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On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least. Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role. Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc
I didn't kill a goddamn mafia, I modkilled southrawrea because he didn't vote for a living person.
Want to fling more bullshit insults my way or do you want to play this game the right way
why don't you mod a 61 person game practically by yourself and make zero mistakes before you act like an asshole to me. oh wait you can't even keep a simple spreadsheet factual in the first day of the game LOL
this is the second time in this game you've tried to make me look bad because of the mistakes i made in haunted mafia (all 2 of them) and yeah, it's done gone and pissed me the hell off. uncalled for.
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watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol
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also i talked to qatol about the game and we both agreed that my lack of communication with meeple who was pretty inactive was the main reason for errors in such a huge game
you're being really petty orgolove and i'll be honest you hurt my feelings. i put a lot into that game and you're just kicking dirt in my face for it.
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On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote:
Fine. I'll stop bringing in your confirmed flaws into this equation.
But lets say EVERYTHING you said is 100% true. Basically, your ability is thus:
"Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis."
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor?
confirmed by me, not you
you don't even know what fucking mistakes i made since you've been wrong about every single one
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I can direct plague doctors, plague doctors don't know who does and doesn't have the disease and thus can't reliable coordinate the actions of other plague doctors
not to mention a confirmed townie mayor is a very useful thing, considering the fact that it is likely i would be recruited into the various circles of teh game
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On October 30 2010 14:42 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least. Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. First, you need to STOP with the personal attacks. How does your personal crusade help anyone in this game? Focus on what is relevant. We're going to need logic to get through an insane game. Anyway, a couple of comments about this following post: Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It seems like you're trying to use this pretty far out possibility as a point against me. hehe, "point". Was that an intended pun? =) Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The same sort of arguments could be applied to almost any player, that their role could be INSANE and unhelpful and all that jazz.
I think I've done enough to prove to you guys that I'm on your side as town.
You're pressing it so hard it's almost suspicious ;0 although i understand not wanting to leave any stone of possibility unturned I'm being sincere in my attempts to further this discussion. I agree that you seem town, especially since you voluntarily gave information about your role even before you realized the significance of the title. I am not trying to discredit you. You're under fire only because you were the the most recent candidate to sum up your position. Then I asked for more specifics and now we're discussing that your role may be tainted. I just want the town to perform their due diligence before we elect our Mayor.
Fair enough kingjames01, that's all I really needed to hear. I guess I would want to do the same thing.
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid  if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.
here is my solution:
if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely)
I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis.
If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke.
this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out.
does that make sense?
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On October 30 2010 14:52 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:41 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote:
Fine. I'll stop bringing in your confirmed flaws into this equation.
But lets say EVERYTHING you said is 100% true. Basically, your ability is thus:
"Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis."
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor? This is a good point. I'd much rather put bum as mayor, because circle leader/manager is more worthy of nightkill invincibility. Drop all the personal attacks. They're distracting us from the issues at hand. Once again, circle leader, secret PMs mafia GF doesn't sound good to me. :/ The whole Dr. H thing has caused so much havoc and spam that it makes me suspect him as Mafia simply distracting us by causing havoc. >_>
Am I the one causing havoc or are the people who are coming up with extreme WIFOM situations that necessitate deception of me by Artanis and intense metagaming causing this shitstorm?
Come on, that's a really weak FoS on me.
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On October 30 2010 14:56 orgolove wrote:From the very start of your candidacy, you poised two reasons for your mayoral candidacy: 1. Your role is very important.Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well, my role is the most important thing
2. You'll be able to prove that you aren't blue. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
not to mention a confirmed townie mayor is a very useful thing, considering the fact that it is likely i would be recruited into the various circles of teh game Let me quote myself re point 1: Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote:
Basically, your ability is thus:
"Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis."
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor? And regarding your second point, in a game where we don't know the true mechanics of your role, your role could easily involve simply infecting people with your stick. After one night action, you can simply claim that the guy you infected "turned up infected" in your nightly "check." Then you can just as easily invite plague doctors to cure him. When they confirm your victim was infected, you were going to claim that you are a blue based on that fact. Thus, based on pure game mechanics consideration, there is no way you can prove your status as a townie.
it can be proved that my mechanic is not infecting people with my stick. if plague doctors visit the people i poke, then it will become immediately apparent if that is the case
if i am mafia i have put myself in the worst possible position where lying would get me instakilled
considering you've called me out on two lies already in this thread that I immediately called out as bullshit (funny how you didn't respond either time) I'm not surprised you're trying to imply it again
the problem with your analysis is this and I'm now going to respond to the part I'm bolded
This would have to be a person other than the person I poked. Since when a poke DOESN'T go through that means the person is infected, a poke going through means they are not.
