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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 15 2010 17:57 GMT
#651
If there's one day you need to really pay attention to this game, it's now. Do your own reading and make up your minds. If you have a better theory than what I gave you on Korynne, feel free to offer it. If you want to lynch me instead, do that. Just don't get sidetracked talking about the next night phase, don't abstain and don't bandwagon on blind faith just because you don't want to read. When you cast your vote, whatever it may be, be confident you've done your due diligence.

That is all.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 15 2010 23:43 GMT
#659
This is still where I am, in the absence of any new information:

On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:
Look at this vote list:

Show nested quote +
youngminii (4)
Divinek
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Scamp

chaoser (2)
Korynne
zeks

Abstain/No Lynch (2)
bumatlarge
LSB

Bill Murray (1)
youngminii

Not voted yet (2): chaoser, Jayme

The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now.

Meaning:

* Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed").
* Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red.

I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it.

That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne.

The weekend is here!

Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 01:07 GMT
#666
On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference.

Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious?

Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 01:19 GMT
#669
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 01:25 GMT
#672
On August 16 2010 10:18 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote:
On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:
On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference.

Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious?

Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help.

Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners.

Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy.

Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal?

I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 01:38 GMT
#674
On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red?


It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town.

If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night.

It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 01:47 GMT
#676
On August 16 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote:
That said,

##Vote Korynne

citi.zen, what's your penalty? jw, because I don't have yours in my chart =D.

I'll phrase mine exactly as Jayme phrased it awhile ago. I look guilty. lolol.

Also, @BM: What is your penalty? I just want to be sure because it seems like you were lying for the first half of the game or so, and thus, the list would be wrong.

Updating the list:

Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim.
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night
Jayme: Goth: looks guilty
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.


Unlike the mafia, I was not given a "safe" penalty. If I post my penalty the mafia can use it to kill me, so forgive me but I can't.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 19:32 GMT
#690
On August 17 2010 03:41 Korynne wrote:
If BM claims to vigi me and mafia doesn't shoot or shoots me at night then like, they basically wasted a chance to kill someone. Like if we lynch BM if he doesn't shoot me, then if mafia doesn't shoot anyone/shoots me at night that's the equivalent of them shooting BM instead at night, and we lynch someone else during the day, which is giving us another chance at hitting mafia, so it's not bad.

So like seriously, can we lynch someone else today and then:
1) I follow instructions and vote majority, BM vigis me tonight
2) I don't follow instructions and don't vote majority, BM vigis someone else or doesn't vigi at night, you guys lynch me tomorrow (if I'm town I wouldn't screw you guys over and so if it's LYLO lynching me is totally fine because then I'm obviously mafia)
3) Me + someone else doesn't die tonight, in which case we lynch BM tomorrow

Like, lynch BM if I'm the only one that dies. If BM's mafia and can't vigi, then obviously lynch him. If BM's not mafia then mafia framed him, but like I said, that's equivalent to killing him at night.

How do you feel about Chaoser?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 21:27 GMT
#693
On August 17 2010 05:21 Korynne wrote:
citi.zen, I don't feel about anyone. Like I said, just not me or BM.

With a lot of you adamant on me being mafia, anyone I bring up strongly kind of becomes a big circle of WIFOM.

So taking out me and BM for obvious reasons (execution of the plan), the choices we have are:
chaoser
citi.zen
Divinek
bumatlarge
Scamp
LSB

From word/penalty/role claims, I would go for chaoser, Darth, Scamp, or Divinek. I guess I'll do an analysis of each when I get home today.

Your plan requires:

a. A better, 3rd lynch candidate (right now you and BM have all the votes); and
b. A bandwagon for that candidate.

Waiting until the last moment after we've had a 72h day seems designed to distract, more than find reds or implement your plan. Still, finally hearing your thoughts will be interesting.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 21:44 GMT
#697
Jayme could well be red as well, so I think lynching Korynne is still the better bet.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 21:52 GMT
#699
On August 17 2010 06:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote:
seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes


Come to think of it, why isn't chaoser dead? Why would mafia hit zeks? To remove the threat of the +1 vote? All they would need to do that is prevent zeks from being lynched.


Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 10:11 chaoser wrote:
I am Obvious. I'm starting to think that there is no townie role, everyone is just blue. Think about the penalties so far, Ace could only do an action if he tells it ahead of time, meaning everyone will know/suspect he's blue. And Pyrr's is that he had to wait till Night 2. Those are some crazy penalties. Unless we're all blue.


This post obviously implies that he's either blue or red. So if he's not red, mafia would know that he's blue. So why would they hit zeks, who was just a townie?

##unvote
Vote chaoser


Meh... once you switched you already saved Korynne. She will obviously not vote for herself. Divinek said he's 100% willing to switch as well, bringing Korynne to 2 votes and making this a race between BM and Chaoser. Bad choice in my view, but it is what it is.

##unvote
##Vote Chaoser


Korynne, please get on the wagon :-)
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 22:26 GMT
#708
Yup. We must hit a red.

Korynne, that suspect analysis would still be appreciated.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 22:37 GMT
#713
On August 17 2010 07:30 LSB wrote:
##Unovte
##Vote: Abstain

I'm suspicious why suddenly Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThienAn accepted this plan. I'd like a bit more thinking time.

The main problem is looking at Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThieAn as the three group mafia. They know that if this plan goes through, it's gg.

I never accepted it. I'd still like to lynch korynne, but I ain't got the votes. Having everyone on that wagon would be ideal to keep our options open, I've said as much many times.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 22:42 GMT
#714
On August 17 2010 07:33 Korynne wrote:
I've been too lazy and not having enough time to do anything. What happens if me and chaoser are town?

Lol - to think you'll get away with it too!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 22:51 GMT
#716
Notice nobody defended chaoser yet, even a little bit.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 23:07 GMT
#719
Korynne is still red, regardless of how chaoser flips. She needs to go, or the mafia get 2x free passes and a flawless win.

Lynching her today is still the best plan.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 16 2010 23:12 GMT
#720
Here:

Unvote
##vote korynne

If you two switch, we have the votes since korynne can't switch.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 17 2010 00:16 GMT
#729
On August 17 2010 09:12 Scamp wrote:
I'm really not sure what the vote count is right now. I hope my vote isn't needed.

##vote: abstain

Be a good sport and get on the wagon.

Same with everyone else.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 17 2010 00:32 GMT
#734
Time for the drum roll!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 17 2010 01:27 GMT
#738
On August 17 2010 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:
Well unless you have 1 vote, you should start using them. We will need you for lylo, so I guess adjust yourself accordingly

He voted last lynch cycle.
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