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CubEdIn
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On November 03 2010 03:00 Infundibulum wrote: That doesn't make sense. So the only you thing you sent was "Be careful, he's red." ?? it doesn't make any sense out of context without the first sentence Glasse: "What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation" | ||
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CubEdIn
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As I said, I can't do much to prove it. You can have your doubts, but unless you think that I'm red, this argument is leading nowhere. Even if I HAD other abilities or there was more to my role, I wouldn't go "oh right, not that you mention it... ", would I? So why do we keep going on these steep slopes to nowhere-land? You'll see if I was lying or not when I die, it's as simple as that, but unless you think I could hurt the town, the argument is pointless. I'm not even going to discuss the "Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit" accusation, as a doctor who spreads disease is less logical than anything I said in this thread. | ||
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On November 03 2010 03:55 L wrote: Because they don't go to nowhere land. They see if you're bullshitting about your role, and thusfar you've only made my suspicions deeper. We just saw a doctor that had a chance to kill his prot target. If spreading the virus because you are an unsanitary doctor or something is far fetched, I'd imagine killing your target is even more crazy, right? So far you're standing out like a sore thumb. You only reply in the thread when people comment about your roleclaim and your roleclaim itself is messed up. You even say right here that even if you had other abilities you'd actively mislead the town about them, which makes me wonder why you bothered to hide them. If you had something legitimate to hide, it would be as simple as saying "yes, there are other strings attached, but I don't want mafia to know what they are". Your reaction here is hyper defensive too; you admit something looks weird, then you get angry when people talk about it. So yeah, stuff STILL isn't adding up. Its not necessarily your fault, because like I said before its possible that your role can be manipulated by another role. First of all, get your facts straight. I admit I haven't posted a lot, but that's because 80% of this thread is assumptions, maybes, ifs, and general bullshit caused by people like you. As I said, you can have your doubts, you can believe me or not, but you're doing absolutely 0 good by arguing with me. Feel free not to believe me, but getting from that (not just a regular townie) to this (infecting people, trying to mislead the town, etc) is a big step. And I've not only posted when people talk about my role, I posted A LOT of times (do a search, it's quite easy using TL's search function, you can see all my posts in this thread) complaining about people who only rely on maybes, instead of trying to rely on the few things in this game that COULD be facts. Let's say I lie. There's a 50-50% chance that I am, correct? That still leaves 50% that I'm telling the truth. Now are you gonna base your play on a 50% shot of me not lying, or on the very-off-chance that all the story you practically invented over the past two pages is somehow true? Which is more likely? I've been begging for reason since this game started, since we have nothing else to go on, but it seems that some people would do anything to cause chaos, wild theories, and to throw stuff off-track. I'm not saying you're mafia, but you're going through a lot of trouble to cause chaos in my opinion. So let me sum-it-up: I'm being defensive, but I'm just trying to hold this thing on it's rails. I agree with you not believing I'm telling the truth, but don't go so far as to make up stories. Just try to reason instead of derailing. Just assume I'm something else, or red, or whatever, but try and stop there, since you can't possibly know what everyone's role is, and since we don't even have a role list, you're only causing chaos. | ||
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CubEdIn
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On November 03 2010 04:39 L wrote: Way over the top on the defensive, bro. I did check your post history, in the past 30 pages its pretty much all reaction. What chaos am i creating? I stated your role doesn't make sense. I didn't say its your fault. If it isn't you that's holding back info, mafia can probably fuck with you. And that's some kinda crazy wild theory? Sorry, this offensive defense doesn't cut it. Voted for you. Yeah, I was thinking that you might vote and try to start a bandwagon shortly after I posted that. You stated my role doesn't make sense. I begged to differ, other players did as well, and that's when you started to theorize. Not just once, but you came up with many different reasons why I would be lying, all of which are based on roles that exists in your mind alone, as far as we know. That's where the wild theories are. Please remember this, your logic and where it came from, when my role will be revealed (either by death, end of game etc.). If nothing else sticks to you from this game, then let it just be this: You'd rather make up a whole imaginary scenario in your mind, and rely your game-plan on that, rather than give someone the benefit of a doubt. Back to Pan's post, it really made me think. Apart from the Dr.H accusation, which I'm not going to comment on just yet, you got me thinking. You said that if everyone were to role-claim, mafia would just start sniping people. Which is partly true, of course, but it got me thinking: As I said before, the town has only numbers going for it. No clues, no PMs, no nothing. How will important blues make their