so lets say I infect someone intentionally then invite plague doctors to cure him.
then i'm not infecting anyone throughout the whole game as I do this. meaning that my infection power is made 0, a shitty awful play. so I'm shooting myself in the foot to get confirmed blue status for almost no benefit (an extra vote whoopee). I'd have to lie to get a real infection off and plague doctos would know, could claim it, and get me lynched
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On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
we know that as of now, no one in this game has the plague. artanis clearly clearly stated this in the day post.
the general town consensus is that the 2+1 mafia kp means that the "1" is probably a role that infects people with murrayitis
the only other alternative I see is that the disease is dropped on somebody through an RNG by artanis
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On October 30 2010 15:09 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 15:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
the only other alternative I see is that the disease is dropped on somebody through an RNG by artanis i doubt that is the case because that could put the town in a lot of trouble without mafia doing anything about it.
I agree, I think it's very likely that this is a mafia power.
Look the only alternative to my role is that I'm an insane role that doesn't know he is the infector. Like I said, If this is the case, this can be found out immediately through use of our plague doctor
i am really not that capable of an this intricate of a plan as mafia, i didn't even think of some of the crazy possibilities you guys are coming up with. maybe ya'll woudl be better stickys than me
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On October 30 2010 15:10 Ace wrote:No, you could be lying to get Mayor power because you fear the potential damage the other candidates can do  If I was Scum I'd heavily consider running for Mayor just to deny it to the town. It's more than just an extra vote (which is always powerful) - I deny the right for a pro-town player to have bodyguards and can now kill with impunity. Either way the more you talk the more I'm against you being Mayor. Too much WIFOM bullshit instead of just facing up to the fact that we have no role list, can't trust people on their word alone and your power really isn't the super duper "I need Mayor because my role owns" ability I was led to believe. I don't see how you getting to be Mayor amplifies your power to the point of ownage.
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. I can confirm my power by poking people who can confirm it in the thread. No it isn't the same as artanis telling them "Hey DoctorHelvetica is town" but I think it's a pretty good confirmation tool
i really don't see why anyone would think i was mafia although I can see why you would want to elect fishball or bumatlarge over me for sure
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I'm out for tonight
I made my case, my platform, and I feel I've done more to come out as town than anyone has so far. Fishball/Bumatlarge i can see why they would make fantastic mayors considering their powers but I feel that I'm the safest choice in terms of alignment
see you guys tomorrow goodnight
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On October 30 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: The RealityJust step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts. We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will: - Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
- have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
- near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory. DrH's candidacy hinges on two points. - His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor.
- His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day.
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker. Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis: Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis. Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue. Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few: Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote:That doesn't confirm your alignment though Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion. If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
you couldn't keep your cool to refrain from insulting the shit out of me whenever you could
can we truly trust anything you say since your inention was clearly to make me angry and upset
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i'll respond to all of this well later, I woke up really early today and I feel terribly sick
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On October 30 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: Orgoloves "reality"Just step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts. We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will: - Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
- have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
- near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
Night kill invincibility is not a huge concern for a mafia, the first two powers are the ones we are really concerned with. Invincibility to night kills, however, is something the mafia really worry about since having a townie it in it, much less a mostly confirmed one is a disaster. For them.It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory. It is hardly a disaster to elect mafia in this game. In fact there are multiple scenarios in which it could benefit the town. This isn't a point I'm trying to make against you. The true power of a mafia mayor comes not from the day 1 lynch (a mafia mayor is most likely to choose the candidate the town wants to avoid pressure/disagreement that could paint him red), but from the increased voting power at the end of the game. Mafia can control bandwagons easier and achieve LYLO faster. 2 increased voting power is an effective mafia increase of 1. A mafia mayor invites role checks and will probably be inducted into the town circle, an immense amount of pressure is placed on him.
When Artanis announced that rolechecks reveal alignment even of the mayor I figured someone would drop out of the race and that person would be a nervous mafia afraid of the pressure. Since that hasn't happened I can only assume that the mafia is a very experienced/ballsy candidate (I admit I fit this bill) or someone who is losing in the polls anyway and is just going to stay in for fear of suspicion.DrH's candidacy hinges on two points. - His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor.
I would say that yes, my role is very useful and that protection can help me perform critical coordination of blues. I can constantly confirm my role to people throughout the game (Not just Day 1) and there are various ways I have shown it can be proven if, say, my poke actually infects somebody or not, both of which are concerns of the town.
