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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 10 2010 18:44 GMT
#442
Hmm ace is your real penalty as mafia that you cant tell lies you know are lies? Hesmyrr's 'penalty warnings' lead me to believe there is 1 or more penalties like that.

Humor me, and say "I am not mafia"
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 10 2010 19:11 GMT
#444
Heh it just occured to me how easy it would be to make up a penalty and just throw in a role from the mafiawiki.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 00:03 GMT
#449
hahaha oh man
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 00:13 GMT
#453
Saves us the trouble, guaranteed he was going to get lynched. I like the sound of mafia hitting a target, ace blocks it, and vig hits ace to save us a lynch.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 00:17 GMT
#455
Maybe Mafia has to kill in alphabetical order
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 00:35 GMT
#458
Well it's starting to make a little sense how this all came to be. Bill is Bill and does his Bill thing. Pyrr in all his DT glory goes ahead and makes a silly assumption about bill right off the bat. Bill being Bill, he agrees and essentially lies () Ace being Ace, instantly sees pyrrs little guess as a scum trick, and underestimates Bill's Billness, and shoots for pyrr as the head honcho of the operation. He only feels more convinced when Bill comes out of his charade. As a result, pyrr dies, which seems an unfortunate coincidence that he was a DT. And now Ace dieing, no matter how he died, is bad luck since he was medic. I think its safe to assume we have at most 2 more blues left, with very little chance either is a DT or medic.

Honestly, Bill deserves a policy lynch for what he has done.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 00:37 GMT
#459
On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote:
oh are you fucking serious?

:/


BTW, sorry for instigating ace, I was just trying to get you to kill me, instead.... sorry lol no hard feelings
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 01:48 GMT
#465
But they would have bought another day keeping ace alive. Is it safe to say mafia has some penalty that forced them to lynch ace? I really dont see any other reason for killing him.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 02:08 GMT
#468
Oh yeah hey, its like pseudo vigi/medic. Thats really strong, but im guessing it can only be used once?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 04:22 GMT
#478
Oh thats what safe penalty claims mean :X thought mafia had some small penalty that was considered "safe"

##Vote Bill Murray
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 15:21 GMT
#495
Adjective: Equivocating
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 17:08 GMT
#501
Ok took a gander at that and thought.

If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile.
myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme.
Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it)
Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time.

Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why.
Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red.
chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley.
Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi.

So personnally think
if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead.
if hes green then im done -_-
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 19:31 GMT
#504
Equivocating is a misleading ambiguous thing. Youd have to ask hesmyr exactly how im equivocating, but I guess its because when I equivocate I add to the mafia numbers and subtract from town, while confirning myself as town. I do believe I was one of the first to say what I was, dont know when zeks said his penalty or role.

You think I made up my role? If another person had a treestump-ish role, im sure they would point it out, as they have nothing to lose if they werent important otherwise. And even if everyone voted for me, I wouldnt treestump anyway. I have absolutely no threatening penalty like zeks or BM as long as I dont use it.

In fact, BMs penalty is sounding really threatening right now. Hell id make a penalty up like that if I were scum.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 11 2010 23:20 GMT
#509
I dont go around building confusion on the first day in a meager attempt to kill someone i dont like, and in the process screw the town over. Its like a trash can, the smell is at the bottom of the can, but we all obsess over whats lying on top. You're the stinky fish under all this stuff bill, not me or LSB.

On August 12 2010 05:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I'll do what the consensus of the town is. LSB, scamp, and bumatlarge are my top 3 suspects.

If noone says anything about it, I'm going to hit LSB, as I found the argument between him and ace to now be townie on townie.


Can you clarify that last sentence? I think you mixed it up a bit and meant mafia on townie. And do you still have a hit? I thought you were implying you hit Ace. Guess not. Got pretty nice protection there, that if you get lynched it takes out a blue role.

Look at it from a third party perspective BM.

1. a. Bum is scum, lynch him based on? (I could have kept my mouth shut here mind you)
b. If towny, lose another day to mis-lynch.
2. a. BM is scum, veritable proof of confusing town. And thats all I have, you voted for pyrr to save yourself, I respect that.
b. If vig, we lose a blue and probably our last one. Also if there is a last blue, he loses his power. Lose another day to mis-lynch.

If I am red, I am relying on people seeing this standpoint, and I would have had to make everything up from the beginning of the game. I came out talking like this for no reason whatsoever. A convoluted WIFOM that gives me the short end of the stick.

I apologize Scamp, I forgot your penalty, so I labeled you as reclusive based off your abstain, since you were posting alot.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 12 2010 01:34 GMT
#516
Um okkkkk guess im gonna state the obvious here chaoser. You are either blue or red, because my pm was in green. bolded green. I may have treestump, but pretty sure thats a neutral town, not blue.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 12 2010 01:42 GMT
#518
Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 12 2010 03:01 GMT
#535
Oh damn thats what safe claim mean lol...

At first I thought they were watered down penalties to not screw them over or something. Now my whole argument for myself is alot weaker
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 12 2010 15:44 GMT
#555
Well alright, but if anything goes whack tomorrow, Im pointing at the BM defenders. As long as BM hits who he says he will hit. Also if there is another vigi, do you think they should come forward? Im fairly certain we should have 1 kp, but two kp is alot in a 13 person game when medic and dt have already died.

##unvote
##vote abstain
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 13 2010 00:10 GMT
#573
How about a little game of chicken. I believe citi.zen, bill murray and LSB are mafia. Korynne is very insistent on giving bill a chance with his vig shot, even though lylo isnt til day 4.
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Day1 = 9T/3M
Night 1 = 8T/3M
Day 2 = 7T/3M
Night 2 = 6T/3M
Day 3 = 5T/3M
Night 4 = 4T/3M
Day 4 is lylo, and it is day 2 right now, we do not NEED a vig to win the game. Especially if hes very likely red.

Citizen is pretty hard to read, and I admit im not the greatest speculator, but Im sure on this one. Beginning of game, bill vote's ace, because he said he would. Pyrr/Ace situation happens. Citizen votes for BM first thinking hes a lost cause and he might as well build as much cred as he can, because you simply dont outright lie about your role and penalty with 0 confirmation of the person you are accusing, and then pyrr would be the next in line according to ace. Luckily ace looks into it too deeply and accuses pyrr, leading to that whole debacle. After pyrr claimed DT It was between pyrr and bill. I regret voting for pyr, but i noticed something funky. Look at citizen's voting on day 1. At one point he keeps it on BM for a very very long time. Then at the last half-hour he takes his vote off BM and goes to Ace. He saved BM at the last possible moment, and no one even noticed. He apologizes for it an hour later saying he didnt notice the numbers,Thats really all I had for him. Then I read this again.

On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote:
Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion:

The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1.

Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0.

When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side.

My penalty
bumatlarge's penalty
zeks penalty

So now we're at -3: 0.

At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die.

This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night.

If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road

Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB. He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-

I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.

Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.

I dare you.

I'll be happy to answer any questions.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 13 2010 00:24 GMT
#574
Mafia tryin to figure out what to do. Have to apologize to ace later, because I am retarded.
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