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His first posts are useless and I won't quote them for the sake of saving space. They concern the issue of protactiniums smurf. He continues throughout the beginning posting a lot but making empty arguments others have already made. "Who is protacts smurf?" This amused me: On October 06 2010 11:13 SiNiquity wrote: I'm pretty sure lynching the village idiot means we all lose. I see no reason for mafia to play along. Oh really? We lose if we lynch the VI? Thanks for the input SiN. On October 06 2010 11:29 SiNiquity wrote: This presumes the Mafia is in a position to win - if they feel like they're losing, then it's the town's game to lose by following through with the lynch. Says the same thing. On October 06 2010 11:46 SiNiquity wrote: Once the VI is truly out in the open, we could argue that Mafia forfeits now or we lynch the the VI. My point is, by lynching the VI we -also- lose, so yes if the mafia is down then they have no reason to follow through with the kill, just as we have no reason to follow through with it. Granted I see no reason why the mafia wouldn't kill the VI just to get rid of him, but I don't agree that we would be in a position to blackmail them. Same obvious argument. Of course we can not lynch the Village Idiot. On October 06 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote: I called him out to reveal himself, he didn't. If he wants to take his identity to the grave then that's his decision. Worthless post about protacts smurf On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled. Not voting: bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail Not posted nor voted: XeliN, JeeJee Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\ Backseat modding, no reason to post this whatsoever. On October 06 2010 12:05 SiNiquity wrote: EBWOP: Credit (or blame if it's wrong) to BrownBear for that list, I simply pulled it from the vote thread. Admits himself that it's not even his list, he just copy pasted it. Big waste of space. So far he has a lot of posts and ZERO content. On October 06 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote: [/url][url="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157921¤tpage=2"]Go vote for someone. link to the voting thread, very helpful more backseat modding. so far has added zero content or thought to this game On October 06 2010 13:00 SiNiquity wrote: I getcha, heh. Also, Prot's headed to the gallows (bum just chimed in). Sorry buddy ~ could've thwarted this whole mess if you'd have fessed up. worthless post starting on page 22 he spams relentlessly, except this post stands out to me On October 06 2010 13:58 SiNiquity wrote: No I agree. Except then at least I'd have a chance at a mafia role  I'm always town-aligned, gets old after awhile.What is the point of this? It's obvious at this point that BB wasn't going to end a game. This is a convenient time for mafia to come out and say "oh but I hate my role as (town role), let's restart". Not overtly suspicious but this is when he became a blip on my radar as "possible red" instead of just "awful and useless town player" now ALL THE WAY from page 22 to 39 he spams one-liners with NO information. Look at his post history in his profile. It's ridiculous. he goes out of his way to confirm himself as town during twilight and then just continues spamming the thread. word. Here is his first "big and useful" post. Which was utterly useless. Let's look at it (I'll be posting my thoughts inside the quote in red) On October 08 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote: Disclaimer: This post is does not in any way encourage additional posting of PM or PM related information, nor do I wish to further the discussion of the PMs themselves. This post contains full disclosure of BM's method to further discourage any claiming. However, the prior claims are here to stay, for better or for worse. There's nothing that can be done, yet they've altered the meta game and as such cannot be ignored. he claims he doesn't want to encourage durther discussion of the PM's but yet his entire post is centered around discussing EXACTLY that. Alternatively a host could simply come out and confirm that the PM messages were different dependent on host, alleviating us of this meta-game aspect entirely. But if not, then the information's there, and should be taken full advantage of by the townies. It had already been confirmed some pms were sent by artanis and that they were worded differently. Now, in short, for those that don't feel like reading the spam starting from page 29 and going really until about page 35, Bill Murray demanded players to roleclaim, but emphasized players should carefully reread their PMs before claiming. It was actually very clever, as there was an underlying secret that only town players would recognize: town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: complains about spam despite being a terrible spammer himself. BM's plan was clever despite the fact that it was totally useless because not every role PM was worded the same way. SiNiquity either doesn't know this or is feigning ignorance. Ironically, Bill, either in a burst of genius or insanity, incessantly insisted the correct answer was "town." And, best of yet, some people fell for it: (Note: BC is especially guilty in this regard, as he kept referring to the town post in the OP as his point of reference). In fact the only player that correctly roleclaimed as far as I can surmise is OpZ: Even now Bill maintains "town" is the correct answer, and his vigilance for this charade is admirable yet simultaneously disturbing on some deeper level. However, props to him for maintaining it for so long (I'd certainly be convinced). bill maintained town was the correct answer because that's the PM he received. people received different PM's so none of what you just said matters in the slightest bit. there was no trap. Now there is the caveat that there were different wording in the PMs based on the host. do you even realize this sentence makes your ENTIRE post fall apart? As such, take the following conclusions with a grain of salt: I will Confirmed players from my perspective:
Suspect players from my perspective:
you agree with BM's methods and come out with compeltely different conclusions. there are two scenarios that makes this possible. one is that you are dumb and did not understand what BM was saying. you say earlier in the thread that bill murray maintained "town" as the correct answer when it was indeed townie. how did you know this was BM's intention? He never claimed it was. This means you were communicating with BM via PM (which is a rule violation), or because you are both mafia. Or you recieved a role PM that said townie which just goes to prove that the role pms are different. Still need to look at the votes over the past day to see if there's anything worthwhile there. But I'm certainly curious as to what one of the "town" players will flip ~ if town, then there's possibly a host discrepancy. If not, then this only confirms my suspicions. It's the strongest lead we've got and I see no reason not to pursue it. Anyway I'm off to bed to mull this over. Even though he interpreted BM's argument THE OPPOSITE of how BM interpreted it. He still accused bloodycobbler. It seems strange to me that there is nothing in common between their conclusions other than the fact that they both painted BC red (bill murray and SiNiquity) what did we learn from this post? 1. there is a big possibility BM and SiN have communicated out of game 2. despite interpreting BM's argument very differently SiN still accused bloodycobbler and insisted BM is 100% town. After two more useless posts SiN posts this On October 09 2010 12:17 SiNiquity wrote: That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate. What is this post about? Protecting BM and explaining his late vote. Mafia like to vote late so that they make sure to have the least conspicous vote possible. He says "I understand BM's plan" yet in his previous post he interpreted CLEARLY in the exact opposite way BM did. If that is the case there is no way he understood what BM was doing unless they communicated or unless SiN has really really bad reading comprehension. On October 09 2010 12:47 SiNiquity wrote: I don't think either Misder or XeliN are mafia, and if my tired count is correct they're the current big leaders in the vote.  Would you like to explain? Misder didn't end up being mafia, just a bad townie. But why even say this if you aren't going to provie a reason? Not only does he not back up his defense but he doesn't propose an alternative. He isn't scumhunting which is what town should be doing. Lynching mafia. If SiNiquity is mafia, Bill Murray definitely is. SiNiquity you have some explaining to do. How did you "know" BM was using the word "town" to trick people and was actually looking for the word "townie". How did you understand BM's argument yet come to different conclusions? Why the spam? The nonsense one-liners? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On October 10 2010 10:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Just because I'm not allowed to PM, I'd like to express my wish to PM Pandain expressedly. PANDAIN I WANT TO PM YOU. Just a suggestion: Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods might be a good idea. People who voted for lynching Misder in order of best reasons: Pandain - Pretty well done analysis on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38 ~OpZ~ -For the unexplained vote Misder put on ~OpZ~ infinitestory - Actually makes a post explaining why he though Misder was suspicious though I can't see why he'd vote for him in particular because he had plenty of other suspects at the time. DoctorHelvetica - No good reason. He was tunneling Siniquity the entire time and gave no real reason for Misder. LSB - He basically goes to pandain "who know you might be right" and votes Misder... drag_ - Absolutely nothing. A total of 10 posts. There almost seem to be 12 posts but 2 of those are from a link of siniquity's This was just me scanning over the posts and making it public who I'm going to examine. I would start with drag_ but because he has so little posts I thinking I'll examine him and LSB (as JeeJee didn't make a single post). Most likely within the same day I will go over DoctorHelvetica and/or Xelin because this particular post caught my eye. It just seems like a post that could be reduced to under 10 words and has no explanation within it and only an elongated 1 point opinion. I know I've been guilty of this to some degree except without just providing opinion. However it seems like major "slipping under the radar" to me. In case of my death tonight Suspects: Xelin, DrHelvetica, BloodC0bbler and at least 2 of the newer players including KingJames, drag_ and infinitestory. Are you kidding? I've been suspicious of misder since day 1 because of his posting habits and I explained multiple times why I suspected him. In fact one of my first posts come day 2 was my reasoning. 