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On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote:
Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game?
I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 11:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious Does it matter? It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet. I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am? Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt? I'll think about it. Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote.
I cannot have a scumbuddy do the actions of my role since the role confirms my identity to a player I choose at night.
By having scumbuddies claim I confirmed to them at night, I am essentially forced to constantly our the identities of my own scumbuddies. A disastrous play if I were to be lynched and flip red.
Basically the person I confirm to will know it was me who confirmed to them. Artanis will send the PM to them, it can't be faked.
The other aspect of my ability is to determine who does and doesn't have murrayitis. As I'm sure you can tell this would be crucial in coordinating plague doctors.
But Dr.H, mafia will know who has murrayitis?
Correct. But why would I have someone infected with murrayitis then tell the plague doctor to cure them? That's is ridiculous play, to constantly nullify your own night actions for the sake of innocence.
I believe the fact that I would have to out my entire team over the course of the game proves it won't be a mafia fake. I will claim every single time I confirm to someone.
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On October 30 2010 13:18 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:12 Glasse wrote:
Just stating, in a weird way, that you have no credibility to me. ok would you like to back that statement up or are you just going to keep saying meaningless nonsense All you said did not prove anything. There is nothing to believe. You could of easily made everything up. Also your role does not make any sense, those 2 different actions you can do are not linked together at all, and the name sticky doesn't sound right for it either. I guess i can't really back it up but all the nonsense i said earlier meant as much as everything you said about why you should be mayor.
They are linked together.
No it didn't. I can prove my role is what it is. You can't. You're saying I can't prove anything and that I can make it all up.
Why don't you refute the points I make here:
On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous.
Let's say I am mafia.
I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion.
I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off.
I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.
An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote.
In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake.
So for me to pull this off all of the following are true:
I am mafia
I am godfather
I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught
I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility.
Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for:
extra vote
immunity to vigs
and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor:
guaranteed DT visit
immense pressure/scrutiny from town
it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate.
I mean specifically, with logic and reason. Don't just say "well you can make that all up" because that's not a real argument and you can toss that kind of bullshit onto anybody. It isn't a real argument.
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I already responded to him.....
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On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off.
Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really...  Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading. top medic targets should be: ace bumatlarge fishball Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable.
So why is it important that you're mayor?
I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself.
How can I be sure you are town?
+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous.
Let's say I am mafia.
I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion.
I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off.
I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.
An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote.
In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake.
So for me to pull this off all of the following are true:
I am mafia
I am godfather
I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught
I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility.
Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for:
extra vote
immunity to vigs
and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor:
guaranteed DT visit
immense pressure/scrutiny from town
it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated.
Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone.
Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
I am not plague doctor. I can not cure murrayitis, I can determine 100% who has it. Thus I can direct plague doctors to act reliably.
I might as well say how my power works. Once during the night I can poke someone. They will be informed that they were poked by me. Artanis sends this PM. If the poke is successful, I am told and this means they do not have M-rus. A person with M-rus cannot be poked and I will be told by Artanis that they have murrayitis.
This is why earlier in the thread (much earlier) i said there was a 1/39 chance my confirmation would fail.
Also I am completely immune to M-Rus, I can not be infected with it under any circumstance.
Plague doctors should not protect me. This will free up more doctors to protect more people. By giving me immunity from night kills, medics won't have to waste their time on me, even though I'm a big target to mafia, and they can play more effectively.
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On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims.
I can't directly quote a role PM but the idea is that "I gained life from Bill Murrays death"
Although I doubt there is a clue in the death post from a separate game. That seems really far fetched. I forgot about that post hahaha I guess the name makes sense now. Since my action is called "poking" it would make sense since a stick pokes people.
Looks like my role makes sense now Glasse, sorry bro.
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also m-rus does not kill people the night after afaik, but if half the town is infected mafia win.
can artanis confirm this?
this post is @bumatlarge who claimed it was dangerous to come out with a medic list. i disagree becuase it doesn't matter who gets infected with m-rus but how reliable myself and the plague doctors are in identifying the targets
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On October 30 2010 13:37 Glasse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 13:26 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote:
Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game?
I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 11:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious Does it matter? It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet. I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am? Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt? I'll think about it. Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. Kingjames raises a lot of valid points. DrH, you're avoiding his answers and just focusing on Glasse, who's obviously an idiot. What is your response to KingJames' comments? I didn't insult you, why would you insult me? Acting and being are 2 different things...
dont try to be chezinu in this game
there can be only one...
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On October 30 2010 13:40 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
also m-rus does not kill people the night after afaik, but if half the town is infected mafia win.
can artanis confirm this?
You are half right murryatis does not kill people the night after
If over half of the players are infected, all players with murryatis dieSo there is a chance that the town will have enough members to keep on playing. Or if the mafia all is infected, it could result in town victory
Thanks for clarifying.
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On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky.
sticky is a stick
I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker.
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if you guys want further confirmation that I am town and not mafia and that I have the role I say I do just look at my old posts in concern to node where I allude to my role in hopes he would pick up on the clue (thinking he had the same role as me at the time)
this would be an insane amount of foresight for a mafia to have.
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers.
Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting
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On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.
You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game
pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.
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what else do I need to do to convince you I'm town short of cheating and posting my role pm i mean really T_T
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On October 30 2010 14:02 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers. Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting I think you misread my post. What I said is that if you're the one infected, and you can find reds that are infected, you would still be able to show the murrayitis numbers decrease while piling up the disease on townies. It's a hypothetical scenario though, no need to be defensive about it. I'm not nearly convinced it's true yet. What I want is collaboration to find a satisfactory (non-WIFOM) method to confirm DrH in this case. I hope to ACTUALLY have FULL 100% faith in the person I give my mayoral vote to.
I see. This is a pretty unlikely scenario.
For this to be true, it means Artanis tricked me.
My solution: Plague Doctor visits the first person I confirm to. If I didn't infect them that will be immdiately apparent.
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On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.
I was told I was given new life after the death of bill murray and as a result am immune to the disease of murrayitis.
That is why a plague doctor must check my first confirmed target. If they are "cured" of murrayitis then I will never use my night action and hopefully no one will ever be infected.
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On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
In the words of Antoine Dodson
"You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real."
kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis
i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least.
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On October 30 2010 14:19 kingjames01 wrote:
At least, this is creating a good discussion.
I hope this doesn't get lost by the morning. I want people to see this and think about it. At the moment, DrH has a lot of support for the position of mayor.
I'm unwilling to elect someone called "Sticky" when it's so clear that Sticky was intimately connected with Bill Murray's death and, therefore, also intimately tied with Murrayitis. What better way to spread a disease than to poke someone with an infected stick?
if that is the case i have an insane role
however considering I am being told that bill murrays death has given me new life resulting in immunity from m-rus i really really doubt this is the case
this can also be easily confirmed by plague doctor play and then i can stop the spread of m-rus completely ALTOGETHER
even so, electing me is a win/win scenario for the town
and you're getting really really meta
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On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.
again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia
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It seems like you're trying to use this pretty far out possibility as a point against me.
The same sort of arguments could be applied to almost any player, that their role could be INSANE and unhelpful and all that jazz.
I think I've done enough to prove to you guys that I'm on your side as town.
You're pressing it so hard it's almost suspicious ;0 although i understand not wanting to leave any stone of possibility unturned
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On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all.
I agree. No matter who has M-Rus they should be cured, to prevent its spread.
As far as checkin whether or not I am the origin of m-rus it's as simple as having one plague doctor visit my first confirmee.
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