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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
August 12 2010 01:52 GMT
#521
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 12 2010 01:56 GMT
#522
In that case.

##Vote Bill Murray

Lynch All Liars.
lalala
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 12 2010 01:56 GMT
#523
On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.

Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 12 2010 01:58 GMT
#524
On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.

##Vote Bill Murray

Lynch All Liars.

I see no reason. If there is another "real" vigi they can take him out tomorrow night.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 01:58 GMT
#525
OOPS I pressed edit instead of quote @ hesmyrr, can you revert back my previous post?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 01:58 GMT
#526
I'll update Korynne's posts for reference

Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Role
Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting.
Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later
Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions.
zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
LSB: Ambitious Vanilla: (partial penalty claim) After an event, his role changed
citi.zen: Suicidal
youngminii: Selfish
Scamp: Lazy
bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used
Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies.
Divinek: Unwary
Jayme: Goth
chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day.


Okay, I don't get Chaoser's penalty connection with his adjective.

@Bill Murry. Okay, I can confirm that there are NO more DTs. I don't know if it will help you

On August 12 2010 10:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla?

Lets just say after a certain event my abilities were diminished.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 02:14:16
August 12 2010 02:01 GMT
#527
I did put some counter-measures to improve success of town when I changed the setup from 17 player to 13 player, yes, so at the START of the game I believe setup to be not too imbalanced. WIll reveal my thought process post-game.

tl;dr -> My setup was designed to make scum analysis solely based on via claims crap (special rule 3). I felt this interruption was necessary because it seemed my initial message wasn't clear enough for anyone.

[examples]
* LSB is mafia because "obvious" seem too obvious. (meaningless)
* LSB is town because his claim seems too risky. (meaningless)
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 02:01 GMT
#528
On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.

Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?

Wait... BM has 2 penalties?

o.o

BTW, we don't have a DT any more.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 12 2010 02:03 GMT
#529
On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:
On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.

Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?

Wait... BM has 2 penalties?

o.o

BTW, we don't have a DT any more.

Good question about BM!

How do you know about DTs?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 02:05 GMT
#530
On August 12 2010 11:03 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:
On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:
On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.

Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?

Wait... BM has 2 penalties?

o.o

BTW, we don't have a DT any more.

Good question about BM!

How do you know about DTs?

My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 02:06:46
August 12 2010 02:05 GMT
#531
LSB was warned for editing post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=137823&currentpage=26#517

Edit: At least you were the one to tell me first about it.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 02:05 GMT
#532
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 12 2010 02:09 GMT
#533
On August 12 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 11:03 citi.zen wrote:
On August 12 2010 11:01 LSB wrote:
On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote:
On August 12 2010 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Should interfere and state that names of the role, in fact I fabricated I believe to be six ENTIRE role PM for fakeclaim I believe, was also given. There was reason why I said mass claim (penalty or role) was hugely detrimental (read "disaster") to town in a special rules; I took excessive measures to insure you guys could not scumhunt on the basis of claims. Couldn't interfere with disaster in making because proponent - Ace - was still alive and could have affected town's read on him.

Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap?

Wait... BM has 2 penalties?

o.o

BTW, we don't have a DT any more.

Good question about BM!

How do you know about DTs?

My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed

Very risky claim for a mafia to make, so this brings you very close to confirmation in my eyes.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 12 2010 02:25 GMT
#534
On August 12 2010 11:01 Hesmyrr wrote:
I did put some counter-measures to improve success of town when I changed the setup from 17 player to 13 player, yes, so at the START of the game I believe setup to be not too imbalanced. WIll reveal my thought process post-game.

tl;dr -> My setup was designed to make scum analysis solely based on via claims crap (special rule 3). I felt this interruption was necessary because it seemed my initial message wasn't clear enough for anyone.

[examples]
* LSB is mafia because "obvious" seem too obvious. (meaningless)
* LSB is town because his claim seems too risky. (meaningless)


A few things to note: Mafia has incentive to make claims, claims make them look good, and it's not like it's bad for them.

Mafia knows that mass claiming is detrimental (this is because Hesmyrr probably sent them a second part of a PM giving them fake claims).
This means that: Mafia knows they can get away with fake penalties

Lastly, Hesmyrr expects there to be some way we utilize our roles without mass claims.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 12 2010 03:01 GMT
#535
Oh damn thats what safe claim mean lol...

At first I thought they were watered down penalties to not screw them over or something. Now my whole argument for myself is alot weaker
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 12 2010 03:05 GMT
#536
Whoever makes the next list please add that I have a limited number of votes.

This is the third time that I've had to say it.
Cheese is good for you!
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
August 12 2010 04:54 GMT
#537
Here's an idea, update the list yourself. xP
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 12 2010 05:36 GMT
#538
I could do that, but it would just be me copy/pasting LSB's list with "has a limited number of votes" by my name.

But I also think it's a good idea to stray away from the list altogether as someone is making it quite clear that nothing solid is going to be gained from it.
Cheese is good for you!
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
August 12 2010 06:26 GMT
#539
so basically claiming meant nothing...so we're back to no info again. Are we only suppose to play this game via reading scumtells and then using powers to catch them in the act or what? In either case, BM's whole charade with saying he couldn't talk and then letting Pyrr and Ace fight it out seemed VERYY scummy. And now he says he killed Ace which is weird cause that means mafia either didn't hit, or it got blocked, possibly by Ace though that seems off, I'd rather believe Occam's razor that the mafia just hit Ace and BM is lying out his ass.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 12 2010 08:29 GMT
#540
ok so i am extremely inebriated, but i wont be on until just after dead line, or maybe just before if i drive fast cause of work so this will be my vote/justification until then

lets look at young's amazing contribution to the game thus far woooooooooooooooooooo


On August 10 2010 02:47 youngminii wrote:
LOL OKAY I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW THIS GAME STARTED
WILL START READING LOL


spam


On August 11 2010 09:11 youngminii wrote:
Cool so the doctor stabs the DT and then gets killed.

Does anyone think that he might have been Vigi shot? Seems like a plausible explanation to me although that leaves the question of where the mafia KP went unanswered.


states what happened, asks a question, answers question. HI-larious


On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you?

And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming.


enablers exist in mafia, and they seem somewhat reasonable in this set up as long as you dont publicly admit you are an enabler as such, because how else would anyone ever know. I dont see how it fucks with the balance anymore than something like a tree stump.

It does seem like kind of a weird thing to go with a vigi, but not unreasonable? I dunno i think he might be lying bout vigi tos ave his own ass

WAIT, im digressing! This post REEKS of confusion. Just asks 2 questions, without really putting anything forward, typical fanning flames play. Typical mafia not wanting to put anything forward but suspicion on someone else


On August 11 2010 23:54 youngminii wrote:
My adjective is "selfish" which matches my real life persona.


well that is what it is, could have gotten that from his mafia pm or something


On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
In that case.

##Vote Bill Murray

Lynch All Liars.


policy lynch wooooooooooooo, nothing to tie him to the person if that person should flip anything but red. It has also been justified that lynching bm is stupid because he'll die to delicious JUSTICE if he is lying about his role, and if he's not we need to let him live to use it

SHIZA, so to sumarrize this, that doesnt look right, summarize

YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances

so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you.

cheers

##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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