1. Multiple accusatory posts with no backing support (typical of mafia trying to confuse the town) 2. painting himself extremely pro-town, even going out and criticizing other players guilty of the same posting habits of himself 3. mostly inactive until there is a ton of pressure on him 4. claims to have a lot of suspects without ever revealing it. only reveals his thoughts when under heavy pressure No I didn't do a huge post like Pandain, that doesn't mean I never explained my reasoning lol. The reason I didn't switch my vote to SiNiquity was for two reasons. 1. it would be pointless considering the size of the misder/xelin bandwagons 2. I hadn't yet combed through all of his posts | ||
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On October 10 2010 10:53 SouthRawrea wrote: :D I'm glad you could consolidate your posts. No hard feelings? I actually think I screwed the ctrl+f thing that one time while searching. It began the search part way through. Sorry about that. It wasa genuine mistake. I was going back through what I searched through just to make sure everything was right and yeah you did express suspicion. I'm in no way clearing you though .No hard feelings of course. If you want to view all of someones posts you can simply go to their profile. | ||
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On October 10 2010 11:41 infinitestory wrote: osht Pandain knew he was going to die? I want to say "perhaps he got something right in his final suspect list?" but I'm really afraid the mafia have thought this out on an extra level, in a reverse-psychology way this sort of thinking is wifom. there are infinite layers of potential reverse psychology and analysing it is a waste of time | ||
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On October 10 2010 11:46 infinitestory wrote: yeah, I guess it is a waste what does wifom mean? wine in front of me it's from the scene in the princess bride when the dude is trying to guess which goblet has poison based on a neverending loop of reverse psychology tricks | ||
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On October 10 2010 11:59 SiNiquity wrote: (a) (paraphrased) "haha lynching VI is bad for town, you're so dumb siniquity, we all know that" no, infinitestory or whoever was saying we should hold the mafia hostage with the VI, and I was pointing out that was a stupid idea over and over again. I'm absolutely thrilled that you've somehow taken that and twisted it into making me look like a moron. I hope the rest of your post isn't like this. (b) "worthless post about protacts smurf" smurfing hurts town. Lynching hurts smurf. I thought putting more pressure on protact would get him to fess up. If you were smart you'd have seen that I threatened him, he ignored me and just kept posting, and then I voted to put him in the lead and tried to keep the pressure on him, but he didn't budge. Yet you think posting "10 minutes left" with protact having a single vote lead, one of them being me, and protact actively posting, is worthless. Ironically, the fact that he did nothing was the biggest tell that he was VI: (c) SiNiquity: "[BB: let's continue.. why bother restarting?] No I agree. Except then at least I'd have a chance at a mafia role I'm always town-aligned, gets old after awhile." Why say this? Because I'm always town aligned and it gets old after awhile, which is why I was perfectly content with protact being VI and rerolling  (d) "now ALL THE WAY from page 22 to 39 he spams one-liners with NO information" you sir are a dirty little liar. I didn't post after page 25 until page 39. Not that this mischaracterization is out of line with anything else you've said. You're just as bad as BC in the last game I played when he analyzed me. Yeah I spammed a bit on 22-25 when nothing important was going on, during twilight and immediately after protact was pronounced VI. Sue me. Points (e) through (l) are referencing my large post on page 39 (e) "he claims he doesn't want to encourage durther discussion of the PM's but yet his entire post is centered around discussing EXACTLY that." I didn't want people to discuss to reveal additional PM knowledge as that was clearly banned, but wanted to reference the claims people had already made, as I thought we had some actual concrete evidence to work from, and ignoring that would be stupid. Hence the disclaimer. (f) "It had already been confirmed some pms were sent by artanis and that they were worded differently." Up until that point, there was no confirmation of different wording in the PMs. There was however confirmation that multiple hosts PMed people. Silly me for thinking anyone in this thread would need such a distinction pointed out. Oh