decisions? Based on what? If there's no organization at all, there's no way that the randomness of individuals will overcome the organized efforts of x people who are Mafia. They might as well start offing people alphabetically, since there's basically no chance of the town uncovering ALL of them judging by the way the game has been going. | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:47 Pandain wrote: I hate scum. Now can we please change from Aeres to Dr. H, Aeres barely has anything on him besides the fact he lied, and plainly I don't see why he would lie if mafia. What tangible gain would there be besides possibly having medics protect other people? But we know that didn't happen because mafia didn't take advantage of that and end up shooting the bodyguards/dsxcii(since they would know aeres was fake) and dr. h. Sorry, but LAL policy does not work if the lie itself does not make sense from a mafia perspective. While I agree with this posts, and some of the points you made, I disagree that lynching our mayor on day2 is a smart idea. Can we at least give him one more night? Maybe he'll make something of his role, he'll get some sort of confirmation, etc. He is one of the FEW who has claimed, so he should be easier to confirm/bury than the rest, don't you agree? It just seems unreasonable for me to lynch the mayor after one day of ruling, that is all. Please let me know what we have to lose if we give him one more night/day to perhaps clear his name? | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:12 Pandain wrote: 1.If there is a roleblocker, they'll just keep on roleblocking him. 2.If there's not(or if he is mafia), then he can just continue to claim he is/claim the other person is lying. He's claimed like, two different things that he says his role can do, but says they can't now. And I also disagree that just because he's mayor we shouldn't lynch him, on the contrary, mafia having two votes is a bane for the town. If, if, if IF! I don't see how everyone can be so oblivious to how transparent Dr. H has been. IF he's telling the truth, then he'll never be able to confirm it since mafia will keep roleblocking him. The only way we could get him to confirm is if mafia does not have roleblocker and Jcarl lied, but I find that highly unlikely. And I disagree with Dr. H being lynched not telling us about other people. It gives us insight about YM and Aeres, and in addition we can't lynch YM(I'm pretty sure he has a role which means he can't be lynched.) I know it doesn't apply to this game necessarily, but in other games you could not role-block the same person twice, correct? So this would be the night he COULD clear his name. As for 2. You are correct, but he odds of him poking a Mafia are rather small, so if he does claim that said person is lying, then it would be his misfortune.  | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:39 L wrote: Cube, feel free to read my posts. I made no 'gameplan' based on imaginary stuff. I said your role seems fishy. I asked if you were hiding something. You said no, but that even if you were, you wouldn't tell me anything (lol wut, why bother saying that?). I pressed you again because of how much you were slipping up. You then went batshit crazy. Normally I'd expect a newer town player to react like that, but you've been around the block more than once so you know better. This is the second time you overtly mischaracterize my posts. Last time someone went out of their way to do that it was Ace and he was mafia, so get your shit straight. Additionally this defense has been almost entirely composed of "I don't agree" with no rationale behind it. If other people agree that you're fishy, they can feel free to vote for you. It can't be worse than voting out Aeres to die when the entire argument group is probably town on town rape melee. You do realize that I have no fear of being voted for with less than 4 hours left. There's no way I'd get majority that fast, with this little evidence. I'm just asking you to remember this moment when roles will be revealed. I didn't go crazy, I got angry because these kind of posts are the ones that I stood up against from day one. And the fact that you don't care about the simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" and choose to go based on your own theories (doesn't really matter if they were wild or reasonable). That's what makes me irk. And this whole "he's being super defensive so he must be mafia" is pretty much bull, and very "WIFOM", and pretty much encourages lurking, but oh well. | ||
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CubEdIn
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I'm quite curious if he's village idiot, actually. It would end this game in a funny way, which to me, is better than dying slowly to mafia. But honestly, his play was hurtful to the town, that's a fact. Lynching him will discourage lies, that's also a fact. We have no SMARTER choice, at least in my opinion. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:12 L wrote: Its not a simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" its a question of how likely mods were to include a role which makes no sense, and why it wasn't just "you're a doc, maf are told who you are n1". Its also a question regarding how you reacted to it. "is he lying or not" is going to be a question that we need to ask whenever anyone says anything. Period. The more outlandish the claim, the more we're going to ask the question. In your case, I can't see a mod cooking up that role, so I fully expect that: 1) you're flat out lying 2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role 3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices. And no, he's being super defensive isn't bull. Look at the first posts I made. I outlined some possibilities and said it was odd. You're the one that rolled in and vastly