Insane Mafia - Page 2

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 13:44 GMT

#2109

On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.

So blatant lies for the benefit of the town* gets you lynched, but manipulating the truth and twisting words gets you elected mayor.

Thats a dumb fucking policy.

(*The way I see it anyway. He could be an idiot scum but I really doubt it.)

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 13:59 GMT

#2113

On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:

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On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:

On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:

On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:

On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though

I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T

Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me.

On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.

I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too.

If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run.

And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it...

In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them.

Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information.

So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example?

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^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously.

Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 17:29 GMT

#2138

On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.

IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit.

I think L's point is that no one would have any reason to pick normal townie, so why were you given the choice if it isn't really a choice.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 20:32 GMT

#2180

On November 03 2010 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain I never ever changed what I said my role could do. I don't know what you're talking about but just from scanning over your post I can tell it's all bullshit. I'll get into specifics in a moment.

I would like to point out that some people are not voting for Aeres "JUST BECAUSE HE LIED" and that I showed where the myth that his "plan was protown" arised because I trapped him in his lie without really realizing it. I think Aeres is not only a liar, I think he is scum.

You see, I have no problem with this. I think you are wrong, but at least you are voting for Aeres for a good reason. I'm pissed off at the people who are voting just because of LAL or are sheeping.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 20:47 GMT

#2186

People that are yet to vote:

CubEdIn, Fishball, Lunardestiny (Are active and I assume will vote soon)

Beneather (Recent replacement, might not realise he needs to vote)

Misder, (Has been active earlier today, but not for a few hours. Don't want to lose him, he's made some good points

)

KtheZ, Divinek, (Inactive, will probably be modkilled)

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 21:56 GMT

#2213

On November 03 2010 06:51 L wrote:
Okay, so volunteer yourself to die. You basically just got revealed to have cheated, lied about why you roleclaimed, and admitted you're cool with the prospect of mafia steamrolling the game.

I seriously don't see how you have a 'high chance of being blue". You made a claim out of the blue and tried to use it to get in with the mayor.

I think you are overreacting on this matter. You missed the start of the game and obviously you haven't caught up properly at all.

He PM'd Dr. H without realising it was against the rules, and that was all cleared up ages ago. Mods know about it etc.

In case you haven't noticed this is INSANE mafia, There are going to be some weird nonsensical roles. Considering there is up to thirty nine different roles to come up with, not everything is going to be scrutinized and perfectly balanced.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 22:05 GMT

#2219

And KtheZ sneaks in just in time to vote and then disappear again.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 23:22 GMT

#2264

Lots of bad stuff, and one nice good thing. Maf lost a plague doctor. Possibly/probably their only one. This means their protection against murrayitis just took a huge hit.

Another really interesting thing that comes from this is the following:

(though this can get roleblocked, for which you will not receive a notification)

This almost confirms the presence of a roleblocker, and has interesting implications as regards to the Dr. H situation.

+ Show Spoiler +

Pointless I know, but I told you so. Aeres wasn't scummy, LAL is dumb.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 00:06 GMT

#2286

On November 03 2010 09:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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I agree actually. As far as how I feel about this lynch I'm incredibly wary of YM and Aeres.

I'm more afraid than ever that youngminii is a judas role.

Judas = ?

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 13:58 GMT

#2428

On November 03 2010 22:35 Veldril wrote:

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He means; Aeres claimed BG and Cruiseship Captain, therefore Mafia knows that he can evade a hit, therefore Mafia target someone else.

That was the whole point of Aeres claim. Maf can't kill him, therefore maf can't kill mayor. It was an awesome claim, and people are stupid.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 14:17 GMT

#2433

On November 03 2010 23:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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so mafia don't hit him and just move on to different targets? like the real bodyguard? how is that awesome exactly

if he's trying to discourage them from shooting me, it doesn't work when he admits he's not the real bodyguard as soon as the bodyguard dies

Again this was the situation:

There is one real bodyguard (as stated by mods)

DC had softclaimed, seemingly in error (not realising this is bad)

Maf could in theory kill DC + Mayor that very night throwing town into chaos.

So he claims BG as well knowing maf won't waste 2KP on the risk that he is not faking and is actually telling the truth.

This plan succeeded because:

Our mayor is still alive.

This plan failed because:

a) DC wasn't real BG (apparently)
b) Real BG died during the night (randomly it seems)
c)Terrible execution by Aeres (Transparent, got caught in the lie, made mistakes. Shit happens)

Again this is all my interpretation of Aeres' plan, and I might have made minor mistakes in the details. I still maintain it was good idea, and was just executed badly.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 14:21 GMT

#2436

On November 03 2010 23:19 Ace wrote:
How can a plan succeed and fail at the same time deconduo? Thank god you aren't the mod of this game.

Replace 'The plan failed' with 'The plan had the following unforeseen flaws'

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 14:22 GMT

#2437

Oh, and you were already warned about personal attacks.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 19:15 GMT

#2456

Went through the list of people, and these are the names that I feel are lurking:

Hyperbola
infundibulum
Kenpachi
KtheZ
Lexpar
kitaman27

And to a lesser extent:

Bumatlarge (Ran for mayor, haven't seen him much since apart from the bit about Dr. H and his circle)
LunarDestiny
Meapak_Ziphh

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 19:20 GMT

#2462

On November 04 2010 04:18 NB wrote:

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without pm, how you entrusted him a message exactly?

also i dont understand why both Dr.H and DC are so willing to die tonight? you guys know somebody who much more worthy to save?

Bum can mason people and he masoned Dr. H last night.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 19:23 GMT

#2464

On November 04 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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I'd be most wary of infundibulum. I don't know how busy he is but he is a pretty experienced player and he's hardly contributed here at all. Hyperbola too.

I also left out replacements because I feel they have some excuse for now, but maybe we should be looking at them as well.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 23:39 GMT

#2534

Out of curiosity, were you on DC last night Cube?

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 03 2010 23:42 GMT

#2540

On November 04 2010 08:40 CubEdIn wrote:

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No.

I was on Dr.H.

Awesome, that means we probably have another medic.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 04 2010 00:15 GMT

#2595

Seems pretty much open and shut. Voting for Coag + Double. I had a nice post on how Pandain was probably maf as well, but that can wait for tomorrow.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 04 2010 00:32 GMT

#2608

On November 04 2010 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
immediately apparent is pandain/coagulation both tried to spread mistrust o fishball because he used "secret circle" that could be very dangerous or wasn't helpful to town

anyone else who used this argument gets an FoS. Does anyone recall who else used this argument against Fishball as a strong point?

I did

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