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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:04 annul wrote: nothing worse than what KJ spent 20 pages doing to me Two wrongs don't make a right...but 3 lefts do. If he jumped off a bridge would you follow? Hmm...not sure if there are any other cliches... | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:04 annul wrote: nothing worse than what KJ spent 20 pages doing to me Actually, I only attacked your arguments, I NEVER called you a little moron. I won't be quoting posts here since that isn't necessary, but I also never say things like, "Are you dumb?" or "Are you retarded?". Those are character attacks and have no place in a battle of wits unless you come unprepared. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:07 kingjames01 wrote: Actually, I only attacked your arguments, I NEVER called you a little moron. I won't be quoting posts here since that isn't necessary, but I also never say things like, "Are you dumb?" or "Are you retarded?". Those are character attacks and have no place in a battle of wits unless you come unprepared. The point is you are ignoring the benefits of my argument. That post you quoted earlier where you "proved" me wrong? Lay the sarcasm on thick, don't ya? What is the problem with name claiming right now KJ? What are the cons? How will it hurt the town? I just said the same thing three times, just to make sure you can understand me. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:22 annul wrote: i am thinking about how to best reply. Honestly and truthfully. I need it to happen. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
Mafia already know what they have... the best they could do if they know our countries(if they don't already haha) is know WHO to pick off, but the number of countries taken out is the same. And the benefits for town are too great to ignore. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:29 annul wrote: btw pandain now agrees with me, which is what ive said all game? cool Except you're not doing what everyone wants you to(besides ace). And your defense is that you have received unverifiable PMs saying NOT to, despite the fact that even if they ARE real would be MORE suspicious than us, since they're not even saying in the thread. If you are telling the truth you are leading town into lynching you. Honestly, even if you die, it would be better for town than what you're doing now, which is on the verge of lynching you because you have lied so many times. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
I'm down to only 4 nations, 6 if you count two of the nations which have no territories. At the moment, the mafia is very much interested in taking out the players who are actually a threat. In a normal mafia game, the mafia would have used their KP's to take them out. In Caller's game, there is no such free kill ability and they must rely on a mass nation claim to find their opponents. It is best for everyone to stay hidden for now. There will be a time for a mass nation claim. That time isn't now. The only people who should claim are the people from the short-list of possible Ace hiding locations. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [vote analysis] + Votes: Day 1 - Chezinu Day 2 - LSB Day 3 - Ace, then change to Hesmyrr Day 4 - Kingjames01 (WTF?), change to Ace at last second. Okay, clearly the first two votes for Chezinu and LSB seem uninformed, but not necessarily scummy. However, the Day 4 vote for KingJames, who I believe has been pro-town through out the duration of the game, as well as before this whole night fiasco started, is just scummy. I mean, why would you vote for someone who's been helping town organize, get through lynches, creating maps, and bringing forth analyses? To SILENCE THEM AS MAFIA OF COURSE! Also notice his wishy-washyness in voting, and how he seems to follow the bandwagon. Classic scum behavior. Now, moving on to posts. First off, most of his posts are useless. One liner crap or just repetition and such. I'll make a list of them first I guess... + Show Spoiler + Are we supposed to be taking any action whatsoever right now? Like voting to lynch or sending moves? I'm assuming no because I don't really see a voting thread and because the map isn't even fully up yet. Yeah this game is off to a great start oh yeah lol. The problem with the way of peace is that the aggressors also gain higher vote power. Maybe the people who are close to those double provincers should attack them next night? You mean this post right? Gonna quote to bump it. Fact that red is first on the list indicates they probably got their province choices/name in fairly quickly and was around for the first draft of the map. From that we can assume they were also active in the early stages of the game. Probably not too helpful, but it's a start. If Coagulation is in this game (other than making the map), maybe he decided to put his country