early. 2. Your argument buys into his guesses on blue roles. DrH's clues have notoriusly been hard to read, and are way too easy to hide behind. Fishnut has made absolutely no contribution in the thread, has been hiding information, and has overall just been dragging the town down. We can't rely on guesses against that. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:32 Fishball wrote: Fuck me. Do you guys even read the OP? "The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer"." Funny. + Show Spoiler + Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement. 1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't. 2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!) I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case. If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me. I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players | ||
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#vote Fishball If you want to live you need to reveal more of your role. | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote: I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. I made up my mind when you claimed Orgo to be scum. | ||
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Also these 2 comments in combination made me feel really bad about putting pressure on Aidnai alone, considering I also got knocked out early in Salem: On December 01 2010 08:25 LSB wrote:  + Show Spoiler + I don't know anything about the game, but what's up with the kill the new kid trend? P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- Very well played KJ. Was that like the 4th DT claim in the game? | ||
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