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As the town Anarchist i will not be voting for anybody. No gods! No masters! | ||
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On October 30 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote: This post makes me curious. Are you roleclaiming as this "Anarchist", or is it just a bit of flavor you're adding to your character? From what I know, refraining from participating in an election brings the same result as not participating in a lynch (modkill), so are you saying your role allows you to avoid the consequences of not voting? And if THAT'S the case, what is that saying about your alignment in this game? For all I know, you could be some sort of third party with a separate win condition. Please note that I'm not necessarily suspecting you of anything just yet; I'm simply curious as to what your post implies. I wanted to play a character, but it looks like i'd be modkilled. I thought about playing it to the death but i guess that's stupid. I'll vote. | ||
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He's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town. | ||
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Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way. Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. read my last sentence role != alignment not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:59 infinitestory wrote: I've asked Artanis about this, and rolechecks return role name and alignment only. Does not include the details of the role pm, but critically does include alignment. If possible, I hope he can confirm this in thread. Ohshit. Very good, thanks for asking. I hadn't even considered that it would return alignment as well. DTs are a lot more powerful in this than I anticipated | ||
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I'm voting for bumatlarge in order to tighten up the race, since its hard to deduce anything from landslide elections. Bum never had a bandwagon either, which is some consolation. At this point if Dr. H is elected, it's not a bad thing. If he's mafia, he's revealed so much about himself that it will be easy to catch a lie. If he's not mafia, then we don't have to worry about the possibility of a mafia mayor since rolechecks are awesome in this round. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:54 Ace wrote: @Infundibulum: Let a Detective investigate them. this is true but a detective still needs to find an outlet for his information if he doesnt want to claim asap so we wouldn't know for a few cycles, in all likelihood | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:18 Node wrote: Consider that he never voted "legitimately", though. I'm not sure what's going on here... it's either a horrid mod screw-up (in which case I think we should be informed) or there's more than one role of that variety, perhaps one that has to vote town. No, that doesn't make sense because a town variety doesn't know who his fellow townies are. | ||
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On October 31 2010 11:15 annul wrote: HEY PEOPLE listen up if you have an investigative role, you should consider using it on yourself night 1 this way, if for example you know youre blue DT and you check yourself and come back red, you know you are insane DT. that isn't how insane DT's work. | ||
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On November 02 2010 03:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: I feel like the +1 kill may be something from the mods. Since Node "forsees" the death of one player each day, this could be controlled by Artanis. How it works, I have no idea. In Brownbear's death, it says he just dropped dead. Yes there could be some hints in the post, but this is the death that Node predicted. I am not forgetting the possibility that Node is Mafia and knows who will die each day, but it seems that Brownbear just died, not that he was killed by anyone. It's probably not exclusively from the mods because then theres no way to get rid of it. I imagine something like a mafia member whose ability is that a random townie dies each night, and Node foresees this. | ||
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On November 03 2010 00:21 Nemesis wrote: Exactly. I thought we were supposed to lynch people for being SCUM, not for lying. This is a bit of a ridiculous policy. Why must it be one way or the other? We have to consider things case by case, not handle them all the same. Lynch all Liars is a metagame policy that extends beyond just this round of mafia. I still have trouble coming to terms with it because last game I was in LAL got a couple townies lynched. Because they lied and fucked up the town, and mafia pushed LAL on them. Even so, as a long term policy LAL can and will discourage these lying plays on both sides, town and mafia and so it should be used. As for Aeres, I'm guessing if lynched he's going to flip town. There's less of a motive for claiming BG as a mafia, since the purpose of claiming BG is to draw a hit and the mafia won't hit itself. The other thing is mafia completely ignored 666's bodyguard softclaim, for whatever reason. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote: So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative? Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless. I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor. IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: I guess im stupid then. With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation That doesn't make sense. So the only you thing you sent was "Be careful, he's red." ?? it doesn't make any sense out of context without the first sentence | ||