It has also been demonstrated by me that if my confirmations are made up, I would have to consistently out scumbuddies. This is a scenario where me as a mafia mayor benefits town immensely in the late game.
- His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day.
Well not being a red is definitely important and I will use my confirmation power every night unless it is proven to be an insane role that infects people with M-Rus
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis. Not Mr Sticky, but yes this is true. To make the mechanics as clear as possible.
I poke someone at night. If the person DOES NOT have murrayitis they receive a poke and are told "You have been poked by DoctorHelvetica"
If the person DOES have murrayitis they receive no message and I know they have murrayitis.Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker. Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis: Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis. Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue. Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few: Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
Just to remind everyone, this is an impossibility. Since my poke goes through under my name, it is my ability.
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. The easy way to confirm is this is for plague doctors to check the people I poke and see if they turn out infected.This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. I seriously doubt there are clues in a previous games clueless day post to the true nature of my role. While it is obvious my role is inspired by this post, I think the most likely scenario is the one where Artanis was truthful in his role description. All possibilities must be considered, but we could have fun doing this to anybody and it doesn't really make me look bad, it just adds an extra degree of uncertainty. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... VERY LIKELY? That's a bit of a stretch. I don't think we should be making conclusions about someones role, that supercede their role PM and description, based on metagaming and individual interpretations of the storyline of a previous game. Does this really seem like the sound and solid reasoning that helps the town? Is this the sort of logic that will "destroy my platform"? I'm sorry but this is absolutely absurd and I'm calling it out. Then DrH pretends to be notified. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people And the storyline of my role is that with Bill Murray's death I was given new life and immunity to his disease. This is a very basic interpretation and it appears to be the one of Artanis, who is, by the way, the mod of this game. Not you. Your entirely subjective speculation about what my name could or couldn't mean in the vague context of a previous game is utterly USELESS especially given the fact that the possibility of myself being a plaguebearer can be checked. Not to mention the fact that it is impossible for me to currently be infected with M-Rus since the day post says NO ONE IS INFECTED WITH M-RUS.
Did we forget that? Currently, no one is a plaguebearer. This makes me think the role that spreads the disease is something like a mad scientist type role. He isn't infected per se, but has the ability to infect others. This is speculation on my part, but for now the safest assumption is that no one has M-Rus.
To jump from not really knowing anything about it to accusing me of being the M-Rus spreader when my role seems to be designed to everything but it, I have told a few ways in which this can be counteracted, I have offered my life to the town and the lives of those I confirm to in the case that I die and flip mafia, AND the fact that all of this speculation is based on "what if" dream scenarios and previous storylines I think it's safe to say that it is a pretty far out accusation. At best.On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. You put the word PERSON in there yourself. You inserted that. That's not what Artanis said. That SCREAAAAAAAAAMS wordplay trickery to me.
If Artanis says no one is infect by M-Rus, why can't that mean no one is infected by M-Rus. So because no one is infected by M-Rus, I'm infected by M-Rus? Ridiculous. What should he have said? "No one and a stick has M-Rus yet?" This is baseless bullshit designed to make me look bad. That's all that is. This is garbage. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ This is true. I suppose if I were infected my reds only to have them immunized this would be an advantageous play if it weren't for the fact that I'd have to publicly out them and the pattern would be clear pretty quickly, leading to a swift kill of the entire mafia.
The issue with me being mafia is that no matter what happens I've put myself in a position where I must reveal my team to you over the course of the game while being put in a negligible position of power. This is not a rational mafia play which, all things considered, is pretty easy to see.@Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. Nothing is 100% in this game aside from whatever it is somebody flips at death. Unless there is a good neighbor type role, I still feel I have done the most to confirm myself to you guys as being pro-town. It's too bad the mafia have come out to smear me. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote:That doesn't confirm your alignment though Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits. I suppose there are an infinite number of scenarios in a game where we don't know somebodies role. I don't think endless hypothetical situations are really a point against me, but this is a good point.
The thing is, we know exactly how many plague-bearers there are at the beginning of each day. Again in this situation, I still have to out members of my team with my confirmation power and I've again made a terrible play for the mafia. If the mafia have plague doctors, then it is unlikely that mafia are the source of infection. I would say impossible. They would merely infect themselves and then immunize themselves and watch M-Rus take over the town and win the game. This is a bullshit scenario.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion. If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted. Because you hurt my feelings by calling me a liar when you couldn't back it up and insulting me for modding a game which I put a lot of work and my life into and that despite the mistakes I feel proud of. I think anyone could understand why that would upset me.Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias? You merely questioned me? I like how you point out some of the things I said to you (which you never properly defended or refuted, because you can't) and then put it all in a big nice post of bullshit to make me look bad. This is called a chainsaw defense. Defending yourself by attacking your offender.
