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On September 01 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Actually, you know what I decided?
I am the pardoner, but then I went back on my decision to pardon Zeks(pmed ace.)
Amazed no one called me out on saying i'll martyr radfield, but then he dies.
##Pardon SouthRawrea
This is a confirmed lie then.
Hi Pandain!
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On September 01 2010 11:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 11:41 citi.zen wrote:On September 01 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Actually, you know what I decided?
I am the pardoner, but then I went back on my decision to pardon Zeks(pmed ace.)
Amazed no one called me out on saying i'll martyr radfield, but then he dies.
##Pardon SouthRawrea This is a confirmed lie then. Hi Pandain! Yup n.n. But a harmless lie(no malicious outcome... aka I would be found out in 3 hours). So if i was mafia it would have no p ositive outcome. Therefore, you know it was a joke. Moving on, I'll lay out the warground once we see how south flips.
Why lie gratuitously as a townie?
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On September 01 2010 15:21 chaoser wrote:
Hmm interesting...so me rasta or LSB is a traitor...
Incorrect. Hesmyr said he picked CV but it was taken. Rastaban could be red, but not traitor.
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On September 01 2010 21:48 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 21:04 citi.zen wrote:On September 01 2010 15:21 chaoser wrote:
Hmm interesting...so me rasta or LSB is a traitor... Incorrect. Hesmyr said he picked CV but it was taken. Rastaban could be red, but not traitor. No, SR picked CV but said it was taken.
No, SR picker traitor. Hesmyr picked CV.
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To keep track of it all:
#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Claimed Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- Claimed Prince of Darkness, was watched + visited by one other person night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke
Plan draft list under the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
#1 Comp Vig
#2 Bad Santa
#3 Prince of Darkness
#4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD
#5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
#6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role
#7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role
#9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
#10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role
#11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker)
#14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.)
#15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other
#16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other
#17 50% role cop, 50% other
#18 50% Joat, 50% other
#19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other
#20 50% tracker, 50% other
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On September 01 2010 21:19 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 21:04 citi.zen wrote:On September 01 2010 15:21 chaoser wrote:
Hmm interesting...so me rasta or LSB is a traitor... Incorrect. Hesmyr said he picked CV but it was taken. Rastaban could be red, but not traitor. Ok thanks, so it's down to me and LSB. I think LSB is the better choice for obvious reasons
What are these obvious reasons?
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We should not forget this:
On August 31 2010 11:47 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
AHEM I MEAN
Bumatlarge was high as a kite that evening. Town actually appreciated his batman antics and gave him some pot, which is legal in liquidia ofc. Batman mask set, he roamed the night. HOLY SHIT A CAT. Oh look LSD's house. Bum sneaks in the back alley, tries to climb over a fence, but it swings open at the climax of his climb. Gravity being the bitch that it is, sent bum on a 3 foot skydive into a trashcan! HOLY SHIT A RACCOON. OW. Bum thanks his lucky stars he developed a rabies immunity when he got bit by that raccoon a second ago. Before Bum could question his reasoning, he runs into some dude smokin a cig at the backdoor.
"Sup homes" Bum said in his gravelly voice
"Uh hello"
"You the tracker?" Bum said in his cementy voice
"Sure.. are you high?"
"YOU BET" Bum said in a stoned voice
bum quickly started talking about his encounters with untame beasts and popular topics often discussed by the stalkers of the night, and the other guy smoked a whole pack. before bum knew it, the sun was coming out!
"Aight later did what I needed too" and then he left.
"Oh wait- oh fudgepops" Bum pebbled. Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too, trying to enjoy my last night properly! That could explain some of your posts though!
Bum claims he saw a visitor go to LSB. LSB gives a bizarre answer: "Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too". Then he tries to make a little joke re: being high (nervous much?). He never brings up the night visit again! I know if I were a townie I would be a lot more curious: why would anyone visit me on the night I was supposed to be CV-ed, while the CV is getting role-blocked? If it happened to me I'd be thinking "I was framed - Chaoser must be the traitor! The mafia must have two traveling roles! This is who I think you need to look at after my death..." LSB did none of that.