exaggerated the amount of suspicion that was on you, then acted scummy like whoa. The cherry on the cake here is the statement that you aren't worried about getting voted out despite having been hyper-defensive for pages. Either you've got a voting block to pad you via fishball or mafia, or you've got a split personality. No, you just don't seem to understand me. I'm not being defensive because I fear death. Because that would prove my claim and incriminate you (since you went, are still going to great lengths to make your point). I'm being defensive because I don't think you're mafia, and I think your theories are hurting the town, making you a bad player in this case (because I agreed to some of your other posts, so I'm not saying you're a bad player in general). Here, let me add one to your list: 1) you're flat out lying 2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role 3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices. 4) you're telling the truth, and i've pretty much insulted the mods for coming up with this "dumb" role Are you even considering that one? Do you have at least a 20% shadow of a doubt in your mind that you might just be wrong with this one? | ||
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CubEdIn
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I wanted to role-claim to the one person I was most sure of being blue, and hopefully get a trust circle going. Also, you're forgetting that you said you could confirm your role and mine in night 1. That would've helped a bit, no?  | ||
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CubEdIn
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Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy. And since most of you are so fond of ifs and maybes, here's a question for you: If you were Mafia, how would you act towards my role-claim? Both you (Dr.H) and L. Is the answer "Exactly like we did so far, so that the town will get rid of you and we don't have to waste a role-blocker and a hit for one person"? Just asking. | ||
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CubEdIn
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Not focusing blame on reds, is pretty hurtful to the town. Playing based on intuition and "this role can't possibly exist in insane mafia", is hurtful to the town. And yeah, with players like you in the front lines, the Mafia has a STRONG chance of winning. I've been saying this for a long time now, it's no news. In fact, the more you assure me that you're confident in your guess, the more I look forward to dying due to your accusations, just to see how you're gonna backpedal your way out of that one. You're probably going to blame mods for creating this dumb role, and say that your reasoning was foolproof, but it's not your fault that my role was this crappy. Good luck with that! | ||
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CubEdIn
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You asked me to stop posting, but I want you to really get involved in this, so if what I say turns out to be right, then you will have a LOT harder time of clearing your name. I don't mind being lynched, but you're not getting away with being just an instigator. I want you to be sort-of the hangman, so that I'm not being lynched in vain. That is, of course, if you can get enough people to believe in your argument which relies mostly on "your role is too dumb to be true". | ||
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I don't advise people protecting me, since I'll most likely self-protect until I see someone worth protecting. Unless you think Mafia will waste both role-block and a kill point on me, in which case, I wouldn't mind. @ kita Lol. It was the red pill. Red = Doctor, Blue = Townie. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:57 L wrote: I'm super disappointed that I need to take off, but don't be too Romanian while i'm gone, cube. If your English is making you say dumb stuff, proof read before posting. Otherwise: toodles. WTF does that mean. I know I made some mistakes but I can't edit my post. However, I doubt I've gone so far as to be "misunderstood" due to my English. Besides, I'm pretty sure my English is far better than your Romanian. | ||
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On November 03 2010 07:00 L wrote: If you volunteer yourself to die to show your colour, its pretty obvious I'll be heavily implicated, which is fantastic because if you're not lying and are just intensely inept, you'll have gotten 2 blues killed, then 6 from mafia, and i'm pretty sure if we have 3 infections per day that we'll be a day away from m-rus popping. Add in modkills and the game's done. Don't see why a townie would be jonesing for the opportunity to lose the game, but whatever, you don't seem to think too much before posting. And away I go. Oh I see, so people seemed to not join your wagon based on "Role too dumb" and all of a sudden you are accepting the POSSIBILITY of me being blue ("you have gotten 2 blues killed")? Well MY MY, HOW ODD. And I'm not happy about losing the game, but I've been trying to get people to go for more earth-bound reasons for 80 pages now, in vain. What's the point of trying to make sense if most seem to be happy with randomness. I'll just play my role how I see fit, as everyone will, independently, with no centralization. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky. P.S.: with this latest turn-around I'm up to 40% sure that you are reddish, L. A few more suspicious actions and you'll have my vote. | ||
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So end of day 2 is in 15 minutes? | ||
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Please refer to my initial post, so as to not claim that I 'changed my story' or anything like that. | ||
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