Insane Mafia

On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote:
bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning
are you pro Bandwagon
or Anti bandwagon

plz explain

On October 29 2010 15:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

i didnt think that out very well TT

my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.

I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.

On October 31 2010 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
One thing I want to point out:





From voting thread. Kenpachi has not posted once since the game started. Let's keep a closer eye on lurkers than we did in Haunted.

On October 31 2010 08:41 NB wrote:

i asked the GM... he said mayor get to lynch 1 person day1, from day2 on its voting

On October 31 2010 12:18 Fishball wrote:


As much as I appreciate the concern, what the hell do you mean "you think"? My post is just 6 above yours, on the same page...
You should already know that I'm keeping an eye on you.

On November 02 2010 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


First post:


This was fishy because he made no attempt to back this up. However I felt that a vote for fishball was less fishy than a last minute change from fishball to me so I made SiNiquity my #1 vote target. After SiNiquity martyred himself I switched back to youngminii, who dodged the lynch and SiNiquity died. I'll talk about the lynch dodge later.



It's too hard to tell a good excuse for inactivity for a bad one. This is nonconclusive.

I will say this. Mafia's favorite thing to do is to make a player look suspicious because "he is making an excuse for being inactive" or because "oh they're inactive". So many players are usually inactive in a game mafia just has to swing the inactive bandwagon on to a blue player. In a normal set-up inactive players often have power roles and post rarely in the thread in fear that they'll somehow out themselves to the mafia. Be wary of hyperfocus on inactive players.



Unlynchable/Judas can just as well be a mafia role as a town role. The bold part struck me as strange because I think youngminii knows better than to use such a WIFOM argument. His second part "lynches bypass the two lives thing" is irrelevant. Obviously that is not his role since he dodged the lynch.

He paints me as relying on the metagame, which is not the case. I've referred to it and used it in my analysis, I haven't relied on it. I don't feel the metagame should be totally ignored. We as a town agreed to lynch an inactive on the first day and I felt that YM was the most suspicious amongst the inactives. It's simple.

I responded to his post and this argument didn't really go anywhere.

Pandain basically says here "We don't want you to roleclaim just tell us about your role and why you didn't die (aka roleclaim plz)". Youngminii doesn't fall into this potential trap and doesn't comment. Good.



His point here is good. The town has nothing to gain from youngminii roleclaiming at this point. what they do have is a potentially good role to lose.



YoungMinii doesn't seem to like Pandain D: (then again I guess you could say the same thing about me times a billion in this thread.)

Pandain is pretty clearly trying to backtrack his way out of the fact that he was rolefishing here. YoungMinii does a good job of explaining why he disagrees with Pandain but is being quite harsh.

I can confirm from watching his behind the scenes play in haunted mafia that youngminii is just a harsh dude, it's part of his personality. I thought he and quickstriker were gonna kill eachother in irc D:



Drawing way too heavy of a conclusion from that post already. This is a pretty early accusation of Aeres and it's interesting to note that it came before Ace essentially started the Aeres bandwagon. If the mafia wanted to kill Aeres, why would the focus on him so specifically? Why would they continue this focus after Aeres came out as not being bodyguard.

If Aeres is town, it's pretty simple. He's the easiest target to lynch because he lied and admitted it. This is before Aeres lied though.

However Aeres claims were very suspicious and youngminii's suspicions aren't poorly founded. I wasn't necessarily convinced that he was a bodyguard but I did want to believe it (as having 2 bg's would be nice D

[r]This is where I start to disagree, YM is gunning for someone right now, and it feels like he is just dying to start a bandwagon. What a better way than to post something inflammatory like “Aeres is scum”, this is bound to cause controversy because Aeres hasn’t been proved lying and even though he it is discovered he lied later I still think YM is WAY to focused on starting a bandwagon against Aeres.[/r]


Putting a lot of pressure on Aeres here, but it comes off as sensible to me. Aeres roleclaim was illogical and youngminii is catching him in some inconsistent claims. This is a good town post if you ask me.

[r]You see Aeres’ role claim as illogical but I considered doing the same thing. I really didn’t think it would cause the hubbub it did when Aeres did so I’m glad I didn’t but just the same to a new player it seems like a sensible thing to do. The body guard is revealed so hey, I’ll claim to throw the mafia off.[/r]


Good catch. Why would Aeres say this?

