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On August 10 2010 12:43 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:42 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 12:35 Ace wrote:On August 10 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road  How can you even begin to make these calculations without knowing what other blue roles there are? Not only that, but you assume based on them that you have a "hidden ability" which may or may not make sense. I see how these claims would be convenient though, now that you're to be lynched next. *yawn* How much you wanna bet I don't get lynched? Way to not answer the real question. *yawn* Hey citizen, do YOU think I should use my power? You know, the one that screwes town over completely?
Why would you? If we get to a point where it makes sense maybe, right now I don't see it.
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On August 11 2010 00:08 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 23:22 chaoser wrote:
jesus, i'm gone for a night and shit goes down -_-. Why didn't people get off Pyrr when he claimed DT? I guess it was too late at that point? Ace, you got some explaining to do...what is this "hidden ability" stuff about? A bunch of BS that Ace made up.
He didn't make it up, he logically deduced, based on the few penalties people posted so far, and without knowledge of the blue roles included in the game. I mean... the town was at -3 versus the "baseline" - what else could be going on besides hidden abilities??
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On August 11 2010 00:59 chaoser wrote:
mm, are you sure it's bs? I want him to talk about it first/how he came tot he conclusion that he has a hidden ability before I decide
You mean this:
On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
This is version 2 of what he told us day one, and it's still pretty bad.
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This makes no sense - ace was going to get lynched next anyway.
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On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road
What I also don't get is this: why hasn't Ace visited someone last night? He said he'd have to telegraph us the action, but he hasn't done so. His statement above implied he can check multiple people, why skip last night? He mentioned nothing about a penalty that he has to wait until night 2.
Also, his role role was "Nyctophobic Doctor" - any insight into what that means? Usually afraid of the dark, but in this context? It sucks that even after people dies we have no idea what their roles or penalties were.
I have no idea why he'd be have such a role and play the way he did.
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On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.
The thought did cross my mind. He certainly isn't trying to help the town either.
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On August 11 2010 13:50 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?
And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming. well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me. Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm. So he's either lying about his role, and he's town Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf
Ace said he'd have to telegraph us the action.
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OK... not talking will get us stuck. It's now 8v3, with a dead detective and medic. We need some activity here...
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On August 11 2010 23:28 Korynne wrote:
Can Hesmyrr provide a list of the 4 people who were on the lynch wagon yesterday?
I'm assuming since BM claimed he's pretty much getting shot tonight. So we should vote for what target he'll be vigi-ing? If he doesn't get shot we'll have a pretty confirmed townie if someone else also dies at night (presumably to mafia).
I also read through the last couple posts that Ace made, doesn't seem to be anything anywhere that suggests that he claimed to us who he protected. And he even mentioned like oh hey I'm going to tell you guys who I'm going to visit because I think I'm going to die if I visit scum.
Oh also, citi.zen, why do you think I'm red? xD
It was your post where you thought Ace was acting "normal" and Pyrr was fishy. I've not seen Ace ask for a mass claim before with such a bad plan before and then defend it as badly as he did. Pyrr's ongoing criticism of it made sense to me, so your read of their respective positions is tough to get. Of course, it turns out that was the DT fighting wighting with the medic. It would be hilarious if BM really is the vigi who to get the medic lynched on day one.
Bill's is an interesting claim. I am guessing there has to be a vigi in the game (or two?). If there is no counter-claim I say let's not lynch BM today. His penalty, if true, is interesting as well for today's vote.
Also worth wondering when it starts to make sense to just claim and state our penalties publicly, now that more and more important blue roles are already dead.
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My adjective is "suicidal". Still wondering about a fuller claim.
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On August 12 2010 00:54 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 00:43 Korynne wrote:
Adjective Claims:
Ace: Nytophobic
Pyrr: Cautious
Korynne: Dogmatic
zeks: Pitiful
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating
Bill Murray:
Divinek:
Jayme:
chaoser: I have a thought here. I'm noticing that LSB, citi.zen, and youngminii have all claimed an adjective but didn't claim their penalties. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
You are correct.
I am not sure it's best to expose the rest of the blues yet. I am open to it though, at this rate we have a dead dt + medic and a public vigi claim, so it may not matter.
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On August 12 2010 02:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok took a gander at that and thought.
If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile.
myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme.
Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it)
Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time.
Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why.
Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red.
chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley.
Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi.
So personnally think
if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead.
if hes green then im done -_-
What is so "Equivocating" about your role?
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On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.
Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?
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On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.
##Vote Bill Murray
Lynch All Liars.
I see no reason. If there is another "real" vigi they can take him out tomorrow night.
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On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him. Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap? Wait... BM has 2 penalties? o.o BTW, we don't have a DT any more.
Good question about BM!
How do you know about DTs?
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On August 12 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 11:03 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him. Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap? Wait... BM has 2 penalties? o.o BTW, we don't have a DT any more. Good question about BM! How do you know about DTs? My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed
Very risky claim for a mafia to make, so this brings you very close to confirmation in my eyes.
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Note that if BM is lying and there is another vig out there, they can just take out BM at night. If this does not happen he will be confirmed anyway.
I actually think Divinek is right, youngminii hasn't even tried to offer anything this game.
##Vote youngminii
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He can't hit youngminii unless youngminii gets on the bandwagon.
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On August 12 2010 23:39 LSB wrote:
youngminii is on the bandwagon right now
LOL, yeah, on the BM bandwagon. Bit of a pickle, eh?
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