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On November 05 2010 05:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: Players should get a ban for saying "I lost interest" when a game is clearly interesting to follow lol. Why ban when you can lynch? | ||
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On November 05 2010 05:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree. I think DC should put his bombs on coag/nemesis for that reason. I also think we should vig hit DC rather than lynch him. Better to waste a vig hit than a lynch imo Doesn't DC already have a bomb on Coag, who is getting lynched today? I don't know the specifics of DC's mad hatter role, but usually the MH can either move 1 bomb at night or place 1 bomb, but not both. It might be different in Artanis' game. Also has DC clarified the number of bombs he has total? Meaning we might want to hold off on killing him until maximum # of bombs are placed. This depends on how soon LYLO is coming up though (i haven't done the calculations) - if LYLO is soon then we should probably kill DC by vigi or by double lynch. At this point DC could put bombs on Pandain, Nemesis, or Hyperbola, my preference is on Hyperbola followed by Pandain. I sort of agree that a vig hit is better, but two vigis are already dead and we don't know if there's another. At this point the vig, if there is one, could hit DC tonight and then we double lynch the other remaining targets tomorrow. If there's no other vig's it's probably not a huge deal, and lynching lets us analyze vote lists anyway. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Election] + Doctorhelvetica: 14 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Node Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Hyperbola Masq (L) Ace Lexpar deconduo infundibulum youngminii KtheZ Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI kingjames01: 1 annul: 1 kitaman27: 1 kitaman27 Glasse: 1 Glasse infinitestory: 1 infinitestory ghrur (Beneather: 1 ghrur (Beneather) NB: 1 NB Not voted yet: 3 lol1221 (RoL), + Show Spoiler [Day 2 Votes] + Day 2 - Final votes Ace youngminii Coagulation DoctorHelvetica +Mayor Vote Amber[LighT] Kitaman27 Lexpar infundibulum Node CubEdIn LunarDestiny KtheZ Beneather Youngminii: 8 Meapak_Ziphh infinitestory deconduo Kenpachi DCLXVI RebirthOfLegend Nemesis NB Veldril CubEdIn: 1 L DoctorHelvetica: 1 Glasse Glasse: 1 Node: 1 Hyperbola ghrur (Beneather): 1 ghrur (Beneather) Jcarlsoniv: 1 Elder Vote ( Still to vote: 3 Pandain (Negated), Divinek, Misder, Fishball Aeres to be lynched, Divinek, Misder and Fishball to be modkilled. | ||
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On November 05 2010 13:16 DCLXVI wrote: So I should get lynched tomorrow then ideally yes. there might be some consideration of medic protecting you since mafia could try to roleblock/hit (if roleblocker is mafia oriented.... which it usually is) | ||
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On November 08 2010 04:39 infinitestory wrote: infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p | ||
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My role was called the "Paranoid Gun Owner," however it did not function as a traditional PGO and worked in a different way. When I roleclaimed with my information in order to out a false claim from the reds, the mafia instantly jumped on the fact that the way my PGO role functioned was different from the standard, and said that therefore I was lying. They successfully got me lynched, even though I was telling the truth,* and I don't know why the host called it PGO when it didn't work like a traditional PGO but that's how it went. Seem familiar? Sometimes hosts have roles with similar names but different functionality. *at some point during this citi.zen took over my role because I missed a vote, but he still had the same role name etc. | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: Inf admitted he hasn't used his role. You come out and say Inf never performed a Night Action. my role can only do an action during Day. | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:13 kitaman27 wrote: Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him. if nobody counterclaims, then the odds don't matter | ||
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i did, i just got back from work. | ||
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I barely scraped by on this one. I have a bad habit of thinking I'll always be back in time to vote (i also thought it was 9 est for the deadline and not 9 KST), so yeah i barely scraped by | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:27 Glasse wrote: :3 im so sure hes red it still boggles me that out of all the detectives not one checked Ace all game (unless there's an unclaimed DT out there) | ||