[r]Again from a new players perspective Aeres is making a lot of sense, I would have said the same thing in his position.[/r]


this is an improtant part of the post because it points out a possible mafia motivation for Aeres' actions. The people jumping on the youngminii bandwagon have tried to claim that "Aeres play makes sense as town not mafia" when it's been demonstrated a few times that's not really quite the case.

[r]Okay fair enough but I don’t know what youngminii bandwagon you’re talking about, at this point there are no votes for YM (in fact I’m the first vote which is almost 7 hours away).[/r]


Lynch All Liarsss

[r]Sounds so good on paper right? LAL, great pro town catch phrase. But everyone lies a little bit in mafia and this is just and inflammatory post against Aeres.[/r]






He is very insistent on ending the argument I'm having with Pandain. Now I agree Pandain's arguments were illogical and dumb, but his intense focus on the Aeres bandwagon is something people brought up as suspicious.

Why is it suspicious?

Mafia don't focus down on a target like that unless they REALLY want them dead, especially this early in the game when their voting power isn't that strong. Mafia change their targets to what they think is the easiest, what's gonna bring the least criticism on them, what arguments does the town want to hear?

A townie has every reason to focus down on the player they most suspect, since it is essential that scumlynches occur. Anything else could very well be mafia noise and distraction. Attempts to discredit focus don't cut it for me.

[r]It’s suspicious because of his single mindedness, and of how little substance his posts have. He has had some good points but a lot of what he’s said is inflammatory and meant to rile up the town. I’m going to say it right now, I’m not experience at mafia so most of my arguments are face value, I wasn’t in haunted IRC so I don’t knew how he operates. From my perspective it looks like he’s trying to get an Aeres bandwagon started without considering everything.[/r]


This is a good post. Pandain never responded though of course.

[r]Good post because it’s bashing Pandain who you currently have a beef with.[/r]


Continual focus on Aeres

[r]Without any supporting evidence.[/r]


Defending me. While I'm glad somebody agrees Pandains arguments were dumb mafia would have a good motivation to attach themselves to me and make it appear as though they are on my side. If they die and flip red the mafia can easily use that to get me lynched. That's why I don't like speculating too much about factions, it can really go either way.

[r]The point is not that he’s defending you but that he continues to attack Pandain.[/r]






This is the truth, really. It causes way more harm to the town than it does to the mafia.

This I disagree with. If we knew somehow that Aeres was 100% town it would be dumb to lynch him especially when the role "Cruiseship Captain" that he claimed could be valuable.

[r]More attempts at bandwagoning Aeres WITH NO EVIDENCE. Also more shots at Pandain and one at infinitestory[/r]




Fair enough.





Now i'm not sure. The cruiseship captain seems like it could be a legit role. This is really not useful speculation since we don't know what Artanis is thinking.

[r]More speculation mixed in with his attacks on Aeres.[/r]


True. Pandain is a pretty scummy town player.

[r]In your opinion (and his… there seems to be a connection between you and YM?)[/r]


Kills for information, not a strategy I like. I suppose there is no better alternative, we have to lynch somebody and ym/ace made a good case for Aeres.

[r]There is a better alternative, lynch YM[/r]


Good point here.

[r]Actually the soft claim was pretty convincing to me, he STILL gets in an attack on Aeres.[/r]










I'm not sure Amber read the thread all the way through. He didn't catch my roleclaim and a few other bits of key information so I'm just gonna disregard the first part here.

Amber's entire argument here is pretty much meta. Youngminii makes the case for his lynch of Aeres. This is a good post by YM imo.

[r]It’d be fun if one of his posts didn’t contain a personal attack, regardless he’s still hitting Aeres because he lied, at this point BIG SCREAMING DEAL. I don’t care that Aeres lied, it makes sense to me and I think YM is desperately trying to get a bandwagon going based simply on “the lie” which if you just read his posts might make you think the lie caused half the town to be killed.[/r]
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Another good point by youngminii. IMO this shows that he isn't a mafia hellbent on lynching Aeres (could be a mafia trying to do something else) but is merely interested in lynching whoever the best target is at the time.

If he was mafia wanting a bandwagon on Aeres, there is no reason to make a post cautioning the town that he might be a VI.

