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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 14:30 GMT
#1826
On November 01 2010 23:18 Lexpar wrote:
Glasse give it a fucking rest.


Lexpar, I would like if you responded to my post:


On November 01 2010 22:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote:
I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think?

We can trust DocH. We should work with him.


I would like you to clarify for us. Why should we trust Dr.H? Give us a reason. Your posts thus far have been vague and largely unhelpful.

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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 15:33 GMT
#1833
On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres

There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.

Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.

I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.

I don't even... What?

I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.


Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 15:57 GMT
#1839
On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:
On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres

There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.

Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.

I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.

I don't even... What?

I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.


Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?

It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness.

As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me.


See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions.

But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 16:03 GMT
#1842
On November 02 2010 01:00 Glasse wrote:
I don't see how lynching you now that the damage has been done is a smart idea, unless you are red trying to make us think you are town by offering yourself and hoping people like me and jcarl react the way we are reacting right now.

This is confusing

purr
:3


I've considered this, obviously, and I do think it is quite possible. Which is why I won't be forgetting it, but I'm not gonna get hung up on it either.

It's ok kitty cat *pets Glasse*
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 16:04 GMT
#1843
On November 02 2010 01:02 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:
On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:
On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres

There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.

Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.

I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.

I don't even... What?

I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.


Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?

It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness.

As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me.


See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions.

But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide?

You know what, you're right. I'm not gonna give (you) up, because I'd just be letting (you) down and deserting (you) the town. My lack of defense is spineless at best.

When I get home from school and can stop using my iPhone to make posts, I'll do some analyses on fishy players. Until then, I'm unvoting myself.


10 POINTS FROM AERES

I cannot let you get away with rick rolling so easily
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 16:15 GMT
#1847
On November 02 2010 01:10 Aeres wrote:
Something tells me L is embellishing a bit about the womenz.


pfffft I doubt it.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 16:44 GMT
#1851
On November 02 2010 01:31 LSB wrote:
We will now be operating under smurf rules
Cause BC is a sleazy man.

Smurf Rules
Undeclared smurf
While the game is in operation, you may not discuss the game with anyone on your real account at all.

All smurfs are considered undeclared unless declared

Declared Smurfs
You must declare your status, and real account to the mods prior to the game

You must inform people of who your smurf account is before discussing the game with your real account

You are bound by the same rules that your smurf is bound by (no PMing others unless allowed, ect.)


?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 18:38 GMT
#1861
On November 02 2010 03:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Is anyone willing to consider the possibility that mafia aren't the ones spreading the plague? A lot of people are operating the assumption that mafia are the ones spreading M-rus (as did I, originally interpreting 2+1 as 2 killers + 1 m-rus spreader) but we already know that's not the case since 3 die in a night and because of nodes role


I feel like the +1 kill may be something from the mods. Since Node "forsees" the death of one player each day, this could be controlled by Artanis. How it works, I have no idea. In Brownbear's death, it says he just dropped dead. Yes there could be some hints in the post, but this is the death that Node predicted.

I am not forgetting the possibility that Node is Mafia and knows who will die each day, but it seems that Brownbear just died, not that he was killed by anyone.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 01 2010 23:47 GMT
#1934
On November 02 2010 08:27 infinitestory wrote:
1) There may not be a godfather. That's true. But it's better IMO to operate under the assumption that there is, rather than the assumption that there isn't. If there is a godfather, and we assume there isn't, that can be devastating. If there isn't a godfather, and we assume there is, then the harm is less.

2) We're not assuming M-Rus is a mafia ability. M-RUS IS A MAFIA ABILITY.
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Mayor Artanis of Insania was quickly overwhelmed by the effects of Murrayitis. It quickly became clear that the Mafia had somehow harnessed the power of Murrayitis and planned to use it against the town.

3) I find it ever so slightly contradictory that you campaigned based on "I can confirm 100% my role, but none of the other candidates can confirm 100% that they're blue." But now, once you're elected mayor, you're pushing the idea that all of the main candidates are blue, without even a single confirmation. If you trust that there are no reds amongst the main mayor candidates, you should trust Pandain too, right?



Thank you!! I was looking for this earlier because I could have sworn I remembered reading something like that, but I must have missed it when I was skimming the Day1 post. I was starting to think that maybe it wasn't a Mafia power, but it seems that it is =(

Regarding the Aeres/youngminii bandwagons:
I hate bandwagons...it really shows that some people aren't thinking for themselves, and it really lets Mafia hide behind the votes.

I would like to take a closer look at people like Lexpar and Kenpachi - their posts have no real content, and they lurk somewhat.

Kenpachi claims to only read posts with his name, which is possible, but as soon as his name pops up, he just tries to brush it away saying he's lazy and such.

