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Edit for the post above.
#3 is an example.
The last quote is Pandians
On August 30 2010 03:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 00:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 30 2010 00:26 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote:
Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea
Tracker follow Fishball
Medic protect Fishball
This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig SouthrawreaWhy the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once Problem here is...I think you were traitor, and now mafia, and Fishball is mafia...So...Combine two and two...and you get four...So Fishball will say you don't have a weapon even if you do? How about JOAT investigates Fishballs!!! Yaaaaaaaay. Sry, you missed this post LSB =D Him being Bullet Bill and doing anything doesn't confirm you. We know his role, not his alignment. If he is mafia, and you were traitor you could have A) been converted last night, and he could be mafia, thereby nullifies usefulness B) Be converted by him visiting you tonight C)*Random assortment of you living, and being PoD* PoD is kind of a boring role, so I think traitor is more likely.
That's why the JOAT should investigate fishball
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On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote:LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] +On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#9512. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes.
1. Why in the would would subversion draft a role that the town reserved above him? He has 0% chance of getting it. o.o
Sure, he might have wanted to draft Vengeful Player, or Godfather because those are available. Those are good mafia roles. And more importantly, he has a chance of getting it :O OMG wow! Probability is so hard!
2.We told him that beforehand.
On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:53 Radfield wrote:
I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun
Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it?
Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor. I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it.
3. If your the Rolecop, you can't be the traitor. :O Omg! Never thought of that!
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His claiming rolecop only confirmed my theory. My theory hinges on Subversions choice
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I'm alive!
(give me some time to go through the posts, i was counting on you guys killing SR today. But I guess we're going to have to work)
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Chaoser, am I on your list?
That would be very helpful.
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Okay a little roleclaim list. If the formatting is off, that's cause it didn't copy nicely from my excell.
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Name Claim/Role
rastaban: CV
chaoser: Bad Santa
LSB: PoD
Hesmyrr: Vanilla Town
zeks: Rolecop
SouthRawrea Vanilla
Subversion: Vanilla Mafia
Fishball: Watcher
~Opz~: Tracker
citi.zen: Tracker
BrownBear:
JeeJee:
DarthThienAn:
siNiquity:
Divinek:
Radfield: Vanilla
Bill Murray: Mason
bumatlarge: Watcher
Pandain: Martyr
With Radfield flipping Vanilla, it does suggest that the tracker role is taken.
Ofc, two fake claims would be hilarious.
On August 31 2010 11:24 bumatlarge wrote:
1 person visited LSB, so either citizen is lying or red put another visit onto LSB to throw me off.
I didn't get any PMs.
So either, Rasta hit SR, and SR is traitor. Now mafia.
Rasta hits me. Gets roleblocked, some random role targets/protects me.
Rasta: Who did you kill?
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People we need to hear from:
Opz: Needs to answer citi.zen's accusation
Honestly, I don't think he will do this well.
Fishball: If fishball was town would he want to kill of opz?
On August 31 2010 11:27 Fishball wrote:
If everyone decides to follow your lynch, I will cast my vote for Opz as well.
But I want everyone, including you, to remember one thing.
I said he has no gun, and that is a true as it gets.
At the same time though, it would suck if we lost our Bullet Bill
JeeJee: He's probably doc, maybe he could say something about what happened night 2. Also he can back up citi.zens claim.
JeeJee: Please confirm or deny citi.zens claim. You do not need to roleclaim
Rasta: I really want to know why I'm alive.
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On August 31 2010 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
AHEM I MEAN
Bumatlarge was high as a kite that evening. Town actually appreciated his batman antics and gave him some pot, which is legal in liquidia ofc. Batman mask set, he roamed the night. HOLY SHIT A CAT. Oh look LSD's house. Bum sneaks in the back alley, tries to climb over a fence, but it swings open at the climax of his climb. Gravity being the bitch that it is, sent bum on a 3 foot skydive into a trashcan! HOLY SHIT A RACCOON. OW. Bum thanks his lucky stars he developed a rabies immunity when he got bit by that raccoon a second ago. Before Bum could question his reasoning, he runs into some dude smokin a cig at the backdoor.
"Sup homes" Bum said in his gravelly voice
"Uh hello"
"You the tracker?" Bum said in his cementy voice
"Sure.. are you high?"
