Haunted Mafia - Page 138

Vampires will try to hit Mafia either way though, and if they get reduced 1 KP they'll still hit the people they think are most likely Mafia. If they only had 2 mafia candidates, then they will try to gun down a blue which would possibly be saved now. I doubt they have 3 serious candidates every night, so reducing their KP by one is good for town moreso than mafia, as mafia is the vampire's first target.

Also, detectives are very useful later in the game, say night 3 when they have three investigations. He can make the claims and we can look towards those claims and investigate them ourselves rather than lynch him. Since M/V will have to kill him in order to stop him from making town win if legitimate, he would get killed at night saving us from lynching him to see if he is detective, at which point we know his investigations are legit and we'll have a bunch of new targets.

As for the first questions, there will be plenty of people worth searching for with all the information flying aroudn and I don't think a brute is likely to be used anytime soon since that would reduce vamp's KP by one AND they don't really have a good target for it since everyone's all over the place, as well as already having lost one guy.
The incriminating part is not very interesting as the detective needs to die to verify his research and DoctorHelvetica is probably not very influencable in this area when sending results to PMs. This only leaves the issue of gravedigger/creeper, which as I said is relatively small compared to the chance of actually hitting scum.

Also expanded on the BM candidate; he just spams a ton whether he's town or not. Haven't read much about the other two but I agree about aztorisk being very iffy.

Clues to me are generally very sketchy since there can be (un)intentioned red herrings and a lot of clues can effect a lot of people. I remember in past clue games that the clues never matched so I prefer behavior analysis. I'm fine with others trying to use clues more though, but I'd just use it to aid behaviour analysis when you think you've spotted scum.

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Original Message From CubEdIn:
I agree, but there are tons of variables that need considering by detectives:
- who is WORTH searching for (at least some clues need to point to him)
- how many might want to incriminate him
- what if he IS gravedigger/creeper and does not know it?
- what if he was GF/Count (this is no longer so important, but it was in the first night)
- what if I investigate and brute comes along to rape everyone sideways?

I'm not saying they are completely useless, but since you don't know WHO they are, you just can't rely on someone who claims they are and found out something, because:
- they can lie
- even if they don't lie, they might have wrong info still

And I'm not saying that I will NOT vote for Veldril either, in fact, he seems like the obvious vote so far, so most chances are that I'll vote for him.
But I don't want focus to be turned from BM's replacement/HoE/kenpachi/aztorisk and others who have been targeted pretty strong.

Also, nothing from today's clues? We can't let those go to waste.

Veldril seems like the easy way out, but also think that if he is a V and we kill him, mafia will gain a strong advantage in night2. If we allow their KP to stay one stronger, Vamp might take out one extra Mafia, and make OUR job easier.

...just a thought.

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Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
The Mafia GF has died though making it less likely for a detective to clear someone accidentally, which if you are suddenly defending him makes it likely. Also, if Veldril is a vampire (which would be logical given Masq was one), killing him before night would reduce one KP and reduced KP is good for town, not just mafia. If we don't have a strong alternative from the clues for Veldril, it seems madness to not try to reduce the night KP. As for you saying you never said you would vote for him: That's actually a good point. I pretty much assumed you would since you said he would die the next day.

And just because you don't consider Veldril a threat doesn't mean that his death would cause the vampires a lot of pain due to reduced KP.

I also don't think there will be that many gravediggers/creepers that it would destroy the usefulness of detectives. There might be like 4 of them total, whilst there are 18 mafia still alive. Exclude the vamp godfather and you have a 17/21 chance of finding a mafia if it shows up that way, which is very significant and very helpful to town.

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Original Message From CubEdIn:
Actually, I've said this before the lynching as well, when I was talking about what happens if either of them is M/V -> would result to the other guy being lynched the next day, even tho Veldril MIGHT have been just a newb.

Tho I don't recall ever saying I would vote for them.

I'm not opposed to it, but now that it's out in the open, our main focus should not be killing another V, since M will probably go for Veldril the next night anyway.

Bottom line, I just don't consider Veldril a threat. I didn't use to before (because I was way more sure that Masq was M/V), and I don't now, because people will surely doubt everything he says. The only good reason to take him out would be limiting kill power, but if we focus too much on Vs, we'll die to Ms.

You're right that it would somewhat make me seem like a Detective, but as a general rule, I don't think detectives are very useful in this game, because GF/Count can fake roles, Gravedigger/Creeper fake roles, there are possible planted evidence and so on. So detectives have been deemed kinda worthless UNLESS they're going after random targets who nobody would incriminate.
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Original Message From Artanis[Xp]:
Just woke up.

And FUCK YEAH. I got a correct lynch in the first day of my first game. Too bad all this shit-talking took away my glory.

So, I'm gonna lay down and be quiet(er) until day 2 arrives. No point in all this speculation without new clues, and the whole BM spamming threw this thread way off track.

Only question is: should we lynch Veldril as well? I'm really 50-50 on that decision. My initial feeling was that Masq is M/V and Veldril is a bit of a newbie who was over-zealous with his opinion, and got the public's attention.
Now do I go with that and try to broaden my horizons, or do I just say "fuck it" and vote for Veldril? Decisions decisions.

After having said that if Masq flips up red Veldril is immediately criminalized to get him lynched, this is a big switch. The only way this would make sense is if you were detective, though I decided not to say that in the thread as I do not want to get the red factions to suspect you as such if you are. Decided to pm you that just in case you have a better explanation for it. Not asking for a claim or anything because you can't trust me, but if you have a rational explanation for it I'm glad to hear it.