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Infundibulum: Checked town by DT Pandain: Checked town by DT Infinitestory: Checked town by DT Amber[LighT]: Checked town by DT (i think?) Ace: sort-of claimed a sort-of vigilante hit on deconduo Node: Claimed Oracle let me know if i forgot anyone + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Election] + Doctorhelvetica: 14 LunarDestiny Node* Meapak_Ziphh Veldril Amber[LighT]* Kenpachi Masq (L) Ace* infundibulum* youngminii Pandain: 3 Nemesis Pandain* DCLXVI: 1 kingjames01: 1 annul: 1 kitaman27: 1 kitaman27 Glasse: 1 Glasse infinitestory: 1 infinitestory* ghrur (Beneather: 1 NB: 1 NB Not voted yet: 3 lol1221 (RoL), + Show Spoiler [Day 2 Votes] + Day 2 - Final votes Ace* youngminii DoctorHelvetica +Mayor Vote Amber[LighT] Kitaman27 infundibulum* Node* LunarDestiny Youngminii: 8 Meapak_Ziphh infinitestory* Kenpachi RebirthOfLegend Nemesis NB Veldril CubEdIn: 1 L DoctorHelvetica: 1 Glasse Glasse: 1 Node: 1 ghrur (Beneather): 1 Jcarlsoniv: 1 Elder Vote ( Still to vote: 3 Pandain (Negated), Divinek, Misder, Fishball Aeres to be lynched, Divinek, Misder and Fishball to be modkilled. + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + Pandain (10) Youngminii Kenpachi infundibulum* Meapak_Ziphh LunarDestiny L Kitaman27 Coagulation (15) Lynched infinitestory Node* Nemesis Ace* Pandain* Veldril NB ROL Glasse SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE Hyperbola (1) Amber[Light]* Double Lynch has passed + Show Spoiler [Day 4 Votes] + Hyperbola (9) RebirthOfLeGenD Amber[LighT]* NB Meapak_Ziphh Node* Nemesis LunarDestiny Ace* KtheZ (7)* Nemesis Veldril Pandain NB kitaman27 L Pandain (7) youngminii RebirthOfLeGenD Kenpachi infinitestory* Ace* Infundibulum* Ace (5) Node* LunarDestiny Glasse Kenpachi Pandain* Kenpachi (4) Meapak_Ziphh Glasse Amber[LighT]* kitaman27 Meapak_Ziphh (2) infinitestory* Veldril Nemesis (2) L Infundibulum* kitaman27 (1) KtheZ NB (1) NB Double Lynch (9/9) RebirthOfLeGenD Pandain* Node Amber[LighT]* Nemesis Glasse LunarDestiny Infundibulum* Players who need to vote twice (1) youngminii *lynched because he reached 7 votes first. Youngminii will be spared as he did make one vote. Hyperbola and KtheZ to be lynched. Last edit: 2010-11-09 09:24:35 Double lynch activated for day 5. I accidentally posted this in the voting thread at first. up to mods if i should leave it there or if it can be deleted | ||
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wait. let's be clear on this. you guys sent a kill on deconduo? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:37 Amber[LighT] wrote: wait what?! Why didn't you come forward during the day?! my thoughts exactly. | ||
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If you are telling the truth, then you should be afraid of no argument from the lying claimer. The lying claimer must fabricate and weave words; the truth in its clarity inevitably becomes obvious over time. | ||
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** = checked mafia *** = checked 3rd party + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Election] + Doctorhelvetica: 14 LunarDestiny*** Node* Meapak_Ziphh Kenpachi** Masq (L) infundibulum* youngminii Pandain: 3 Nemesis* Pandain* DCLXVI: 1 kingjames01: 1 annul: 1 kitaman27: 1 Glasse: 1 Glasse*** infinitestory: 1 infinitestory* ghrur (Beneather: 1 NB: 1 NB Not voted yet: 3 lol1221 (RoL), + Show Spoiler [Day 2 Votes] + Day 2 - Final votes youngminii infundibulum* Node* LunarDestiny* Youngminii: 8 Meapak_Ziphh infinitestory* Kenpachi** Nemesis* NB CubEdIn: 1 L DoctorHelvetica: 1 Glasse Glasse: 1 Node: 1 ghrur (Beneather): 1 Jcarlsoniv: 1 Elder Vote ( Still to vote: 3 Pandain (Negated), Divinek, Misder, Fishball Aeres to be lynched, Divinek, Misder and Fishball to be modkilled. + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + Pandain (10) Youngminii Kenpachi** infundibulum* Meapak_Ziphh LunarDestiny*** L Coagulation (15) Lynched infinitestory Node* Nemesis* Pandain* NB Glasse* SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE Hyperbola (1) Double Lynch has passed + Show Spoiler [Day 4 Votes] + Hyperbola (9) NB Meapak_Ziphh Node* Nemesis* LunarDestiny*** KtheZ (7)* Nemesis* Pandain* NB L Pandain (7) youngminii Kenpachi** infinitestory* Infundibulum* Ace (5) Node* LunarDestiny*** Glasse*** Kenpachi** Pandain* Kenpachi (4) Meapak_Ziphh Glasse Meapak_Ziphh (2) infinitestory* Nemesis (2) L Infundibulum* kitaman27 (1) NB (1) NB Double Lynch (9/9) Pandain* Node* Nemesis* Glasse*** LunarDestiny*** Infundibulum* Players who need to vote twice (1) youngminii *lynched because he reached 7 votes first. Youngminii will be spared as he did make one vote. Hyperbola and KtheZ to be lynched. Last edit: 2010-11-09 09:24:35 Double lynch activated for day 5. Kenpachi is a possible lynch based on Pandain's check. His voting record: Day 1: DrH Day 2: Youngminii Day 3: Pandain Day 4: Ace Based on this we have some unconfirmed players: youngminii L NB Meapak Let's look at their voting records: Youngminii Day 1: Fishball Day 2: Aeres Day 3: Pandain* Day 4: Pandain* One thing to note about YM is that at least 3 reds wagoned on him on Day 2. After this was unsuccessful the hype around YM pretty much died down. L Day 1: DrH Day 2: Cubedin (blue) Day 3: Pandain* [2 mafia on this list] Day 4: Nemesis, KtheZ Most important here is the vote on KtheZ. NB Day 1: NB Day 2: Youngminii [2 mafia on this vote list] Day 3: Coagulation Day 4: NB It's hard to read anything from this guys votes, but the vote on YM is a standout to me. Meapak Day 1: DrH Day 2: Day 2: Youngminii [2 mafia on this vote list] Day 3: Pandain* Day 4: Kenpachi Interestingly he voted for kenpachi on Day 4. This doesn't necessarily say anything about his innocence though. ---- Youngminii I'm going to wager is blue, based on the vote train on him on Day 2. I don't think RoL thought he would die. I'm undecided whether he was bussing Pandain or if Pandain is actually just blue and played rather poorly for the first couple days. What is notable is that neither Ace nor