"YOU BET" Bum said in a stoned voice
bum quickly started talking about his encounters with untame beasts and popular topics often discussed by the stalkers of the night, and the other guy smoked a whole pack. before bum knew it, the sun was coming out!
"Aight later did what I needed too" and then he left.
"Oh wait- oh fudgepops" Bum pebbled.
Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too, trying to enjoy my last night properly!
That could explain some of your posts though!
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Screw this, this is too confusing.
Rasta! Kill me now! And this time don't mess it up
Okay, real post.
Assuming everyone is perfectly rational
1. Chaoser is traitor. Ace's explination for all the tracking still confuses me (what happens if a tracker tracks a vanilla mafia?). But chaoser could be unconverted traitor and lie
2. Opz is Joat, and fishball lied. Main problem, if Opz knew fishball was mafia, opz would have shot him
3. Someone knows something and is trying to draw out more information by killing someone.
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Okay, ace ninjaed me. That makes sense. Thanks!
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On August 31 2010 12:39 chaoser wrote:
yeah, i'm not traitor lol. I said you can lynch me to confirm my list but at this point SR really should be dead. The fact that the CV was blocked from hitting him looks like mafia was trying to save him via roleblocker
(this also replies your other post)
I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town
The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser.
Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more
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Sounds good.
Lets wait for rasta/opz before we get a wagon started
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Gaaa, ninjad again 
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On September 01 2010 03:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Apparently rasta visited LSB.
He couldn't have, or else I'd be dead o.o
Anyways, he was roleblocked. Im thinking mafia sent a random role to visit me since they guessed that bum would be watching me.
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On August 31 2010 12:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 12:39 chaoser wrote:
yeah, i'm not traitor lol. I said you can lynch me to confirm my list but at this point SR really should be dead. The fact that the CV was blocked from hitting him looks like mafia was trying to save him via roleblocker (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more
Okay, now that everyone has reported back, I've made my decision.
Opz has an excellent reason for claiming tracker. He was trying to bait the mafia but it didn't work. Please take your vote off of Opz. We will need to confirm Chaoser anyways, so it would be reduntent to try to vertify Opz story now
Rasta got a pm for being roleblocked. Even though he targeted me, the mafia thought he was going to target SR. By roleblocking Rasta, SR lives.
Bum saw that someone visisted me last night. Since it was not rasta, this means that mafia has a visiting role
This is because the mafia is the only logical group that would visit me. Unless of course someone could claim
So of the 3 mafia, there is at least a visiting role and a roleblocker.
Chaoser is trustworthy. Confirming him would be very very good.
Of course, we shouldn't just kill him, but once we find the traitor, Chaoser is in the clear.
Where's the traitor then? Well, lets go back to day one. Somehow Southrawrea slipped under our radar, and I don't want to see it again.
More importantly, notice how SR's contributions dramtically decline after the first day, at the same time, he was not under heavy suspicion.
##VOTE: Southrawrea
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All right.
So, I thought SR was traitor. I guess I was wrong. That leaves Chaoser. I know he is traitor.
Even though he is traitor, by killing him we at least can confirm me. I'm predicting that the Mafia would probably attack me tonight because after Chaoser flips traitor, they want to get rid of the only confirmed townie.
Compvig: Chaoser
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On September 02 2010 00:04 citi.zen wrote:We should not forget this: Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 11:47 LSB wrote:On August 31 2010 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
AHEM I MEAN
Bumatlarge was high as a kite that evening. Town actually appreciated his batman antics and gave him some pot, which is legal in liquidia ofc. Batman mask set, he roamed the night. HOLY SHIT A CAT. Oh look LSD's house. Bum sneaks in the back alley, tries to climb over a fence, but it swings open at the climax of his climb. Gravity being the bitch that it is, sent bum on a 3 foot skydive into a trashcan! HOLY SHIT A RACCOON. OW. Bum thanks his lucky stars he developed a rabies immunity when he got bit by that raccoon a second ago. Before Bum could question his reasoning, he runs into some dude smokin a cig at the backdoor.
"Sup homes" Bum said in his gravelly voice
"Uh hello"
"You the tracker?" Bum said in his cementy voice
"Sure.. are you high?"
"YOU BET" Bum said in a stoned voice
bum quickly started talking about his encounters with untame beasts and popular topics often discussed by the stalkers of the night, and the other guy smoked a whole pack. before bum knew it, the sun was coming out!
