On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote:
bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning
are you pro Bandwagon
or Anti bandwagon

plz explain

This made me think, Pandain and bumatlarge currently have the most votes (for whatever that's worth) so perhaps they should have a mini debate where they answer questions from the voters (no mafia allowed :D). I would like to ask both candidates their positions on role claiming, when (if ever) is role claiming neccesary? If you believe role claiming is necessary then how would you factor in not knowing all of the roles in this game?

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 29 2010 05:24 GMT

#264

So lemme get this straight. You set up a town council of five peope who role claim to you. Once elected you will immediately role claim yourself. I don't see how this works, are we supposed to trust that you're town? With all mayors we run the risk of electing a red but with your proposed town council it makes the damage ten times worse because you will know at least five blue roles (if you were mafia you could ensure no reds made it into your council in order to maxamize the number of blue roles learned). With no known dt (although I agree with the general assumption there are a couple) we have no way of confirming you are town once elected. Anyway because roles are unknown you could have one of your mafia cronies claim they checked you and you came up town (this could simultaneously clear you "dt").

I'm not saying you are mafia I just think your strategy is too dangerous right off the bat. I have no doubt a town circle will coalesce later but for now I'm sticking with either bum or pandain for mayor (still haven't made up my mind).

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 29 2010 05:35 GMT

#267

Yeah I know there are no PMs I just misinterpreted his original post, however I'm still not entirely comfortable with it.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 29 2010 06:27 GMT

#283

On October 29 2010 15:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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i didnt think that out very well TT

Perhaps they are both scum and bum announced so fast so that fish had time to prepare his statement and now bum backs out since fish is ready.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 29 2010 18:07 GMT

#345

After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best:

my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.

I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 29 2010 20:03 GMT

#431

I'm unvoting Pandain, I originally voted for him as a safety net in case I couldn't post. Then I decided to leave my vote with him because I felt a bandwagon was forming around Fishball and I really don't feel safe with a mayor with that much power. Now I'm unvoting Pandain because a bandwagon has formed around him in a rather suprising manner, most people are simply saying they don't want to vote for fishball therefor they are voting for Pandain. As Dr. H pointed out this is pretty suspicious. Another thing I've noticed is that of the three candidates Pandain is campaigning the least, he's even gone so far as to support Fishball. I don't know what this means but it doesn't make me confident regarding Pandain's leadership, if he wants to be mayor he should be actively promoting himself.

There's plenty of time to vote for mayor so I'm going to think long and hard about this. Dr. H is looking pretty good right now but I may go back to Pandain depending on how Dr. H's candidacy changes things.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 00:05 GMT

#541

Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 01:14 GMT

#609

Can't trust Pandain because of the massive bandwagon for him, it just sort of materialized which is a bad sign
Can't trust Fishball because his "circle" refuses to come forward making his statement seem false
Can't trust Bumatlarge because of his fast entry and even faster withdrawal once Fishball entered the race

I don't have a reason to distrust Doc H that is worse than the reasons I distrust the other candidates. Doc gets my vote for now.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 05:20 GMT

#771

Okay I believe Doc. I've reread most of his posts that explain his role several times and I'm comfortable that he's telling the truth. It sounds like his roleclaim would be suicidal for the mafia to attempt to scam. As I understand theres not really any way for the mafia to bs his roleclaim ability.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 05:25 GMT

#774

Also to the people who are meta-ing the whole sticky thing, well maybe Artanis is making an ironic connection that sticky cures people rather than infect them in this game. Really this whole sticky discusion is kind of ridiculous, people are reading waaay to much into this.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 20:52 GMT

#873

On October 31 2010 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
One thing I want to point out:

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From voting thread. Kenpachi has not posted once since the game started. Let's keep a closer eye on lurkers than we did in Haunted.

I started a list of lurkers but it's as home, if a list isn't posted by 8 or so tonigh when I get home I'll post mine.

Another quick reason why to vote for doc, he's already stated his day one lynch would be youngminii who so far has been the scummiest player.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 20:53 GMT

#876

Ugh sorry for all the misspellings, I'm on my phone.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 21:19 GMT

#886

My suspects would be
Youngminii: scummy posting
Kenpachi: stealth voting
And I still have this lingering suspicion of bumatlarge and fishball, this is probably me just being paranoid but I feel like they are related somehow. Also youngminii supports fishball, and bumatlarge has a bandwagon that uses the same platform pandain did (the "I'm not fishball" platform). These are probably baseless and I'm just inexperienced but... They just make me nervous.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 21:28 GMT

#892

It means the Tolkien elves are voting for you, you can't lose now.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 22:32 GMT

#960

I'd like to explain my "suspicious" post. I original voted pandain because I didn't feel comfortable with fishball and I wanted to vote for someone because I was afraid I might be inactive. However I have had a lot more time than I thought so I've been able to keep a closer track on what is going on. When Dr H announced his candidacy it really gave me pause because he put in words all that I felt was wrong with pandain. Since then I've been convinced by doc's arguments so I voted for him because I believe that he can prove himself town.

I'm actually a little unsure why you don't like that post.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 22:34 GMT

#963

Nvm I think you've explained it fishball.

Meapak_Ziphh

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October 30 2010 23:37 GMT

#1039

Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.