RoL were the godfather. This is rather interesting; either the mafia made an unconventional GF choice or there is no Godfather. This leaves the possibility open for Pandain to be Godfather still. The most important decision we face today is whether we trust Pandain to be legit and vote for kenpachi. To note is that there has been suspicion on kenpachi all game (e.g. "I love reading mafia", then "I don't have time to read the thread," followed by not voting for a checked Red in Coagulation which would activate his supposed powers). Pandain's random checks so far have all been very convenient. My preliminary suggestion is to lynch Kenpachi, for being checked, and NB for not doing shit all game and getting away with it. | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:06 Kenpachi wrote: Imo, there are 3 possibilities 1. Pandain is fucking red 2. theres a flaw in pandain's role 3. Someones able to frame others as mafia nothing in my role is flawed to lead him to find me as a red Good point about the possibility of a framer. How does Pandain's role work exactly. The trash collector, right? Does it just report alignment? | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:20 Nemesis wrote: Wow, I just got back, and lots of shit happened. First, NB is most likely blue. He was targetted by the random +1 kill, but he survived because he was switched with DoctorH. How does that make him most likely blue? We don't know how the random +1 kill works; it could pick among only the set of blue players or it could pick among the set of all players including reds. If the latter is true, then NB getting bussed says nothing about his alignment except that mafia wanted to kill DR. H. instead of NB. (as a side note, if mafia can bus the random kill then it isn't really random. so does this entire scenario even make any sense?) | ||
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we can be guaranteed to lynch 2 3rd party in terms of expected value for the town, lynching 3rd party might be the way to go | ||
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On November 11 2010 08:52 L wrote: I don't see how the town can win unless mrus rapes the mafia team if mafia gains control of the lynch tomorrow. Its pretty irrelevant if the requirement is everyone dead instead of numerical superiority. so what do you think the best course of action is then? lynch the 3rd party? the problem is there are no more double lynches afterwards | ||
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Voting pandain/kenpachi is stupid because only one will flip red. I'd also like to point out the NB still isn't contributing and is voting for kenpachi and himself. i dont know how it could be any more obvious that he's red but nobody seems to give a shit :\ kenpachi is as good as dead it looks like. this leaves the choice between pandain, L, and Nemesis. a no brainer, my vote goes on nemesis because L is like the only active contributor. this is probably gg. | ||
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then it probably makes no sense to lynch him because Kenpachi confirms pandain one way or the other | ||
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i fixed it | ||
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On November 12 2010 07:53 Nemesis wrote: Lololol, why the hell are people actually voting me? 1. A confirmed detective comes and say that someone is red. 2. Lynch Detective and people who he checked blue. 3. ???? You are falling for the same trap we all fell too during the Ace/kitaman incident except this one is even more obvious. Although, granted we only fell for that because someone didn't claim to actually have done the hit -.- And yes, I am actually a plague doctor. Can't help it now that node has basically revealed my role. These are the people I protected Night 2 - DCLXVI Night 3 - Node Night 4 - Infinitestory(I was roleblocked) Note plague doctors can't do anything the first night night. you're not going to get lynched. i realized the error of my ways pretty quickly | ||
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On November 12 2010 07:57 LunarDestiny wrote: Nemesis dying mean almost nothing. not to your side. | ||
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i could have saved nemesis but i had a brainfart and saved L | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:33 L wrote: You realize we didn't use our secret vote, right? We coulda bussed anyone as long as kenpachi was up there. ah yeah i forgot you still had that. but it doesn't excuse me from being retarded | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:37 youngminii wrote: MODKILL HIM BEFORE NIGHT ENDS PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEASE fuck you too :\ | ||
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On November 12 2010 23:44 LSB wrote: What did you guys think about the role? Like? Dislike? Roles should be more/less powerful? i liked a lot of the roles. I personally felt like mine was rather underpowered at first, only being able to move a vote from one person to myself. But I guess with multiple vote riggers, you don't want each one to be individually too strong. And there were a couple times where if I gone with my intuition/been smarter, my role prob could have got a mafia lynched. Don't really mean to complain, and I like the role of vote rigger in general, just that in comparison to some of the other roles this game it seemed a little, well, lackluster :p | ||
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