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On December 13 2010 15:02 Airbag wrote:
Voting out Aidnai instead of LSB? That makes me sad. If we don't lynch him tomorrow then I guess TL towns are really as easy to manipulate and make like sheep as people say
after the night i guess we will know more but LSB is getting away with some very obvious scum play and if town lets him get away with it i will be very frustrated
Nobody said LSB isn't scummy. He is, but that's just the point. We're not fearing that he's town/blue and we're lynching him, we're fearing that he's village idiot or something in those lines (mafia traitor, who knows), and that's why he shouldn't die during the first night.
I'm ok with lynching him day 2 if nothing better comes along, but be aware of alternate win conditions.
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I'm thinking that it's some sort of "radio service", and we will find out about certain actions or who knows what. It doesn't sound like nothing useful yet though.
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On December 14 2010 15:31 LunarDestiny wrote:
I DO NOT THINK THAT LYNCHING ORGOLOVE A IS GOOD CHOICE.
Look, LSB claims that both orgolove and LSB both contribute to mafia's KP
LSB, under huge danger of being lynched, role claimed and also SHITS happened.
Orgolove is being lynch because LSB claims he is mafia.
If we lynch LSB: Mafia's KP will be reduce and we will find out if he is telling the truth.
-If LSB is telling the truth, we lynch Orgolove tomorrow (result:2 mafia lynched)
-If LSB is lying (result: 1 mafia lynched, tomorrow's lynch unused)
This most makes most sense out of ALL that was posted in the last 12 hours.
I was going to post this exact same thing.
This whole move of LSB REEKS of what Pandain did in Insane mafia.
I would ask Pandain: Who would YOU vote for in this case? 
LSB is clear scum. If he's a traitor or not, it doesn't really matter. Lynching him will tell us. And if we know 100% sure that he's traitor, then we get rid of orgolove, and possibly a few others.
Whatever town does, just don't let LSB slip away like Pandain did.
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7PM KST or EST?
Sorry, but neither of those are really familiar.
You can use the the "time" tag to make it easy for everyone.
Like say:
Day will end at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Or say "In 6 hours". Or give me CET/GMT. :D
It's just that KST and EST are confusing to most Europeans, sorry.
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Ok I'm done.
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On December 15 2010 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 04:27 CubEdIn wrote:
7PM KST or EST?
Sorry, but neither of those are really familiar.
You can use the the "time" tag to make it easy for everyone.
Like say:
Day will end at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Or say "In 6 hours". Or give me CET/GMT. :D
It's just that KST and EST are confusing to most Europeans, sorry. Have to make everything hard, don't you =P I think he means 7pm EST, which is in ~4.5 hours.
Yeah that's what I thought also, but I just want to make sure.
Because if it's KST then I'll stay up, cuz it's only 2 and a half hours, if it's EST then I have to stay up 'till 2AM.
So it always ends on 19:00 EST = 17:00 KST?
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Yeah I don't get Kenpachi either.
I mean, as far as we know, LSB was red, and he THOUGHT he was red. He could've been blue later on but he wasn't told that by the mods. So I have the following questions:
1. Kenpachi - Why are you claiming he wasn't red?
2. Why did LSB lie so much (about following RoL, when he clearly couldn't, about having abilities, etc.)
3. Why go after Orgolove of all people?
4. Why all the chaos with the elections on day 1? If he's as good a player as you guys said he is, that was a pretty crappy campaign imo.
5. If he was working with RoL and Meapakk, what does that say about Meapakk?
Meapakk - Not saying you're red, as RoL was not either, but you did trust him, which means that most of the things you told him are most likely known by the Mafia. If you role claimed to him, you should let town (not what your role is, but that you have, at least), also, all other important information that might be detrimental to the town and LSB has got, you should inform us about it.
No wonder RoL died, if LSB knew what he was then Mafia surely made sure he was dead.
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On December 15 2010 15:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oh and I already roleclaimed a couple pages back when I got roleblocked.
Yes, but most importantly, did LSB know what your power was? Before you got blocked.
I think by now it's pretty safe to assume that most of the things LSB posted in the thread were lies. And from what happened 'behind the curtains' it's pretty clear that the Mafia knew what LSB knew (I mean, RoL would probably get targeted anyway, but since he was supposed to survive, either the Mafia used 2 hits on him, or someone in town thought it would be a good idea to hit him).
So, bottom line is, if LSB knew more than what's already been proven he knows, then we should be aware of it, because Mafia knows it too.
And I'm still waiting for kenpachi to give us an explanation as to why he thinks LSB was not scummy.
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I do agree, on some level, that it's wiser to check someone who might or might not be red, rather than check people who yell "check us". They are either townies/blues or godfather. An experienced townie wouldn't ask for a dt check on himself unless it was crucial to the game. And it really doesn't seem the case here.
Butt anyway!
I still want kenpachi to start talking.
There was definitely something between him and LSB.
