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Glasse
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Coagulation
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deconduo
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LSB the Stork Tracker has been killed. Pandain, KtheZ, Glasse alive. Voting begins now. | ||
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Pandain
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It could be glasse, it could be me. It comes down to what it shoudl be, cold hard analysis. I suggest we all wait so then mafia can't easily just get a majority or something. Decon how are you going to end day? Whole 48 hours? Or what? | ||
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On November 18 2010 21:53 Pandain wrote: As it stands right now there's no way to verify who's telling the truth. It could be glasse, it could be me. It comes down to what it shoudl be, cold hard analysis. I suggest we all wait so then mafia can't easily just get a majority or something. Decon how are you going to end day? Whole 48 hours? Or what? 48 hours or until votes are locked. Same as yesterday. | ||
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LSB
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I didn't get a chance to say anything. last night I would have pointed to this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344¤tpage=21#416 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344¤tpage=21#420 | ||
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Glasse
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On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote: wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started? nvm i guess since coag is dead pandain can't sacrifice, which makes me useless... but we could have used that time with lsb alive to talk :3 | ||
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LSB
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I gave my all My life, my blood, all for this game And in one last call Hope for everlasting fame. | ||
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Pandain
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Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here. His Posts: On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote: Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever) I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3 So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote: wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect? did i get that wrong? sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote: what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3 typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome happy cat is happy look at him! :3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote: i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote: i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3 we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote: i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier  Says to lynch the expierenced people.... On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote: can you really vote for no one? also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote: what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote: Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote: i just dont have anything important to say :3 SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote: i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote: honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3 this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote: wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now? YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote: we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl. kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote: i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote: yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote: facepalm, please dont believe him :3 who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote: well i made a list of possiblities :3 also i'm not lying pandain left night 1 so it means : Effort - drh *dead calm - artanis *dead clam - kthez sea - pandain (mafia) stork - lsb jaedong - youngmini *dead flash - glasse mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead mafia 2 - coag i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3 ##vote: coagulation Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now. On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote: ##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day) Actually pro town, the first pro town thing. On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote: You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something? Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB??? Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim." On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason. Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle? On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately. On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote: lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia Why would anyone not claim because of this? On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote: i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate. Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed." And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage. Let's see the scenario: Coag(mafia) Glasse(mafia) Pandain LSB KtheZ Now, he could've done one of two things. 1.Push to get me lynched. But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side. 2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched. This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do. Now, let's see coag's performance here. On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote: ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit. fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me. he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town. now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me. Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom. On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic wait i just realized something notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me. Tries to link me and coag when I pointed out coag was 100% mafia(before he was killed, so why would i do that if we were scum buddies.) | ||
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Glasse
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i did not read your post but: why would i try really hard to get my "teamate" lynched? why would i be fucking pissed because no lynch happened and he didnt die? also the part where i was wondering why the day fucking started without me sending in my night action, when you were in the thread ready to pm your kill for lsb. i was at college I COULD NOT HAVE PM'D DECONDUO TO GET LSB KILLED, i was in my stats class where we don't have computers you however, were reading the thread and posted right after he decided to lynch coag also you only took parts of what i said where it advantage you, like the part where i unvoted for a WHOLE HOUR so we have a bit more time to discuss, then instantly revoted for coag. i know kthez is smart, he won't pick you because you have obvious stuff pointing at you. a lot more than whatever you can try to (terribly) analyse now please, kthez, vote pandain. i don't feel like i need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way. oh also, lsb pointed out tons of good points about pandain | ||
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Pandain
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And if you had read my post you would see why your vote for coag doesn't confirm you. Wait, you said "i did not read your post" then talk about my post? dude, you can't just say "I'm the real flash" and expect to be believed. Learn that next time when playing mafia. And LSB said nothing about me besides when he tracked me, which all it does really is confirm I'm shrink. Don't make stuff up. | ||
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Pandain
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When would you ever? | ||
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Glasse
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On November 19 2010 06:04 Pandain wrote: Perhaps its because your not the real flash? And if you had read my post you would see why your vote for coag doesn't confirm you. Wait, you said "i did not read your post" then talk about my post? dude, you can't just say "I'm the real flash" and expect to be believed. Learn that next time when playing mafia. And LSB said nothing about me besides when he tracked me, which all it does really is confirm I'm shrink. Don't make stuff up. i did not read all your post* (if i could i would edit things like that) you also said you are the real flash, because it was an easy way out of the hole you were deep in, then i claimed. the "expect to be believed" applies to yuo as well. | ||
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Glasse
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On November 19 2010 06:05 Pandain wrote: "I don't feel like I need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way" When would you ever? i'm in a good position right now, where i'm actually telling the truth so i don't need to lie and not quote part of posts that are most important to prove i'm blue also you completely avoided the fact that i left for roughly 3h30 and then came back and posted, which was after my class i feel like that in itself is a good enough point that proves i can't have posted... i can show you my schedule if you want... | ||
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Pandain
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On November 19 2010 06:10 Glasse wrote: i'm in a good position right now, where i'm actually telling the truth so i don't need to lie and not quote part of posts that are most important to prove i'm blue also you completely avoided the fact that i left for roughly 3h30 and then came back and posted, which was after my class i feel like that in itself is a good enough point that proves i can't have posted... i can show you my schedule if you want... What are you talking about for the second sentence. Furthormore, I'm saying when would you ever feel the need to twist scummy posts your way? I'm saying that you basically said that you would if the situation were different(lsb had tracked you for instance.) Furthormore, in response to your above post(not quoted), I AM proving that I'm the real shrink. You're not, just saying "believe meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and wifommmmmmmmm" | ||
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Glasse
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also : On November 18 2010 21:04 Glasse wrote: i'm not at school its 7 am, im leaving in about 1 hour for college :3 On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote: wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started? first post when i get back, thats what i meant you are just twisting my words because i word stuff differently a lot because i'm french and my english isnt perfect, ill read your post and answer to everything then i guess if you really want to be fucking annoying about it | ||
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