In fact, LSB claims on the very next page that he does not think Chaoser is the traitor:
On August 31 2010 12:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 12:39 chaoser wrote:
yeah, i'm not traitor lol. I said you can lynch me to confirm my list but at this point SR really should be dead. The fact that the CV was blocked from hitting him looks like mafia was trying to save him via roleblocker (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more
Think about that: we've already established one of them has to be the traitor, but LSB tells us he does not think it's Chaoser!
I think LSB is our traitor, just recruited last night.
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Errr... this part is not correct, since this went down before the SR flip:
Think about that: we've already established one of them has to be the traitor, but LSB tells us he does not think it's Chaoser!
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EBWOP: I got greedy. What I meant to say is LSB brushed the whole night visit thing under the rug, which I find odd. Since this all took place when SR was still alive, it was perfectly fine for him to jump on the SR bad wagon instead of blaming Chaoser though.
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On September 01 2010 23:33 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:20 chaoser wrote:On September 01 2010 23:09 Fishball wrote:Posting this before I get too busy during the day. So SR flipped Vanilla Townie. We have to assume he is telling the truth, or else he would be banned in future games anyways. That leaves LSB and Chaoser, one of them as the Traitor. We tried CVing LSB the other Night, but Rastaban was role blocked. Chaoser himself should be Bad Santa, and provided a list of "innocents". The main question would be who to lynch next. LSB would be the obvious choice for most of us, due to the fact he survived. Yes, framing by the Mafia could be a possibility, but that isn't important right now. I'm thinking if we choose Chaoser, the benefits would be greater. If we lynch Chaoser, and he flips Traitor, then of course we would know the list is fake and the Traitor issue would be solved. If he flips Mafia, the list would still be fake and LSB is most likely the Traitor. If he flipped Pro-Town Bad Santa, then the list is basically confirmed; Town would have a go-to circle, and all debate about "who could be Mafia" among those players would end immediately. Some might ask, if we lynch LSB, and he flips Traitor/Mafia, wouldn't that confirm Chaoser? The answer would be no, as we still won't know for sure what role and alignment Chaoser is, and for all that matters, he could still be Traitor/Mafia (Depending on what LSB Flips). These are my thoughts in a nutshell. Again, I'll let you guys decide. On September 01 2010 06:36 Fishball wrote:
BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time.
Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. So far only Pandain has spoken out wanting me to check JeeJee, but ~OpZ~ wants him dead. If we are CVing JeeJee tonight, let me know who to check from my post above, so we don't target the same players. BrownBear has been MIA pretty much the entire game but out of the blue, he actually commented on the game itself, and not apologizing for not being here. On September 01 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote:On September 01 2010 11:47 DarthThienAn wrote:On September 01 2010 06:01 citi.zen wrote:
Just to close this loop then: DTA, could you confirm whether or not you got visited by the RB on night one? I would've told the town anything worth telling like that. Notice how he doesn't explicitly say no. Just saying. DTA has been drawing suspicion since early in the game, but has been "performing" a bit better the last couple days. Legitimate or an act. Who knows. Citizen isn't exactly one of my "real" investigation candidates, and should only be investigated if the Bad Santa list is fake. While I'd rather live, I'd also rather the town win. This plan sounds legit and except for giving mafia another night to do shit in, should be followed. Lynch me today if you want, confirm my list, so on. The obvious reason I was talking about is that 1) I have no real reason as mafia to give my list the way I did. Even if you argue that it was to bye citi.zen/opz another day of life, that's basically 2 mafia dead for 1 day of life. LSB was suppose to die last night but CV got role blocked, that's enough proof for me. LSB is either dead last night, or lynched today. If LSB was town, mafia would have just let rasta CV him, then I would be thought of as "traitor" and then you'd all go after me. A townie dies and the next day we're back at step 1, trying to find out who traitor is. You do bring up a good point from the Mafia point of view about bringing up the list, but this argument can go in circles (as well as most of the arguments in Mafia games). Hell, people still accuse me, and to be quite frankly, there is nothing I can do to prove myself 100%, there will always be doubt. The way I see it, both of you are likely to end up dead, due to one of the reasons I listed above. Let's says best case scenario, we do nail LSB as the Traitor, but it doesn't clears you at all. The fact that 3 players would be cleared if you flipped Pro-Town, is a HUGE advantage to Town. Thanks for agreeing with me though.