Also, deconduo and gilaboy. I know it's most likely that you're not Mafia (since, let's face it, LSB was dead with or without your votes for orgolove), but can you explain why you trusted LSB so much?
I know deconduo already explained it, plus we had a lot of PM exchanges before the lynch, so I get HIS point of view, but gila's?
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On December 16 2010 03:03 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 02:58 CubEdIn wrote:
I do agree, on some level, that it's wiser to check someone who might or might not be red, rather than check people who yell "check us". They are either townies/blues or godfather. An experienced townie wouldn't ask for a dt check on himself unless it was crucial to the game. And it really doesn't seem the case here.
Butt anyway!
I still want kenpachi to start talking.
There was definitely something between him and LSB.
Also, deconduo and gilaboy. I know it's most likely that you're not Mafia (since, let's face it, LSB was dead with or without your votes for orgolove), but can you explain why you trusted LSB so much?
I know deconduo already explained it, plus we had a lot of PM exchanges before the lynch, so I get HIS point of view, but gila's? Sure. I trusted LSB because there were very obvious hints throughout the thread that he was Snape. The way that annul designed this game, it is pulling a great deal from the lore of the books, meaning a lot of our characters will have powers/abilities/interactions that coincide very strongly with how the book played out. I guess since I enjoyed the books so much (don't judge haha) it seemed clear to me that Snape would play a traitor's role. He is always appearing the bad guy, but in the end is the good guy through and through. So my reasoning behind trusting LSB is because of the hints pointing towards him being Snape, and annul pulling a great deal from the lore in crafting all of our characters and other aspects of the game
Oh, I see, I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with the books, my girlfriend gave me some tips here and there, and I took that with what dec told me about snape.
I went to mafiawiki and read about traitor. It's usually a town-role, who has the ability to turn mafia (so actually, mafia-aligned). Snape was the exact opposite. He was mafia, but town-aligned, so either way, LSB lied his ass off when he was targeted. There was no way he didn't know who the mafia are.
So to me, it would still make sense to kill LSB even with him being Snape, since he was feeding lies (like going out with RoL, when it turns out he had no powers whatsoever).
But then where does kenpachi come in? He advocated for LSB even before the snipe hints, and he kept doing it even after LSB was revealed. Something's definitely still fishy there.
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On December 16 2010 03:16 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 03:13 CubEdIn wrote:On December 16 2010 03:03 Thegilaboy wrote:On December 16 2010 02:58 CubEdIn wrote:
I do agree, on some level, that it's wiser to check someone who might or might not be red, rather than check people who yell "check us". They are either townies/blues or godfather. An experienced townie wouldn't ask for a dt check on himself unless it was crucial to the game. And it really doesn't seem the case here.
Butt anyway!
I still want kenpachi to start talking.
There was definitely something between him and LSB.
Also, deconduo and gilaboy. I know it's most likely that you're not Mafia (since, let's face it, LSB was dead with or without your votes for orgolove), but can you explain why you trusted LSB so much?
I know deconduo already explained it, plus we had a lot of PM exchanges before the lynch, so I get HIS point of view, but gila's? Sure. I trusted LSB because there were very obvious hints throughout the thread that he was Snape. The way that annul designed this game, it is pulling a great deal from the lore of the books, meaning a lot of our characters will have powers/abilities/interactions that coincide very strongly with how the book played out. I guess since I enjoyed the books so much (don't judge haha) it seemed clear to me that Snape would play a traitor's role. He is always appearing the bad guy, but in the end is the good guy through and through. So my reasoning behind trusting LSB is because of the hints pointing towards him being Snape, and annul pulling a great deal from the lore in crafting all of our characters and other aspects of the game Oh, I see, I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with the books, my girlfriend gave me some tips here and there, and I took that with what dec told me about snape. I went to mafiawiki and read about traitor. It's usually a town-role, who has the ability to turn mafia (so actually, mafia-aligned). Snape was the exact opposite. He was mafia, but town-aligned, so either way, LSB lied his ass off when he was targeted. There was no way he didn't know who the mafia are. So to me, it would still make sense to kill LSB even with him being Snape, since he was feeding lies (like going out with RoL, when it turns out he had no powers whatsoever). But then where does kenpachi come in? He advocated for LSB even before the snipe hints, and he kept doing it even after LSB was revealed. Something's definitely still fishy there. Ah, my mistake, I meant traitor in the normal sense of the word, not the mafia version, sorry for that bit of confusion. I have no explanation for kenpachi, I can't entirely read his actions with much clarity.
I know, I know, but I went to check for Traitor when LSB said he was one. It was part of my discussion wtih deconduo.
And I wasn't really asking you to tell me why kenpachi is acting this way, I was trying to push him to explain for himself.