[r]Hell bent hehe perhaps you forgot all his other posts then? He’s just about as hell bent as you can get… did you already forget the LAL shit? Other than that he does make a good point here, why did Aeres vote for himself?[/r]


amber made a dumb mistake here : /

maybe i should read through ambers posts

Well that's the end of YM's posts.

I think youngminii is a pro-town player. Amber's attempts to metagame and make youngminii look mafia for it were pathetic and fell flat on their face. He has shown that he is willing to consider a better target than Aeres should it arise, and his arguments against Aeres in the first place are mostly good ones. Aside from that he's contributed other useful posts throughout the thread.

Now I'll talk about the lynch dodge. I know of three roles that can dodge lynches:
unlynchable (either mafia or town)
saulus (mafia)
judas (town)

The unlynchable does not get lynched the first time he is lynched. The second time it will work.

The saulus is a mafia player that when lynched the first time becomes town. I consider this an OP role because the saulus can then release the mafia list, unless the saulus is a player intentionally kept in the dark about who else is mafia.

the judas is a town player that when lynched the first time becomes mafia. Opposite of Saulus. My main concern for youngminii is that this is his role.

It is also possible that a bus type of role acted on youngminii/SiN or that a pardoner type role was somehow involved. Ultimately speculation is nonconclusive and i'd be highly suspicious of further attempts to force youngminii to roleclaim.

You say he probably just made an honest mistake? what makes you believe this? I feel I've pointed out a huge inconsistency in Aeres' defense and everyone seems to be ignoring it.

Regarding Pandains post; I don't think we should lynch Doc H tonight, he's still to valuable if he's telling the truth. We need to lynch either Aeres or YM, I've already stated I think YM should be lynched because I think he's more likely to be scum but if we lynch Aeres and he flips town then it tells us just about the same thing as a YM lynchwhere he flips scum: we need to look at Doc H.

Ive seen divine around that fucking lurker, feel free to bandwagon him.

Divine voted for me as mayor

Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.

I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.

And would it be selfish or scummy to ask for that vaccine if it hasnt already been dished out?

Investigate me all the way, but i suggest if we have a PD to make sure i dont start spreading AIDS everywhere.

My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me.

I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.

Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.

I did not withdraw my candidacy, I merely stated that fishball's plan was similar to mine, and if alot of the town thought him the better candidate I would not have a problem, but after reading into it and stating my opinions, I still want to be mayor, because

1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening.
2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas.
3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red)

Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working.

Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it?
This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions.

I am not in Fishball's circle. I have an ability to form a town circle of my choosing. I already choose my first person.

I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on.

It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him.

On November 04 2010 15:03 Coagulation wrote:
i noticed im on a couple shitlists also

On November 05 2010 13:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
DC, one thing didn't make sense to me. Why did you role claim bodyguard on night 1? If the mafia decide to kill you, your mad hunter role is wasted.

On November 08 2010 03:05 infinitestory wrote:

Not necessarily. Only if you think it'll help your defense. >__>

On November 08 2010 08:34 Nemesis wrote:

Hmm well honestly I don't care who gets lynched at this point. Depending on who flips what, the next day lynch is quite clear.

On November 08 2010 15:58 infinitestory wrote:
Ok then. I can't find a hole in your story, and kitaman's investigations are just too correct for me to fault him quite yet (plus, if he were mafia and really wanted to get rid of you, he would almost certainly have came out and said directly that you're scum instead of providing the correct description of what happened)

So who else is on your scumdar right now? (don't include kitaman, as I don't want this argument looping around anymore)

On November 08 2010 16:13 kitaman27 wrote:


Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him.

On November 10 2010 05:35 infinitestory wrote:
*ebwop: i mean completely unjustified in the sense that meapak was a legitly better lynch, and a lot of people decided to just ignore that fact >_______>

On November 10 2010 08:44 LSB wrote:
Guys I'd like to congratulate you all for making this the largest thread in the Mafia forum since TL Mafia 2.

(only 3100+ posts to go!)

On November 11 2010 01:55 Nemesis wrote:

Dun Dun Dun, three of the four unconfirmed people banding together with three mafias left. Coincidence? I think not.

I'm off for now, I have a midterm today and somehow I'm wasting my time here.

On November 11 2010 11:57 Nemesis wrote:
Also, where the hell is everyone? It just feels too quiet in here, it's weird. :X