Don't lose yo village! - Page 29

On November 19 2010 06:18 Glasse wrote:
you can't prove shit, because i'm flash and i suck at arguments

also :






first post when i get back, thats what i meant

you are just twisting my words because i word stuff differently a lot because i'm french and my english isnt perfect, ill read your post and answer to everything then i guess if you really want to be fucking annoying about it

On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:
Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)
Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here.
His Posts:


First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up.
Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it?

Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it


Clarifies rules.

First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam.

So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town



Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement.

i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3




And this doesn't help :/



VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed?
Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up.
In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin).

bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point


Says to lynch the expierenced people....

yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck




says he is against not voting.

of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia




Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger.

Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him.


wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later

maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly



Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what).

i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help



Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing.


yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you



Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town.

yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later




Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/.

what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much




Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up.

nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy.



Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing.

herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink




Claims he's flash.


Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one.
1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something)
2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing)
These choices just don't fit.

night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times
i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad
oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb




This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed.

o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after
a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective



Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily).



Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know.

because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after




Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now.



Actually pro town, the first pro town thing.



Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB???
Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim."



Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason.

Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle?




Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately.


Why would anyone not claim because of this?



Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed."

And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage.
Let's see the scenario:
Coag(mafia)
Glasse(mafia)
Pandain
LSB
KtheZ

Now, he could've done one of two things.
1.Push to get me lynched.
But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side.
2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched.
This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do.

Now, let's see coag's performance here.



Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom.


Tries to link me and coag when I pointed out coag was 100% mafia(before he was killed, so why would i do that if we were scum buddies.)

On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote:
well i made a list of possiblities :3
also i'm not lying

pandain left night 1 so it means :

Effort - drh *dead
calm - artanis *dead
clam - kthez
sea - pandain (mafia)
stork - lsb
jaedong - youngmini *dead
flash - glasse
mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead
mafia 2 - coag

i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3


##vote: coagulation

On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote:
##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day)

On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote:





You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something?

1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia

2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim"

i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much

do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red


did i miss something?

On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:


dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it.
i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town
why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost

On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:



wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments

On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote:


lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia

On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote:
i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate.

On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote:
ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit.
fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me.
he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town.
now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me.

On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote:
medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic

wait i just realized something

notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me.

On November 19 2010 07:03 Glasse wrote:
let's look at lsb's thoughts

On November 19 2010 07:09 Pandain wrote:
LSB was wrong, and iirc later on we talked about the fact you could've converted coag and coag save you.

On November 19 2010 07:29 LSB wrote:
Ignore me thing. sry.

(Seriously, that acronom sucks)