first as red Can you figure out who is who just by looking at the province names? Cause I can't. I suppose from now on we should just play either mafia or diplomacy. Not the two together. A person's provinces are all in the same color like in here, but beyond that it really doesn't matter because Diplomacy is free for all. Let's just get our votes in for the day, lynch somebody, and draw conclusions from there. Half the people in here don't even seem to be active. The cat's out of the bag for this one though I think. Yeah everyone's going to feel free to add their own country to the list. Enjoy while it lasts Hey I have the same amount of points as this guy but am only rank 48 gotta spam more. I'm getting this kind of vibe as well. So, you mean: Pandain kingjames01 LSB ????? Oh jesus christ, the MAJORITY, the VAST MAJORITY of his posts have been one liners or useless posts. What does this indicate to you? It should indicate a mafia player giving us NO information, trying to do the absolute LEAST they can to get by while seeming active. The fact of the matter is, he isn't. He's just repeating a lot of what people said. Scum play, I'd say. Now, for his other posts. + Show Spoiler [analysis] + I advocate a "every man for himself" approach to this game. Even if we accidentally kill each other off, town vote power does not decrease because votes are based on province count and not player count. Besides, lashing out blindly could take out mafia too. Sure, there's going a ton of confusion as to who's mafia and who's town, but that's going to be around no matter what we do because of the way this game is set up anyways. If you have vacant provinces nearby, take them. Okay, bolded the part that doesn't make sense. I have no problem with the plan, but I have a problem with this contradiction. You have a plan so it ISN'T chaotic and messy. You have a plan so you're ORGANIZED. Why would you advocate this "plan" if it's going to bring havoc and chaos? Hey, I heard mafia likes chaos.  I'm province 21, wasn't me bro. Hmmm, interesting. We can't really pinpoint his actions except that he seemed to have attacked annul the last night phase. That makes sense I suppose if you think Annul is scummy, which most of us did prior to his guerilla claim this past day/night cycle. Hell I was casting a random vote just so we could get a lynch and Ace was the only one with votes when I voted. In hindsight, it was probably a dumb move. If you have other reasons why you want to lynch me, please tell me so I can prove my innocence. Whoa, WHAT? You don't cast random votes!!! >_< That's a CRAP reason for voting, and just shows scum behavior. Only scum doesn't care who they kill as long as it's town. WE DO CARE. That's why we ANALYZE!!! Scummy as hell move right here. It's not day one bro, no random votes. >_> We can lynch annul, but if he pops town, then I am definitely going after kingjames. That said, I don't think annul is mafia. Contradiction! Why would you attack annul THAT NIGHT when you said you don't think he's mafia? Because you don't want more land? I don't buy it, especially when you're casting RANDOM VOTES. Of course, who's benefits from "random" voting with more land? MAFIA! Also, why would you say we shouldn't lynch annul if you don't think he's mafia... and then NOT GIVE REASONING? Your opinion is fine and dandy, but it'd be so much more helpful to town if you posted your reasons. If you have no reasons, and are just saying that... *COUGH*SCUM*COUGH*. Does it say explicitly that Ace is town? He could have this power but not be town.......... This is a good point, but then again, I personally doubt Mafia would have an unlynchable role. If we say that, then he's just trying to confuse town by casting suspicion on blue members. W/es though, that's unfair extrapolation. This was a good point to keep in mind anyway. I say we lynch kingjames. His accusations don't seem to make much sense and we shouldn't have too much trouble getting votes considering some of the responses. I find it suspicious that he is pushing OpZ and annul to use their abilities in order to "prove township". That is downright stupid and hurts town. Both abilities will be lost. You are putting them in a situation reminiscent of a witch trial. "Hey, if she drowns, then she's not a witch." "Hey, if annul and OpZ use their powers, then it proves township but then we basically just waste two town abilities" Can you blame them for not wanting to follow your dumb plan? Possibly you will and try to change that into uncooperation and push for a lynch. Also, please show us where the fuck you tried to say Ace had lynch dodging abilities. A quote from this thread. I find it unlikely that you managed to come up with this idea beforehand. Plus, this list of provinces that Ace holds is suspicious too. Ace claims that if he loses a province, he immediately dies. Maybe it might be true, maybe not. But if it's true, then it's unlikely he is KingdomOfWhoring