How about you check LSB tonight and tell us if he has a gun or not? The role-blocker can't block both you and the CV.
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On September 02 2010 03:36 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 03:21 citi.zen wrote:On September 01 2010 23:33 Fishball wrote:On September 01 2010 23:20 chaoser wrote:On September 01 2010 23:09 Fishball wrote:Posting this before I get too busy during the day. So SR flipped Vanilla Townie. We have to assume he is telling the truth, or else he would be banned in future games anyways. That leaves LSB and Chaoser, one of them as the Traitor. We tried CVing LSB the other Night, but Rastaban was role blocked. Chaoser himself should be Bad Santa, and provided a list of "innocents". The main question would be who to lynch next. LSB would be the obvious choice for most of us, due to the fact he survived. Yes, framing by the Mafia could be a possibility, but that isn't important right now. I'm thinking if we choose Chaoser, the benefits would be greater. If we lynch Chaoser, and he flips Traitor, then of course we would know the list is fake and the Traitor issue would be solved. If he flips Mafia, the list would still be fake and LSB is most likely the Traitor. If he flipped Pro-Town Bad Santa, then the list is basically confirmed; Town would have a go-to circle, and all debate about "who could be Mafia" among those players would end immediately. Some might ask, if we lynch LSB, and he flips Traitor/Mafia, wouldn't that confirm Chaoser? The answer would be no, as we still won't know for sure what role and alignment Chaoser is, and for all that matters, he could still be Traitor/Mafia (Depending on what LSB Flips). These are my thoughts in a nutshell. Again, I'll let you guys decide. On September 01 2010 06:36 Fishball wrote:
BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time.
Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. So far only Pandain has spoken out wanting me to check JeeJee, but ~OpZ~ wants him dead. If we are CVing JeeJee tonight, let me know who to check from my post above, so we don't target the same players. BrownBear has been MIA pretty much the entire game but out of the blue, he actually commented on the game itself, and not apologizing for not being here. On September 01 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote:On September 01 2010 11:47 DarthThienAn wrote:On September 01 2010 06:01 citi.zen wrote:
Just to close this loop then: DTA, could you confirm whether or not you got visited by the RB on night one? I would've told the town anything worth telling like that. Notice how he doesn't explicitly say no. Just saying. DTA has been drawing suspicion since early in the game, but has been "performing" a bit better the last couple days. Legitimate or an act. Who knows. Citizen isn't exactly one of my "real" investigation candidates, and should only be investigated if the Bad Santa list is fake. While I'd rather live, I'd also rather the town win. This plan sounds legit and except for giving mafia another night to do shit in, should be followed. Lynch me today if you want, confirm my list, so on. The obvious reason I was talking about is that 1) I have no real reason as mafia to give my list the way I did. Even if you argue that it was to bye citi.zen/opz another day of life, that's basically 2 mafia dead for 1 day of life. LSB was suppose to die last night but CV got role blocked, that's enough proof for me. LSB is either dead last night, or lynched today. If LSB was town, mafia would have just let rasta CV him, then I would be thought of as "traitor" and then you'd all go after me. A townie dies and the next day we're back at step 1, trying to find out who traitor is. You do bring up a good point from the Mafia point of view about bringing up the list, but this argument can go in circles (as well as most of the arguments in Mafia games). Hell, people still accuse me, and to be quite frankly, there is nothing I can do to prove myself 100%, there will always be doubt. The way I see it, both of you are likely to end up dead, due to one of the reasons I listed above. Let's says best case scenario, we do nail LSB as the Traitor, but it doesn't clears you at all. The fact that 3 players would be cleared if you flipped Pro-Town, is a HUGE advantage to Town. Thanks for agreeing with me though. How about you check LSB tonight and tell us if he has a gun or not? The role-blocker can't block both you and the CV. It's fine by me, since I said I'll take suggestions. But why would they Role Block our CV again if we're not hitting LSB? And if we're hitting LSB, and get Role Blocked, and I revealed he has a gun, we still cant kill him until a lynch later, and Chaoser himself is not cleared. If lynching Chaoser flips him green, LSB will have to die regardless, along with 3 confirmed Townies. I really think it isn't necessary to use more resources here. If more people wants me to check LSB, I'll do it. If not, we'll have to figure out our actions fast. So far there are only a few of us that checked in this morning.