Why don't I point out the specific parts where you called me a liar based on misunderstandings and then ducked out of the spotlight? Because I'd like to get specific with my criticism, it'd be nice if you could too.Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? Disproved this immediately. You never responded. However note that as soon as you thought I had messed up (because you didn't read the thread properly) you were extremely quick not only to call me "out" on it, but to rub a little dirt in my face and try to make me look as shitty as possible. This is not the post of someone who is interested in finding out the truth, this is the post of someone who wants to make me look like a liar whenever he can. It's all in the word choice.
Here is his response. Note how he responds carefully.Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least. Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role. Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc Part 1: insult me
2: discredit my role
3: try to discredit me based on a hypothetical and no real reason or logic
Well, as though that weren't enough this isn't the first time he tried to make me look like a liar and it was AGAIN based on a misunderstanding.Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:54 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 09:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:47 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:36 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. It'll do you well to not to blatantly lie about rules that can be easily clarified by a single PM for the coming game -_- I really do not know where I supposedly lied regarding this. If you could quote that message I can apologize for it, but I am currently unaware of it. Sorry, that was directed to DrH, not you. If you could do the same and point out where I lied that would be great thanks On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. I can't trust someone who's so "free" with his supposed" facts." You're bad He said that after I posted and asked him to confirm it. Why would I "lie" and then ask the mod to confirm my lie as being false immediately afterward. I even went as far as to qualify what I was saying. I remembered wrong. Good thing I had the good sense to ask artanis to confirm it and qualify my statement before I tried to pass it off as a fact huh? That's about all I have to say. You want to criticize me based on past games and say I can't be trusted? How about the time where you took it upon yourself to organize a huge spreadsheet of "facts" that were half wrong? Or the part where you called me out on mistakes that I didn't even make.
Or the two times in this thread you called me out on lies I never told.
Or the times all of your "great accusations" were nonsense. Overreaction? No, I'm not overreacting. I smell bullshit and I'm calling it out.
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I'm sorry for lashing out. Orgoloves comments about haunted mafia really got under the skin and I was in a bad mood last night due to incredibly painful vomiting and head pain.
The assault on my platform so to speak consists only of hypothetical loopholes, WIFOM's, bad metagaming, and assaults on my character. This is not the cool deconstruction of a scum mayors lies, it's the nervous smear campaign of a mafia team that isn't winning the election and doesn't like it.
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I would also urge the town to stay away from extreme hypothetical situations. Yes all possibilities must be considered, but this is INSANE mafia right?
It has been used many times as a point. "Well this is Insane Mafia, your role could change! You could be the M-Rus spreader and not even know it! Your role could have some hidden negative effect!"
This is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen. Why? Because it applies to literally everyone in this game. Guess what, you have to deal with a small degree of uncertainty. We can use this empty argument to post holes in just about anything.
But I thought you can 100% confirm yourself
Well if my role description is indeed correct and not some INSANE lie for INSANE MAFIA, then yes I can. The person who is poked, knows I poked them, and it is confirmed to them my role of sticky. Does this 100% confirm I'm town? Well it doesn't say "The blue DoctorHelvetica has poked you" so I'm afraid not. Agian, I feel I've given town reason to believe I'm town moreso than other candidates and the attempts in this thread to poke holes in me and make me look red have been pretty bad so far.
Regardless, we don't know the role list, we don't know if there are other hidden mechanics, we don't know what else could be in this game. We know what we are (or at least we think we do) and that's really the best we can do.
The best I can do is act the way I feel is right based on what I know my role to be. If Artanis deceived me somehow, I feel that is a solvable problem. But don't forget, it's a bad argument and it is completely useless in the context of a game where it applies to every player.
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On October 31 2010 01:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Mmmk, Dr.H, I did feel it was necessary for you to address the constructive post that orgolove made, because it can cause for good discussion. I would, however, like the whole argument over personal attacking to stop. I got sucked into it, but I'm hoping to also aid in the end of it. I would hate to see modkills over arguments. The past is the past, and we don't want another Pandain/Bill Murray incident on our hands. God forbid we make the next town suffer from orgolove-atoma or Dr.H Disease O_o
I agree, but it's something that happened and I want to make it clear what made me incensed. I think it's sort of silly for orgolove to criticize me for being emotional when he himself provoked it
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but it's not mafia without nerdrage!
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