Lexpar is very fishy to me. His posts have only generated confusion, even though they are few and far between. One post before night ended said "If I die, Dr.H is most likely red." I want to know more about this. Why? What reason should we ever have to believe this? To me, this just seems like scum trying to throw Dr.H under the bus with no content. This is probably worse than the awful argument between Dr.H and Pandain. Lexpar needs to tell us more.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 03:44 GMT
#2042
On November 02 2010 12:40 Lexpar wrote:
Basically you're asking me to role claim, which I'd rather not do.

I wanted to help the town. My role, on that night, would have left me dead if Dr.H was red. I'm now fairly confident that he isn't. I'd say 90%. I did post my comment a little early, so it's possible that I was role-blocked, or maybe some other ability was deployed that negated mine. I find those less than likely.

It was said that by making my post (If I die tonight the Doc is scum) I was negating that post. You guys automatically assumed that by posting I would die and you'd have to deal with the fact that either I was lying as a red and framing DocH or was telling the truth. You didn't consider the fact that I might live through the night. As it happens I am alive. I'm interested as to what you guys think of that.

I'll say that if I die from now on out DocH had nothing to do with it (Unless of course he votes to lynch me :p).

I hope that helps explain things a bit.


I wasn't asking you to role claim, this is pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear from you. Elaboration is the town's friend.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 03:47 GMT
#2043
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote:
hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight!
we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!

who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....

Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 03:48 GMT
#2044
EBWOP

ZOMG I'M A HYDRALISK
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 04:03 GMT
#2050
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote:
hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight!
we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!

who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....

Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 04:05 GMT
#2054
On November 02 2010 13:03 Beneather wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 12:53 Coagulation wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:48 Beneather wrote:
That was a very confusing post right there. From what evidence did you have that DocH and what was the point of saying that if you die DocH was a scum. The part that I do not understand in your post is that your changing your mind. That you do not want to be killed so you may be a scum for "trying to frame DocH" But as you notice that DocH may not be killed since the topic has changed on to different suspects you have changed your mind because you wanted DocH to be killed. This may be the evidence that you are a scum.

Sorry if this did not make sense its my first time!


huh? can you word this better?


Alright I shall try.

From lexpar post he had changed his mind from saying that if he dies DocH was scum without any information towards his statement. Trying to put the people's attention towards DocH (In my head trying to lynch him) But once the topic had changed from DocH to the other suspects he had changed his mind posting again to clarify this. In my head I am thinking that he was trying to get rid of DocH so we have lost a mayor and that he was an important role. If you look at his other posts he has just been accusing people with little background to support his statements. If you do accuse somebody should you not have background against them?

This is much harder than I expected but gets the brain thinking and is fun nonetheless


I didn't see it as trying to get Doc lynched that night, but if Lex died, then Doc should be looked at to be lynched Day 2.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 04:10 GMT
#2057
On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote:
hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight!
we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!

who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....

Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...



so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people?
really?
thats as anti town as it gets.


Was I accusing him? No.

I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.

Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 04:16 GMT
#2059
On November 02 2010 13:14 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 02 2010 13:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
[quote]
Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...



so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people?
really?
thats as anti town as it gets.


Was I accusing him? No.

I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.

Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.


im not trying to paint you anti town. but dont pretend that trying to put eye of suspicion on people because you feel left out is a good way to help town.


Feeling left out isn't the lead persuasion for wanting to search for other targets. Wanting to expand the discussion is.

While I know it is likely there are some blues lurking/being inactive, I would say that it is almost certain there are lurking mafia. This scares me because they can just sit back while people like Doc/Pandain/YM/infinite bicker and split the town into to halves.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 04:17 GMT
#2060
On November 02 2010 13:14 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 02 2010 13:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
[quote]
Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...



so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people?
really?
thats as anti town as it gets.


Was I accusing him? No.

I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.

Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.


im not trying to paint you anti town. but dont pretend that trying to put eye of suspicion on people because you feel left out is a good way to help town.


But also, I can see how you felt the way you did. I apologize.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 12:00 GMT
#2088
On November 02 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
BLAARH BLAHBLAH BLARBBLAB LBLABLARBLAR
BLAHBLAH BLERP BLA BLARPLRAPRLBALERRR



Dude...


On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
I feel like you are red now because i'm obviously town.
And i can prove it.



Oh really now? I'm interested.


On November 02 2010 18:22 CubEdIn wrote:
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On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote:
Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though.


Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not.
Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well.

I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that.

What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along.

Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect.

I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick.


I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 12:48 GMT
#2095
On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote:
More of a role claim than slip i thought

i work at a radio


If you are LOONY, why would you say in the day2 post that doc is a red? What evidence do you have of that?
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Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2010 12:51 GMT
#2096
On November 02 2010 21:30 Glasse wrote:
Why would a red be able to post a small message on the day post?


Also, the red being able to post in the day post would be very suited to the mafia cause. It can cause suspicion and confusion in the town. This is exactly what mafia wants to do. Ever since I saw it, I have been under the implication that LOONY is scum.
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