Quite the slip-up there comrade. In your view the RB would only stop us if we tried to hit LSB, so we should try to hit someone else, whom the RB would let us kill, right? Peach of a plan - let's allow the mafia more night KPs to use as they wish.
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On September 02 2010 05:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:39 citi.zen wrote:On September 02 2010 03:36 Fishball wrote:On September 02 2010 03:21 citi.zen wrote:On September 01 2010 23:33 Fishball wrote:On September 01 2010 23:20 chaoser wrote:On September 01 2010 23:09 Fishball wrote:Posting this before I get too busy during the day. So SR flipped Vanilla Townie. We have to assume he is telling the truth, or else he would be banned in future games anyways. That leaves LSB and Chaoser, one of them as the Traitor. We tried CVing LSB the other Night, but Rastaban was role blocked. Chaoser himself should be Bad Santa, and provided a list of "innocents". The main question would be who to lynch next. LSB would be the obvious choice for most of us, due to the fact he survived. Yes, framing by the Mafia could be a possibility, but that isn't important right now. I'm thinking if we choose Chaoser, the benefits would be greater. If we lynch Chaoser, and he flips Traitor, then of course we would know the list is fake and the Traitor issue would be solved. If he flips Mafia, the list would still be fake and LSB is most likely the Traitor. If he flipped Pro-Town Bad Santa, then the list is basically confirmed; Town would have a go-to circle, and all debate about "who could be Mafia" among those players would end immediately. Some might ask, if we lynch LSB, and he flips Traitor/Mafia, wouldn't that confirm Chaoser? The answer would be no, as we still won't know for sure what role and alignment Chaoser is, and for all that matters, he could still be Traitor/Mafia (Depending on what LSB Flips). These are my thoughts in a nutshell. Again, I'll let you guys decide. On September 01 2010 06:36 Fishball wrote:
BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time.
Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. So far only Pandain has spoken out wanting me to check JeeJee, but ~OpZ~ wants him dead. If we are CVing JeeJee tonight, let me know who to check from my post above, so we don't target the same players. BrownBear has been MIA pretty much the entire game but out of the blue, he actually commented on the game itself, and not apologizing for not being here. On September 01 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote:On September 01 2010 11:47 DarthThienAn wrote:On September 01 2010 06:01 citi.zen wrote:
Just to close this loop then: DTA, could you confirm whether or not you got visited by the RB on night one? I would've told the town anything worth telling like that. Notice how he doesn't explicitly say no. Just saying. DTA has been drawing suspicion since early in the game, but has been "performing" a bit better the last couple days. Legitimate or an act. Who knows. Citizen isn't exactly one of my "real" investigation candidates, and should only be investigated if the Bad Santa list is fake. While I'd rather live, I'd also rather the town win. This plan sounds legit and except for giving mafia another night to do shit in, should be followed. Lynch me today if you want, confirm my list, so on. The obvious reason I was talking about is that 1) I have no real reason as mafia to give my list the way I did. Even if you argue that it was to bye citi.zen/opz another day of life, that's basically 2 mafia dead for 1 day of life. LSB was suppose to die last night but CV got role blocked, that's enough proof for me. LSB is either dead last night, or lynched today. If LSB was town, mafia would have just let rasta CV him, then I would be thought of as "traitor" and then you'd all go after me. A townie dies and the next day we're back at step 1, trying to find out who traitor is. You do bring up a good point from the Mafia point of view about bringing up the list, but this argument can go in circles (as well as most of the arguments in Mafia games). Hell, people still accuse me, and to be quite frankly, there is nothing I can do to prove myself 100%, there will always be doubt. The way I see it, both of you are likely to end up dead, due to one of the reasons I listed above. Let's says best case scenario, we do nail LSB as the Traitor, but it doesn't clears