wait, I did. In the point you're rebutting. + Show Spoiler [Blue posts from pg 33 to my pg 39] + On October 07 2010 15:22 BrownBear wrote: I just logged in and saw this. What the fuck. BM... stop. On October 07 2010 15:28 BrownBear wrote: BM, the next time I see this level of spam, it's a modkill. You've taken up like 60% of the last 3 pages BY YOURSELF. ffs stop spamming, or at least consolidate it all into one post. On October 08 2010 00:53 BrownBear wrote: Let's pleast stop talking about the PMs. It's a slippery slope, and as you all know, quoting all or part of them is illegal. Get back to scumhunting based off of analysis, not stupid PM-based shit. On October 08 2010 05:41 BrownBear wrote: It really pisses me off that role PMs are STILL being discussed here. Since this seems to be a sticky point, and since some people know this and others don't, I'll clarify it for everyone here. Both Artanis and I sent out role PMs, to make our workload easier. We had no clue it would be so much of a federal fucking issue when we did so. Now STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AS THOUGH IT'S A PART OF THE GAME. On October 08 2010 06:10 BrownBear wrote: RoL has very kindly given kane]deth[ back his role. kane will continue the game on double super-secret probation: if he gets modkilled for missing another vote, I will be very sad (g) "complains about spam despite being a terrible spammer himself." Yes, let's take an outright lie from point (d) and use it to draw a conclusion. (h) "BM's plan was clever despite the fact that it was totally useless because not every role PM was worded the same way. SiNiquity either doesn't know this or is feigning ignorance" See point (f). (i) bill maintained town was the correct answer because that's the PM he received. people received different PM's so none of what you just said matters in the slightest bit. there was no trap. See point (f). (j) (In reference to: caveat ~ PM wording may have been different) do you even realize this sentence makes your ENTIRE post fall apart? Yes which is why I put it both at the top and bottom of my post. Because it was that important. (k) (In reference to: "Take the following with a grain of salt") oh i will: Oh you're a clever one. (l) you agree with BM's methods and come out with compeltely different conclusions. there are two scenarios that makes this possible.
Or I received a role PM that said townie which meant BM was parading town as the correct answer to catch other people. But that would depend on the PM wording being the same huh. I wonder if I should, idk, make a disclaimer about that? The next post you quote even elaborates on this, but naturally you ignore that.(m) What is this post about? Protecting BM and explaining his late vote. Mafia like to vote late so that they make sure to have the least conspicous vote possible. ~ Taking this in turn
(n) He says "I understand BM's plan" yet in his previous post he interpreted CLEARLY in the exact opposite way BM did. Seriously, this is getting old. Thank God I'm almost done with this. Read your paraphrase, read the quote in point (l) and honestly tell me if they're the same. If English is your 2nd language, I forgive you.(o) If that is the case there is no way he understood what BM was doing unless they communicated or unless SiN has really really bad reading comprehension. The irony of your words is seeping from my monitor. If <false paraphrase> is true, then <draw conclusion> unless <conclusion #1 out of 2 from (l) is true> or <completely unrelated yet highly ironic possibility is true> (p) (Referring to me thinking Misder/XeliN are not mafia) Would you like to explain? Misder didn't end up being mafia, just a bad townie. Yeah it was totally Misder's fault for getting lynched. Stupid bad townie (q) (Continuing from prev. point) But why even say this if you aren't going to provie a reason? Not only does he not back up his defense but he doesn't propose an alternative. He isn't scumhunting which is what town should be doing. Lynching mafia. His late posts convinced me he wasn't scum which is why I didn't vote for him - I'm sorry that this wasn't obvious based on the fact that I posted that right after Misder posted. I don't think XeliN is mafia because he was the first to articulate BM's tactics, which I already stated in my "long analysis post." But you read that and picked it apart already, so you'd know this, right? As for why I didn't make a case for someone else, all of this was 15 minutes or something like that before the lynch, so no, I didn't make a case for someone else, because there wasn't enough time.[Summary]: (a) misrepresentation (b) stupid (c) (d) lies (e) misunderstanding (f) lies (g) conclusion from lies (h) unsubstantiated claim (i) unsubstantiated claim (j) (k) clever jab (l) incomplete analysis due to conclusion from unsubstantiated claim (m) misrepresentation (n) misrepresentation (o) misrepresentation / stupid (p) (q) misrepresentation / I don't even know. Stupidly high expectations? If your role PM said townie than what you said makes sense. If you're admitting to that then a lot of what you said makes sense under that light. Obviously you didn't say that so I hope you can see how the conclusion that you and bill murray had communicated out of game could be drawn? you could be very well lying but your defense is satisfying to me. I'm not saying you're definitely mafia but pressure needed to be applied to you to clear that up, is that ok with you? you seem personally very offended | ||
