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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 12 2010 20:02 GMT
#561
Screw it, this is dumb.

Unvote

##Vote youngminii


Better to take a shot at a suspicious person than not.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 12 2010 20:12 GMT
#562
i need to ask the mod if no lynch wins if that is considered a "bandwagon"
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
August 12 2010 20:29 GMT
#563
Abstain/No lynch is considered to be bandwagon, but if there is tie between no lynch and player bandwagon the player bandwagon will be prioritized no matter what.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 12 2010 20:57 GMT
#564
unvote
vote: youngminii

A lynch is better than a no lynch from a town perspective. Why should we skimp on using our kp?

We don't happen to have any roles like trackers/watchers do we? We could use these to confirm me.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
August 12 2010 21:10 GMT
#565
scum will likely try to just stay on a wagon under no lynch if we no lynch
they might be apt to change their vote to someone who doesnt have a vote on them at the last minute. we can use the information we get today to make an informed decision based on who was trying to stay away from scrutiny of the town.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
August 12 2010 22:45 GMT
#566
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser


The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 23:22 GMT
#567
On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser


The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me

Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game.

Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 12 2010 23:27 GMT
#568
What's the exact time that the day ends? I may need to use one of my votes.
Cheese is good for you!
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 23:35 GMT
#569
Hesmyrr makes his posts on 08:46. That would be in less than 10 minutes I believe
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 12 2010 23:36 GMT
#570
On August 13 2010 08:22 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser


The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me

Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game.

Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting.



hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay

also he's not going to get mod killed

Bill Murray (1)
youngminii

from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date.

And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 23:39 GMT
#571
On August 13 2010 08:36 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 08:22 LSB wrote:
On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Chaoser


The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me

Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game.

Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting.



hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay

also he's not going to get mod killed

Bill Murray (1)
youngminii

from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date.

And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly.

I'd give Youngminii the benefit of the doubt because he said he could not be as active.

The 'perfect plan' would be for BM to kill Youngminii tonight, but obviously it won't be happening.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 12 2010 23:44 GMT
#572
##unvote
##Vote: Youngminii
Cheese is good for you!
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 13 2010 00:10 GMT
#573
How about a little game of chicken. I believe citi.zen, bill murray and LSB are mafia. Korynne is very insistent on giving bill a chance with his vig shot, even though lylo isnt til day 4.
+ Show Spoiler +
Day1 = 9T/3M
Night 1 = 8T/3M
Day 2 = 7T/3M
Night 2 = 6T/3M
Day 3 = 5T/3M
Night 4 = 4T/3M
Day 4 is lylo, and it is day 2 right now, we do not NEED a vig to win the game. Especially if hes very likely red.

Citizen is pretty hard to read, and I admit im not the greatest speculator, but Im sure on this one. Beginning of game, bill vote's ace, because he said he would. Pyrr/Ace situation happens. Citizen votes for BM first thinking hes a lost cause and he might as well build as much cred as he can, because you simply dont outright lie about your role and penalty with 0 confirmation of the person you are accusing, and then pyrr would be the next in line according to ace. Luckily ace looks into it too deeply and accuses pyrr, leading to that whole debacle. After pyrr claimed DT It was between pyrr and bill. I regret voting for pyr, but i noticed something funky. Look at citizen's voting on day 1. At one point he keeps it on BM for a very very long time. Then at the last half-hour he takes his vote off BM and goes to Ace. He saved BM at the last possible moment, and no one even noticed. He apologizes for it an hour later saying he didnt notice the numbers,Thats really all I had for him. Then I read this again.

On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road

Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB. He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-

I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.

Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.

I dare you.

I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 13 2010 00:24 GMT
#574
Mafia tryin to figure out what to do. Have to apologize to ace later, because I am retarded.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 13 2010 00:26 GMT
#575
Alright, alright, you guys are a little shy, so I'll help you out.

##Vote bumatlarge
Together but separate, like oatmeal
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 13 2010 00:36 GMT
#576
##vote LSB
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 13 2010 00:37 GMT
#577
##unvote
##vote BM


shit fuck let my vote go innnn
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 13 2010 00:38 GMT
#578
On August 13 2010 09:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB.

By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain.

It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town.
Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct?

I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823&currentpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults

Dead men do tell lies

He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-


Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr

Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem.
Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me.
As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray.

I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.

Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.

I dare you.

I'll be happy to answer any questions.

Don't kill yourself, I know your town.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 01:00:46
August 13 2010 00:44 GMT
#579
The votes were locked and all votes made after the deadline will be discounted. Writing night post soon.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 13 2010 00:59 GMT
#580
On August 13 2010 09:38 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 09:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB.

By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain.


He died. I dont care about the logic part, I care that he knew his role would get him killed that night if he visited scum.


It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town.
Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct?


You did this before. Completely ignored his claim and focused on his line of reasoning. He said he confirmed something about his role, and it happened. Im not saying I agree with his logic about penalties. Im saying he was right about something with his plan, since he did indeed die at night.


I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823&currentpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults

Dead men do tell lies

Show nested quote +
He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-


Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr

Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem.
Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me.
As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray.


Well then you need to clarify on people, do you think citizen and BM are mafia? I only choose you because of Ace took his visit to the grave. There could still be a vet, but I guess they would have claimed immediately, unless there role prevents them. Jayme for instance seems a like that with Goth, but not sure why he would get hit. We only have a slice of the penalty pie.

I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.

Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.

I dare you.

I'll be happy to answer any questions.

Don't kill yourself, I know your town.[/QUOTE]

Im not killing myself, I'm becoming one with the penalty game. Hummmmmmm
Together but separate, like oatmeal
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