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Ok I'll be off for most of tomorrow, so I'm gonna post some of my thoughts:
1. Who to lynch?
No clue. Really, I'm pretty baffled after last night. I don't trust a lot of people, in fact I can't think of anyone who I actually DO trust. If I had to kill someone, it would probably be Kenpachi (still didn't get over his defense of LSB), ilovejonn (he did a few slip-ups at start, he seems to be ok now but overall not very helpful) and zeks (because he looks a lot like a role-fisher). Although I'm not sure about zeks, since what he's doing is borderline suicidal. Annul already said he doesn't like the role-claiming and he's making a list of what people are and their role. Not saying I don't like it, but it DOES look like fishing to a certain extent.
Overall, I'm not certain we should lynch either of them, their "degree of suspicion" is at best 30% in my eyes.
2. What to do?
This one is easy, stop role-claiming in PMs. I'm sure town circles work even without mass role-claims, and I'm pretty sure there are at least SOME links since town lost a lot of good players so far (i mean come on, freaking dumbledore?). I find it hard to believe that mafia is THAT good as to guess who people are by what they're posting, so someone surely leaked information to them.
Next, pressure lurkers. Like really pressure. They always start talking once they're about to get lynched. Tube is one of those people, Paindain is borderline lurker (which, incidentally, is how he played kingmaker as well), Coagulation is only raging around not being useful, and a few people I don't even recall ever seeing them in the game (like oddo, chaoser). So speak up, Please.
3. Be more aggressive. From my limited experience, people slip up under pressure. So put pressure on people. I'm not gonna pick a random person and do an entire analysis on them, because I'm sure we can find a bit of scummy in everyone's posts, but some people SHOULD be more under the spotlight than others. It seems that town has mostly retreated in PM land, which doesn't seem to be helping town so far. Maybe we should do more accusations in public land, just saying.
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You know what, I'll vote for tube.
Normally, I'd vote for why in this context, but I will abstain to do so because I had a weird feeling that ilovejonn has been scummy since the vote-switch at the start of the game. He might be right about why though, and his analysis doesn't seem scummy or trying to divert or anything, so I'll give him the benefit of a doubt.
I would also love for ilovejonn, but then you guys will ignore all my previous posts of suspecting him and say that I'm trying to defend why. Which I'm not. As I said, ilovejonn's analysis looks good from where I'm standing.
I may change my vote 'till the end of the day, but goddamn it do I hate inactives/lurkers. I mean I get it, it was the man's birthday, but how hard it is to take 10 minutes and dedicate them to the game. If you won't even do that, then stay out of it for good.
Same goes for Pandain. DrH said that "that's not how he plays scum", well, that's exactly how he played scum in Kingmaker, where he didn't have the time to actually post a lot. Sure, this is a different game, and more complicated, but who's to say he's not doing the same thing anyway?
Tube. Wake up.
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I think he's saying that HE is Pomfrey, no?
I say we ask annul to modkill both for role-claiming. Then we can have our lynch + a sure mafia.
GG NP!
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I agree with having someone check DrH, or at least one more person come out and say "I also knew that there was another person who claimed bla bla."
Just one person's word and the fact that he "heard it from someone who heard it from a dt" should not be enough evidence to lynch one of the most experienced players in the game so far. We already lost pretty much everyone else.
The only problem is, if he turns out green, we WILL need the other one to claim as well and get rid of both (because we obviously can't have two people with the same role).
Also, if he flips green on DT check, Meapak should probably turn over whoever said DrH turned red (because, let's face it, even if we will have 2 greens with the same role, there's no way either of them would have flipped red), so Meapakk's source is most likely red.
Alternatively, we could get lucky with today's lynch and get one of the "doubles".
Either way, I'm not gonna support DrH's lynch based on one testimony alone.
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Also, if someone else is DT and can check DrH.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T CLAIM IT.
Having DTs claim is one of the dumbest things town can do.
Seriously, part from highly unusual circumstances, DTs should NEVER claim in the open. If you have to do it, use a town circle or smth.
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And I was totally kidding about modkilling for roleclaim in PMs. Come on people, I'm not that dumb lol.
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On December 18 2010 07:02 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 06:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
Coag, you are not helping. Are you saying I am mafia or I am disillusion that I am defending Dr.H?
Back on topic:
Annul clarified the rules a page back. Can anyone find any loophole to this plan?
Kenpachi name checks Dr.H.
Dr.H protects Kenpachi. They kill DrH?
They could, sure, but why would Mafia kill someone who's under high suspicion from town? Just let the town lynch him. Besides, I'm sure that mafia would rather aim for a DT rather than a medic. Besides #2, there should be more medics in the game, so someone could STILL protect DrH anyway.
And since nobody is helping me push tube in the spotlight, I'll move my vote to pandain. My argument is that he played exactly like this in kingmaker, where he was scum. And I should know, I was his scumbuddy.
Sorry buddy!
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On December 18 2010 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You've already been lynched. If I'm correct voting ended 10 minutes ago.
We'll see what happens.
I believe that days end at 9 KST which gives it 45 more minutes.
@ meapakk: just a thought. If drh DOES turn out blue, then we can assume that what he said was true, so we shouldn't have a tracker claim and give mafia even more targets for tonight.
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