because that holds three provinces, and Super Spitze holds none. # Hojo House # NoLanPlan # KingdomOfWhoring # Super Spitze How did you arrive so surely at these four? Show me your analysis. The map isn't up to date yet and there are lots of other possible territories lying around. If you truly are town, kingjames, please change your stance on these issues and reply to some of my demands for proof. I think I speak for some others too when I say this. I don't disagree with the analysis that Ace could possibly be mafia and have his power too, though. Oh, here's the juicy post. Guess what, it's his FIRST ONE IN THE THREAD. Scum much? Now, why would you suddenly want to lynch KJ? Maybe it's because KJ just made a post up above trying to ORGANIZE town? Hey, what's better for mafia than killing someone who helps us organize right? The second paragraph seems to show some lack of understanding. Gunpowder isn't lost. It's available for use every other turn! Tsk, not reading the OP carefully? Bad Townie at least, I'd say. Therefore, it's not a bad thing to lynch Loanshark either because he DOESN'T contribute, and he DOESN'T EVEN READ THE OP WELL. Note, another interesting thing. Loanshark says don't attack Annul, don't make annul waste his powers, and he doesn't think annul is mafia. BUT WAIT, he attacked annul himself! Hmmm? Contradiction. Furthermore, the way he acts in the thread makes me believe there's some connection between the two. =/ There's nothign wrong with asking for proof from KJ though. That I agree with. However, trying to discredit KJ and cast suspicion on him at this point is suspicious. The guy's been trying to organize town, post analyses, and get us mafia lynches, yet you want to lynch him because he worked over PM instead of in the thread? I don't buy it. I think the demand for proof is perfectly valid, but that isn't enough to LYNCH him unless, once again, you're just trying to cause chaos for town. Furthermore, while you disagree with the plan, you haven't shown it's a SCUMMY plan. You also haven't analyzed KJ's posts, yet you make the leap of calling him scum AND asking for his lynch? Loanshark, you're scum man. You're freaking scum. But hey, like he said here. + Show Spoiler + If you have other reasons why you want to lynch me, please tell me so I can prove my innocence | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Loanshark is one of the hidden players from my list of suspected mafia. I have other reasons but these are the best examples of Loanshark's scummy play. Whether he is mafia or a poor Townie, Loanshark has a lot to explain. Loanshark, will you help show us your sincerity by Attacking 17 or 19 tonight? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 29 2010 02:28 kingjames01 wrote: I know who owns every other Province. Actually, there are 6 remaining that I have not figured out. The Provinces that are missing is Asakura and Nation In Despair. The list of nations that Ace must belong to is as follows:
If someone doubts me, then that person should PM me and I'll PM you back with your nation. Obviously only do this if you have not claimed in the thread. I can do this with EVERY NATION not on this list. That leaves a short list of 6. Two have no provinces left. Three have 1 Province left. If Ace had no Provinces left then he'd be unkillable. Assuming that is not the case, he must belong to:
These are the nations that we must look into if we want to find Ace. Why are you so interested in finding me and killing me? To this day you still haven't focused on anyone else and have been insistent on getting me killed. It's a 24 person game come on ^_^ Oh by the way my bad, probably should have fully claimed my role lol. Just because I'm awesome at not losing land doesn't mean you have the right to take it away from me. Why so paranoid? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:32 Pandain wrote: Except you're not doing what everyone wants you to(besides ace). And your defense is that you have received unverifiable PMs saying NOT to, despite the fact that even if they ARE real would be MORE suspicious than us, since they're not even saying in the thread. If you are telling the truth you are leading town into lynching you. Honestly, even if you die, it would be better for town than what you're doing now, which is on the verge of lynching you because you have lied so many times. stop it. The town isn't on the verge of lynching him. You and SIFZ need to stop bullying people. annul isn't getting lynched as long as I'm still alive.  | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
if ace implies what i think he implies, i like this game a lot more now | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
 Ace not contributing makes me sad. Ace claiming he can stop annul AND himself from being lynched also makes me sad Me being unsure as to almost everyone's alignment makes me sad *hides in corner* | ||
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