you at all. The fact that 3 players would be cleared if you flipped Pro-Town, is a HUGE advantage to Town. Thanks for agreeing with me though. How about you check LSB tonight and tell us if he has a gun or not? The role-blocker can't block both you and the CV. It's fine by me, since I said I'll take suggestions. But why would they Role Block our CV again if we're not hitting LSB? And if we're hitting LSB, and get Role Blocked, and I revealed he has a gun, we still cant kill him until a lynch later, and Chaoser himself is not cleared. If lynching Chaoser flips him green, LSB will have to die regardless, along with 3 confirmed Townies. I really think it isn't necessary to use more resources here. If more people wants me to check LSB, I'll do it. If not, we'll have to figure out our actions fast. So far there are only a few of us that checked in this morning. Quite the slip-up there comrade. In your view the RB would only stop us if we tried to hit LSB, so we should try to hit someone else, whom the RB would let us kill, right? Peach of a plan - let's allow the mafia more night KPs to use as they wish. Trying hard citizen? That statement was just in reply to your idiotic proposal of checking LSB. I try to keep my manners, but it's obviously you're just single minded. I have no problems whatsoever if we try to CV him again, like what Pandain proposed.
You stated you think the RB will not block us if we hit someone other than LSB. I would restate that more broadly as follows: we cannot use the CV hit tonight to kill a red, the mafia will not allow it!
Do you still think we should switch our CV target in the hope the hit will go through?
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On September 02 2010 06:40 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 06:04 citi.zen wrote:
You stated you think the RB will not block us if we hit someone other than LSB.
No, I did not say that, nor imply that. That is what YOU think what I said. Simple question, blown out of proportion. Big surprise. Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 06:04 citi.zen wrote:
I would restate that more broadly as follows: we cannot use the CV hit tonight to kill a red, the mafia will not allow it!
Do you still think we should switch our CV target in the hope the hit will go through?
I think I know what you're trying to say now. You're basically implying Rastaban will be blocked for sure. That I don't know; I'm an equally good target to be blocked, even yourself as the Tracker to a lesser extent. Hell, we still don't know if we have a JOAT or not. It is also not guaranteed that we WILL hit a red. At the end, they will have to pick.
No, I am not saying "he will get role blocked for sure". I am saying that if the CV tells everyone he is targeting mafia, he will be roleblocked. If he announces he will hit a townie, he might not be blocked, since mafia likes dead townies.
You haven't answered my question: do you still favor switching the CV's target?
Pandain, do you follow any of this?
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And yes, I think JeeJee needs to claim.
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Way to avoid giving your opinion, and try to start an argument instead.
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On September 02 2010 08:15 Fishball wrote:
Fuck, there are more typos.
Citizen's logic is making me cringe.
Just to add a bit more content, lets assume we do have an original target "A".
If town can find a better target "B", then sure " I will favor switching the CV's target".
Wrong, in this case that only gives the Mafia more options. If you are wrong about the "better " target it can result in an option to kill a townie. If you are right about the "better" target the Mafia will role block the CV.
Fishball and lsb are 90% confirmed reds in my eyes.
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I survived a hit last night.
Also, I tracked lsb to myself.
##vote LSB
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On September 02 2010 11:34 LSB wrote:
I got a proposal guys!
How about you let me live today, and me and Rasta duke it out at night! I'll show you that I'm the CV!
Only if you promise to bring that ice-cream by my house again.
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Actually, Pandain might be right, let's think about this for a bit, we have 48h.
##unvote
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