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On October 29 2010 10:56 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 10:43 Misder wrote:
So I only heard from DH about the mass roleclaiming idea. To me, I feel that its more advantagious to the town than it is disadvantagious, but I want to hear from more of you guys about it. I think I've missed his post, but do NOT mass role claim. There is no role list in this game, so there are plenty of room for fake roles. In case of mass role claim, the real beneficiary here is the Mafia. If what you say is true, we have to look at DH more, as he definitely knows better.
i said it's a bad idea
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interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this?
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On October 29 2010 13:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability.
I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother.
I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case.
Correct me if I'm wrong?
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On October 29 2010 14:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I hope you are not bsing and fucking with us.
If what Fishball said is true, then Artanis is the one fucking with us. Then this game is indeed insane.
Back to topic, I don't think we should vote Fishball as mayor because making him as mayor does not benefit the town since his "supposely dt role mentioned by jcarlsoniv" does not help him use mayor's first day lynch ability. Furthermore, it is dangerous to have the other 5 members role claim to him. What if he is a mafia then there goes our 5 blue roles.
The counter argument to voting for Fishball is he is experienced. Assuming the town circle thing is true, he also mention the circle got six members which I predict that there is 1 or 0 mafia in it.
The ratio of 0/6 or 1/6 is less than the ratio 9/39 (number of mafia over number of players).
the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized
i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious.
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On October 29 2010 14:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 13:55 Fishball wrote:On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
interesting claim fishball
is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? Like mentioned in my post: - All member does not know each others role Which means, on top of the ability that we can PM each other, we all have our "real" roles. PM within this group is a secondary ability. I see. That is very interesting. Artanis did mention the possibility of there being several factions that can talk to eachother. I'm not really sure why mafia wouldn't come out and claim this early on if they were part of this additional group. I can see why it's a pro-town thing to do, to establish the town circle, but mafia could benefit immensely from having the control/leadership position in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong? If I were Mafia, I would try to fish out the roles of each members, or any sort of information within the circle. But you're right, there is still the possibility of Mafia coming out and try to aim for the Mayor's voting power and extra cushion of protection.
Correct, but I don't see how claiming you're part of the circle prevents you from doing that.
It does welcome a lot more scrutiny upon yourself that would be undesired if you were mafia trying to ruin the town circle. I'm torn, but I guess I'd rather have someone protected that is in some sort of circle than a mayor who can't really give us much information/coordinate anything.
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On October 29 2010 14:20 bumatlarge wrote:I was hoping someone had a role that could make a circle. Have to be careful with that, but it beats my idea. Kinda skeptical though, this circle might not even exist  but thats for the future, eager to see how this progresses. VERY SUSPICIOUS FISHBALL.
simple
someone other than fishball must post pm's from the circle to prove it exists. it could just be pm's about something insignificant.
mafia would be dumb to risk that because if one of them flipped red everyone else involved int he claim would be killed as well
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lying can be advantageous if you're town
as long as you do it smartly
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On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote:
I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's.
elaborate on why please
this is a very "scumbuddy" sort of post and it's making me feel just a tad nervous
i'm not trying to point a big FoS your way or anything, but it's pretty easy for scum to get by with stuff like that. it's important you explain why you do what you do
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On October 29 2010 14:58 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lying can be advantageous if you're town
as long as you do it smartly Yeah - except he got himself lynched within a day after that post >.<
I didn't say he did it smartly :o
Aztrorisk in a lot of ways was smart to claim jack o lantern instead of dt which he was, which I thought was stupid initially but it ended up working out well for him it seems.
Lying can work, it can be used to trap scum.
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omg guys what if fishball bumatlarge are both scum and bumatlarge backed out so that when fishball flips scum he'll look town
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On October 29 2010 15:15 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
omg guys what if fishball bumatlarge are both scum and bumatlarge backed out so that when fishball flips scum he'll look town can you explain why under these circumstances bum would look town
i didnt think that out very well TT
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On October 29 2010 15:27 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
omg guys what if fishball bumatlarge are both scum and bumatlarge backed out so that when fishball flips scum he'll look town  are we going to turn this whole thread into wifom
wifom to a certain extent is necessary in mafia but i was half kidding really
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Is Fishball bad? As far as I know he's a very experienced player. This is only my 5th game and I wasn't involved in any of the old games so I can't really meta very well.
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To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have.
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On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have.
having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game
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On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure.
if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple.
we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle.
now imagine these scenarios:
neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia players
neutral circle 6 town aligned players
neutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia players
from a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists
the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue.
that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT
if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball
if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him.
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god i wish we had pms in this game
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also it's important we lynch the right person
fishball you should lynch youngminii
he comes in to support bum with no reasoning. why even post in that case? if i didn't care enough to make an argument i'd just vote without posting in the thread.
looking at haunted mafia I noticed a funny scum tendency which was that they would always try to justify their votes in the thread (mafia/vampires feel inherently guilty because they know their own role) and they would just post something
like quickstriker would come in and say "yeah im not buying x's argument and im currently going to vote for y because of what i have read in this thread"
why do we care? why did you even share that with us youngminii?
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity.
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On October 30 2010 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Hey all, sorry I'm late. Just got off my flight from Liquidvania. You wouldn't believe the lines. People must be dying to get out of there (sorry I couldn't resist.)
I haven't decided who to vote for as Mayor yet, but I do have two requests.
First off, I would like to see an additional person claim from this "secret 6 person circle". If it exists, odds are incredibly likely that a mafia member is one of the members. If that's the case, then the mafia already knows the identities of all six members. So what harm is there to come forth to the town identifying yourself?
Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue.
Good luck all ^_^
not just an additional person, everyone in the circle should claim. mafia doesn't have incentive to kill them for it so it's all good.
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even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
if it is a big mafia trick:
we win the game, easy as that.
if the mafia ditch fishball:
first day mafia kill, woo!
the only troubling scenario is where only the few mafia in the group come forward or say, the mafia in the group get rolechecked first, then we start killing the townies in the circle.
I think maybe electing Fishball might be a bad idea since he is then unable to be rolechecked. Mafia doesn't want to kill people in the circle, since if they are in it, they want to manipulate the information as much as possible.
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
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