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misder accused with nothing behind it, that's bad play and it got him lynched. he didn't apply pressure to anyone. if we want to catch mafia we need to put people on the hot seat, that's really the only way. people crack under pressure. mafia are extra defensive and because they feel subconsciously guilty will defend themselves in a much different way than a townie will. keep in mind we're double lynching tonight, if we don't catch mafia the effects will be disastrous for us | ||
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On October 10 2010 12:01 Crisis_ wrote: Pandain's out, and he was the one who led the analysis against Misder, who was also a townie. I think Mafia's trying to kill off people who are not only inconsequential (can't be traced back to mafia), but also players who can analyze posts like Pandain. I think some of us are looking in the wrong direction right now in terms of leads, and we should really focus on those who we are NOT focusing on, if that makes any sense. And as such, my suspicions on CynanMachae, ghrur, and BM are lowered, at least until I get some more information. WIFOM maybe mafia are killing people who can't be traced back to us, or maybe they know we will think that so they are killing people who were on their trail, but maybe they're doing the opposite, or maybe they're doing the opposite of the opposite that doesn't really help us in determine who mafia is unless there is a clear pattern (hitting people who roleclaim, hitting people who are accused of having a blue role, hitting people who vote a certain way, etc.) | ||
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On October 10 2010 12:36 SiNiquity wrote: No I never said (and note that I -still- have not said) what my role is directly because BrownBear explicitly said to stop discussing PMs, and me saying "hey my PM said ________ and was from _______" would be violating this, as well as the disclaimer of my own post (the one from page 39, the long analysis one). I did however allude to it as heavily as I could: Smiley face by Opz when saying who I thought was likely town, saying this was all from "MY" perspective, then clarifying in a later post that "MY" perspective was the same as OpZ's perspective. I can see how the conclusion could be drawn, but you also mentioned another possibility (namely the real one) but completely dismissed it and used the other one to draw conclusions. That's just dishonest. lol offended? No. I'm only offended that we're making crucial decisions on analysis like that. If you are alluding to the fact that my retorts were pointed and often critical of your analysis, then sure. I didn't dismiss it. If that is indeed the case then I understand why you interpreted Bill Murray's arguments the way you did. Otherwise the only explanation is that you communicated with Bill Murray outside of the game. I'm not saying one is true and that you're mafia. I'm saying that one of those MUST be true. It deserves focus because of that possibility. I really don't see any other way you could have come to the conclusions you did about BM other than that. Crucial decisions? What decision did I make here exactly other than the decision to put pressure. Mind you that's exactly what we as a town need to be doing. Pressuring people. | ||
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On October 10 2010 13:19 SiNiquity wrote: I never said you made any decisions ~ I'm only saying that every night's lynch is based on stuff like that, and if it's inaccurate or incomplete then you're doing everyone a disservice, because they're probably not going to take the time to so thoroughly analyze your analysis. I understand the point you were driving at now, but much of your post contained inaccuracies (i.e. me spamming for 17 pages vs 3, and it's not nearly as bad as you allege), misquotes (taking "Look, now that I understand BM" as "I understand BM"), bad summaries ("siniquity saying stupid things about lynching VI, no shit"), etc. That's just off the top of my head, the rest is in my post. Ironically I'm setting the bar ridiculously high for myself now when it comes to analyzing anyone You didn't say "now that I understand BM", but rather "I understand BM". I looked at each of your posts rather than reading the entire thread so some context was lost but I put the pressure on you that I wanted and I'm satisfied with your response. I hardly suspect you OR bill murray either now. I fear the mafia is going to try to twist the double lynch as a free kill on bill murray and someone tenuously connected to him. However I could not ignore the prevalent possibility that you had communicated with BM outside of the game, I hope you can at least appreciate why that couldn't and shouldn't have been ignored. | ||