"Aight later did what I needed too" and then he left.
"Oh wait- oh fudgepops" Bum pebbled. Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too, trying to enjoy my last night properly! That could explain some of your posts though! Bum claims he saw a visitor go to LSB. LSB gives a bizarre answer: "Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too". Then he tries to make a little joke re: being high (nervous much?). He never brings up the night visit again! I know if I were a townie I would be a lot more curious: why would anyone visit me on the night I was supposed to be CV-ed, while the CV is getting role-blocked? If it happened to me I'd be thinking "I was framed - Chaoser must be the traitor! The mafia must have two traveling roles! This is who I think you need to look at after my death..." LSB did none of that. In fact, LSB claims on the very next page that he does not think Chaoser is the traitor:
Sigh, I guess I have to requote most of my posts for citizen. AGAIN
On September 01 2010 03:25 LSB wrote: He couldn't have, or else I'd be dead o.o Anyways, he was roleblocked. Im thinking mafia sent a random role to visit me since they guessed that bum would be watching me.
On September 01 2010 03:40 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 12:55 LSB wrote:On August 31 2010 12:39 chaoser wrote:
yeah, i'm not traitor lol. I said you can lynch me to confirm my list but at this point SR really should be dead. The fact that the CV was blocked from hitting him looks like mafia was trying to save him via roleblocker (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more Okay, now that everyone has reported back, I've made my decision. Opz has an excellent reason for claiming tracker. He was trying to bait the mafia but it didn't work. Please take your vote off of Opz. We will need to confirm Chaoser anyways, so it would be reduntent to try to vertify Opz story now Rasta got a pm for being roleblocked. Even though he targeted me, the mafia thought he was going to target SR. By roleblocking Rasta, SR lives. Bum saw that someone visisted me last night. Since it was not rasta, this means that mafia has a visiting roleThis is because the mafia is the only logical group that would visit me. Unless of course someone could claim So of the 3 mafia, there is at least a visiting role and a roleblocker. Chaoser is trustworthy. Confirming him would be very very good. Of course, we shouldn't just kill him, but once we find the traitor, Chaoser is in the clear. Where's the traitor then? Well, lets go back to day one. Somehow Southrawrea slipped under our radar, and I don't want to see it again. More importantly, notice how SR's contributions dramtically decline after the first day, at the same time, he was not under heavy suspicion. ##VOTE: Southrawrea
I did much analysis on what it means that the Mafia sent a role after me. We know a visiting night role is a Mafia member.
I did everything I can, except for asking the mafia to claim. But that's increadibly dumb, mafia would never fall for that trick http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=64#1279who would do that?
Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 12:55 LSB wrote:On August 31 2010 12:39 chaoser wrote:
yeah, i'm not traitor lol. I said you can lynch me to confirm my list but at this point SR really should be dead. The fact that the CV was blocked from hitting him looks like mafia was trying to save him via roleblocker (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more Think about that: we've already established one of them has to be the traitor, but LSB tells us he does not think it's Chaoser!I think LSB is our traitor, just recruited last night.
What I said was that between Chaoser and SR, I was leaning on SR being the traitor.
Now I am certain that Chaoser is the traitor.
Let's look at what Chaoser thinks
On September 01 2010 15:21 chaoser wrote:
Hmm interesting...so me rasta or LSB is a traitor...
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On September 02 2010 10:19 chaoser wrote:
A question for LSB then, you were suppose to be vigied last night. But CV got blocked. Why would mafia do that if you were townie? It'd be better if you got CVed and then all the suspicion of traitor falls on me.
Mafia probably wanted you guys to waste a daylynch on me, rather than a night action. Also, by sending someone to me, and roleblocking Rastaban, they probably wanted to set up Rasta so he looks like he's a mafia visiting me.
If they CV'd me, you'd be exposed a day earlier. o.o
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Ace ninjad me again
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Okay, I'll claim right now, I am the compulsive vigilntee. I accidentally picked the wrong role.
I'm very insecure and I didn't want you guys to think I was not able to read the list correctly.
To my suprise, I actually recieved the role! First Night I decided to try to kill Rasta (Since he claimed), it didn't work since he was medic protected.
This night I decided to try to kill Rasta again... but my, that little guy, he was medic protected again o.o
##VOTE: Rastaban Cause he's the traitor
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