EPT##Vote: tree.hugger
Still think he's scummy, and where's he been?
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BrownBear
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##Vote: tree.hugger Still think he's scummy, and where's he been? | ||
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BrownBear
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On July 30 2010 08:27 Divinek wrote: why would i let someone who fucking dt checked red defend themselves it is an unproductive waste of towns time you look scummy to me bro i also already claimed vet so if you're voting for me without any evidence that im not a vet you're bad bro I must have missed that, where did you claim? Also, no. Under no circumstances should anyone be ignored if they want to defend themselves. Your narrow-mindedness is part of the reason town's doing as poorly as they are, and it's really getting on my nerves. | ||
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BrownBear
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On July 30 2010 08:34 Divinek wrote: whyyy should i be looked at so closely. For pushing hard to kill someone that dt checked red? What more do you want us to do man, decide not to vote for people who dt check red? We have to lynch them as soon as we can anyways given the good odds we have of reducing mafia kp just from that kill alone Because if mafia see a miller get checked red, they usually tend to push very very hard to lynch that person? Mafia loves having a free day essentially, so they tend to push hard in situations like this, whereas townies are just like "whatevs" and vote. Thus, if Pandain flips miller, it stands to reason the people who pushed the hardest for his lynch are often scum. You know this. I think you're trying to hide that fact. | ||
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From: Pandain [ 793 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Last words and Testimony +will Date: 7/29/10 01:06 Publish this after my death and only after my death. Don't tell anyone, I have to be lynched since it will be best. Better to get one fully debated lynch and a voluntary one rather than 2 half debated ones. I'm going to pittsburg so if i die before I get back please publish this. Last Words: Hello everyone. As you have found out I am a miller. :/ And you have lynched me. Hehe, but its koo dawgs. I wasn't the brightest townie either Youngmini: Secret friendship alliance my fadoodle. See below. Proct: How could you... I mean. Cmon, we were in it together. Than you turn against me? Still, I suppose it isn't bad but still... BETRAYAL! Brownbear: Zeks: Gj man, getting GF and mafia. I'm happy to be a casualty if it means we win. BM: Thank you for hosting this and letting me play! Everyone else: Thank you for playing with me/helping with me/pointing out my huge flaws/ Just final words of advice for the town. Take it or not, it may be bad hehe. n.n Think thigns through. Don't just vote because one guy says so. Debate it. Is it logical? Will: My pet Pandet, my son Pando and wife Pandria go to Brown bear. He's the only one who still believed me. The black plague goes to youngmini, cause he didn't trust me even though we had a secret friendship alliance. Also youngmini, you're lucky I let you off the bet. I was going to make you do what Roffles was supposed to XD My ashes go to my love Subversive. That way you will be forever emotionally scarred. | ||
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On July 30 2010 12:19 youngminii wrote: @ BrownBear: There's no need for Vets to claim, I already know who they are (thanks Zeks/lakrismamma), I'll stop town if they're about to be lynched. Ok :D I wasn't sure zeks had told anyone, so I wanted to cover our bases. Since you know, no need to worry about that crap. | ||
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On July 30 2010 12:19 citi.zen wrote: Lol - I sincerely congratulated panda for playing a good red game. Turns out he was town - I take it all back. Guys, give him a break. It's his first game. All of us didn't play to our fullest potential our first game. | ||
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BrownBear
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Your style of play says that if someone checks red they get lynched no matter what. It's a black and white style of play, and it is legitimate. My style of play says that it's more shades of grey, especially if Millers are in the game. I decided that since Pandain and I had been sharing PMs and talking about things since about Day 2, and I had gotten a very pro-town read off of him, I would trust my instincts and trust that he was miller #2. Obviously, you think my style of play is stupid, and I think your style of play is narrow-minded. Arguing about it isn't going to get anywhere. Let's just agree that we lynched Pandain, he flipped miller, and now we're moving on. Before I take my vote off of you, though, please quote your post where you claimed vet. I still didn't see it reading through the last 5 or so pages, and I'm too lazy to read further back  | ||
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On July 31 2010 02:15 chaoser wrote: It's not stupid, but it's a very dangerous type of play. You can have people like BC or such who can play pro-town ish and make great arguments and in the end sway people's votes away from him even if he is mafia. It's happened several times before in other games where someone will be flipped red, claim miller/insane DT and argue people away from lynching them when they were mafia. People can play anti-town/make bad calls and still be town but appear as mafia. People can play pro-town and still be mafia and appear as town. If you start playing the grey, it gets very very hard to tell if it's a town grey or a mafia grey. The best way, and most heavyhanded way, is to kill anyone who flips red. I agree that that's a logical way to play, it's just not the way I choose to play. In most situations, I prefer to make a judgement call. When it was BC on the chopping block, I listened to him, and his arguments nearly convinced me. However, I know how deceptive of a player he is, and I had had no contact with him apart from in the thread, so I made the judgement call to keep my vote on him. For Pandain, it was different. It's his first game, so I felt more comfortable assuming he wasn't running any major deceptions (not a knock on your skill panda, just the fact that newbies don't tend to run the kind of high-level mindgames BC and Ace do <3). Also, I had a long PM history with him, so I had a lot more information to go on, and I considered him to be very pro-town. Thus, I made the judgement call to trust him. Am I wrong sometimes? Certainly. Does it bite me in the ass? Of course. However, it's no different from your style of thinking - sometimes it's wrong, sometimes it isn't. In this case, my way of thinking happened to be correct. Of course I could have been wrong and Pandain could have been mafia. However, I think my judgement is usually pretty sound, so I defer to it over just blindly following orders. If you call that bad play, I seriously question you. | ||