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On October 10 2010 14:11 SiNiquity wrote: k? Now let's move on. On October 09 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote: Wait. So we're double lynching just to lynch BM "for free" tomorrow? That's why I voted for double lynch. See this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=37#733[/QUOTE] That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate. [/QUOTE] you are correct. i was remembering things in a biased and ugly light and I apologize. I've already said I'm satisfied to your defense so I would like to move on as much as you would. | ||
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On October 10 2010 14:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's why I voted for double lynch. See this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=37#733 That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate. EBWODP (poor formatting) you are correct. i was remembering things in a biased and ugly light and I apologize. I've already said I'm satisfied to your defense so I would like to move on as much as you would. | ||
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On October 11 2010 04:52 kane]deth[ wrote: I must say, you're entire analysis is bullshit; you're assuming that new players instantly take risks and because in the first few posts I have in mafia aren't decisive and inspired, that I am anti-town. I must say that there is truth though, I haven't contributed anything yet, but I promise I will by monday night. Of course you could say I'm delaying because I'm mafia but it IS thanksgiving over here and all. @LSB I'm role-claiming town, but even if I was mafia I would say that :V About my voting, I changed it because I was thinking XeliN in my mind but I typed Misder for some reason. Misder did seem to be angry and such but I thought that was just a good tactic to get others feeling pressured. Xelin seemed to be weak and uninspired, sort of like how you're accusing me to be. If I did have a choice to abstain, I would, but then I'd get modkilled, so I thought that instead of voting off a player I could simply double-lynch and collect my thoughts, but I didn't know that you still had a lynch. it would be nice if you contributed something to this game besides a lame defense to all the pressure being put on you so now you're out until tomorrow night? when the day is over? lol kk | ||
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On October 11 2010 07:27 Bill Murray wrote: What's the case on kane]deth[? Why are you voting him DoctorH? If I've missed something that has happened, sorry, I haven't gotten a chance to read some of it yet doesn't post never contributes only posts when accused bad job of defending self constant excuses for inactivity when RoL took his role he also made excuses for inactivity already made an excuse to be active for our third (and probably our most important) day cycle it was said earlier that it is very likely some mafia are hiding amongst inactives, kane]deth[s stand out to me as the most scummy and is worthy of my second vote, at least for now | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 13 2010 04:50 SouthRawrea wrote: Amber I honestly made that vote a retaliatory vote simply because you were saying that you'd vote me at the end. I'd like to make it clear that I maintain my analysis on drag_ and unless he's dead tonight, I want him dead tomorrow morning. (Also I'm guilty of being biased this game. I have a liking towards BC so I ended up ignoring an urge to attack him part way through the game. I'm typing this out because making it public will probably help solve the problem. First step= admitting I have a problem. I have a problem although it's minor.) Really? An OMGUS. I'm more surprised you'd admit to voting like that than anything. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Vigilante, if you exist, don't hit Bill Murray. Find a more inactive player who may have been accused in the past but has since been laying kind of low. CynanMachae is a good target, SouthRawrea screams scum to me. It might be a bit of a crapshoot but we need to hit a red and learn something, start drawing up some connections, because honestly we have nothing right now. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 14 2010 17:04 Protactinium wrote: I'm pretty sure somewhere down the line hosts/people agreed to only have one normal game running at a time... i thought sign ups would take a week and this game would be done by then | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 14 2010 21:05 meeple wrote: Just threw my vote on the doctor for now... I'll try to make an informed decision later on -sloppy placeholder vote -excuse for future inactivity you've been contributing less and less to this game as time goes on. i know you're busy cohosting my game but not as busy as me. you've been slipping by pretty inactive for the entirety of this game but never really done enough to draw suspicion to you. I have a feeling mafia have been hiding amongst inactive players for a while. The town has clearly been on the wrong track with its accusations. Why should the mafia take the risk of staying active in the town? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know WIFOM. But this game and us winning it depends on being able to predict and discern what the mafia is thinking and why. | ||
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