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BrownBear
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I still don't think it's bad play. Guess you all do tho, whatevs :D <3 you too young ^^ | ||
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On July 31 2010 09:40 DarthThienAn wrote: no love for the dead guy. </3 <3<3<3<3<3<3 :D | ||
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BrownBear
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Ugh. Will think on who to vote. | ||
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I want to raise the topic of Misder's inactivity - namely, it's nothing new. TL Mafia XXVI: Day 1: Shows up late, votes for me for Mayor right after I withdraw my candidacy, then doesnt post. Throughout the rest of the game, posted the bare minimum to stay alive, only stayed on bandwagons, occasionally popped up with some kinda-alright analysis... you get the picture. Only thing he had going for him this game was, he ended up being green. It's possible he is doing the exact same thing again. I went further back, and couldn't find any other games, so this is all we got to go on. | ||
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On August 02 2010 04:30 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...And you could be protecting Misder to keep the mafia KP at two. I don't give a crap about whether Misder lives or dies, I was just trying to do what Protact told us to and post solid evidence. If you really think it's that scummy then just vote for me, don't give me this crap. Given that this is essentially LYLO, I want us to vote correctly, not vote kneejerk. Since a lot of people have stacked onto Misder, I want to post the other side so that we make absolutely sure we're voting for the right guy. If Misder is town, it would be easy for mafia to stack on him and end the day with another failed lynch. Since that hasn't happened yet, there's a decent chance he's mafia, but again, it's essentially LYLO. We have to be 100% sure before we vote, we can't just say "oh he's inactive, so he's not helping the town, so it doesn't matter if he dies right guys?" Unless there's some other huge reveal/scumslip, though, my vote will go to Misder. | ||
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On August 02 2010 05:17 Protactinium wrote: I made a long post a while ago that was, sadly, ignored, which called for everybody to analyze each other. Since I see that there's not much discussion going on and I don't see that there will be much (why so inactive, town...) I once again propose for everybody to analyze somebody else, say the next surviving person above you or below you on the player roster. Either way, I don't care too much as I expect this to be ignored as well. Don't give up! This type of stuff is amazing for town. | ||
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On August 02 2010 05:27 Divinek wrote: also just an fyi for town people acting like proct are right now shouldnt be cleared and be like 'oh look he's helping out town by posting big blocks of text he can't be red!' dont judge him on his contributions at this point, judge him on his objectives. At this stage in the game it'd be perfectly fine for all of the mob to put themselves under the spotlight so long as to direct us to one more mis lync. not that im saying he's red, just keep that in mind you few people that actually read and post in this thread still! Yep, I have been keeping that in mind! I'm just glad SOMEONE'S posting walls of text, and he has highlighted the points we need to go off of, so so far I have no complaints. | ||
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BrownBear
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##Vote: Misder For now, at least. Also, where is d3? Haven't seen him in forever. | ||
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##Unvote: Misder ##Vote: Abstain Was on autopilot, my mind was thinking about Misder... yeah. I are dumb :/ | ||
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On August 02 2010 13:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well was BB checked by a DT or not? I saw he posted himself as "confirmed townie" but maybe he just meant from his point of view he is a confirmed townie. It was from my point of view, to the best of my knowledge I have not been DT checked. Opz... I know, I've played like crap this game. Sorry  | ||
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BrownBear
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+ Show Spoiler [BrownBear's notes] + ROLES STILL ALIVE 10 Total Scum: 3 vanilla scum Town: 2 vets Vig (Tricode) 4 vanilla town WHAT I KNOW So here's town list: Townie: BrownBear (I am green) d3 (claimed survived nighthit, forget if it was confirmed) Tricode (vigi) Divinek (claimed vet) Still 3 town and 3 scum out there, off of this list: chaoser rastaban Opz Misder Pyrrholuxia Protactinium Of these: chaoser is still scummy. BC did hate on him, though. rastaban is likely town unless BC pulled some epic mindgame shit. Opz is ? Misder is FUCKING INACTIVE JESUS CHRIST Pyrr is scummy, IMO. Weird voting patterns, weird posting patterns... I dunno. Protact has been way more town-aligned recently, but still could be mafioso trying to gain town's trust. So essentially, WHAT THE FUCK WHERE'S ALL OUR INFORMATION. My ideas: The BC-South trail goes cold... at rastaban. If it wasn't LYLO I'd push for rasta's lynch just to see what info that digs up. Other than that, maybe Pyrr or chaoser? I don't like the "HAY GUYS LYNCH MISDER HE'S INACTIVE" So, in the interest of getting chaoser to post (I want to see the big huge thing he promised a little while back)... ##Vote: chaoser Again, possibly just a temporary thing to see how he reacts. Possibly a permanent thing if he doesn't react or reacts scummy. | ||
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