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On July 20 2010 03:44 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 01:34 Roffles wrote:
Nah OpZ, not just one shitty post by BrownBear. Nearly all his posts are shitty. Don't really wanna dig up the post, but I do recall him voting first, then saying "I'm gonna go read".
Like what the hell is that? I'm gonna blindly vote, then read, then afterwards he just makes it even better by saying, "Oh, I could change my vote. But nahhhhh" yeah read the thread but didnt contribute anything and based on what his posts said he's probably worse than inactive at this point cause he actually voted i see people say that alot 'oh shit rl busy im gonna read thread and post some stuff' then they dont, they just say this to take focus off them and possible votes im for sure throwing my vote on him as soon as day comes so he can hopefully be forced to actually post something
I like this. You will go on my "likely town" list.
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On July 20 2010 05:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
Analyze me! Analyze meeeee!
Reddish shade of brown of course.
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On July 20 2010 05:22 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 05:04 citi.zen wrote:On July 20 2010 05:00 DarthThienAn wrote:
Analyze me! Analyze meeeee! Reddish shade of brown of course. Damn it, why is that breed so resilient? Time to do some extermination.
I supply the Darth, you bring the lightning.
Seriously, where is everyone?
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On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought  . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen
I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts:
On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:
1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still! Good post! Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives. I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well. ##vote LaxerCannonHe is usually more active so get to it Laxer.
On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.
I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.
##Unvote
##vote ketomai
Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red.
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By the way, should something happen to me don't assume lakrismama is innocent. The only point here is foolishness is playing very odd.
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It's probably better for dts to find town alligned players right now. This gives them a mouth to speak through and a person to build around. W/E, we'll see what everyone did...
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On July 20 2010 20:18 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 15:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
BrownBear i'd like to see more input from the rest of the town but i guess my sentiments on vets claiming boils to this:
1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets
2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen You have to balance the fact that you have a central confirmed townie with which to operate from. Randomly hitting a Vet is so rare as it is that I just don't see a huge benefit in keeping them hidden when one has obviously been hit...or the medic got a really lucky protection on someone. I personally like the vet claiming idea because on their own they are a pretty weak blue role.
The DTs had two checks last night. Unless they both hit red, we already have the start of a circle, maybe two. I would trust these checks before te vet claim at this point, since the dts picked them more "randomly".
That said, I doubt the mafia would fake claim this early. It gives them very little for a pretty big risk: if another vet is hit/lynched, the GF is toast. It would also mean they purposely wasted a kp.
So we should be in good shape. Assume the claim was genuine but don't take stupid risks, we don't need them. The big thing is we didn't lose any blues, and the mafia only killed one person.
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Actually, a medic protection claim would be a bit harder to verify than a veteran claim given neither medic knows what the other one is up to.
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On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote:
i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim
if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately.
if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of:
mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles.
regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above.
##Vote DarthThienAn
You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray.
Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious.
Please explain the logic of the underlined statement to me. The OP states there are 2/2 medics alive, so how doe either one of them know what the other one did?
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On July 21 2010 00:32 zeks wrote:
you're right i guess we don't know for sure.
but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky.
not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early
Are you thinking about the game much or just trying not to seem inactive?
Which reminds me - what happened to BC?
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Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you?
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On July 21 2010 02:28 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you? This is the sample note from the OP with the relevant part bold. Show nested quote +You are a Mafia Goon!
You get to pick a Godfather out of your team, though it may not be a suicide bomber, on the first night. Every night, you may send in kills in relation to your Kill Power. You win when you outnumber the town, or when they have no way of winning.
your team consists of:
1. Bill Murray
2. Ver
3. Qatol
4. Camlito
5. Ace
6. You
OK, the usual set-up. Just curious.
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On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:25 lakrismamma wrote:On July 18 2010 12:03 citi.zen wrote:
A few comments on how I see the game going:
1. PMs are allowed so trust circles are the way to go. Sooner or later they will form because of Dt checks, medic protection, vet soaking up a hit when we know they are the lone vet, etc. When this happens we'll be in good shape.
2. BCs list is fine, but many people seem to miss its point entirely.
3. There is no roleblocker, but there is a suicide bomber. Be very careful with your circles. Speak through confirmed townies if possible.
4. We lynch an inactive and/or bad player day one. Hyperbola is a fine target. Bumatlarge is ok too, bringing grudges from prior games here can derail us for many pages.
5. I already voted for Darth, why is it not counted? I will likely change it, but still! Good post! Abstaining is stupid. Part of why suggesting voting for for inactive persons is to make that person become active to defend himself therefore we get more to read from and mafia cant hide in the inactives. I think Hyperbola has defended himself pretty well. ##vote LaxerCannonHe is usually more active so get to it Laxer. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I think youngminii has a point. I think we should keep an eye on hyperbola and him but not lynch them.
DTA is probably just inactive town. But in that case we have no need for him either. So he is a decent alternative.
I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.
##Unvote
##vote ketomai Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red. Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red?
Good collection of posts man, congrats! You left out this one:
On July 19 2010 08:25 Foolishness wrote:
Switching my Vote from abstain:
##Vote BloodyCobbler
Just based on bad vibes so far. I am busy irl the past few days, but I will be active permanently by the first night for the rest of the game. If the first night goes by and I haven't made an active contribution feel free to hold me accountable.
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I don't want to vote for either DTA or BB for some reason. Good thing I have another day to think about this...
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On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler +If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all.
I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes."
I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.
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On July 21 2010 06:13 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler +If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all. I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes." I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates. No huge red flag, but it's better than BB and myself. ^_^.
Thanks for the honest comment, I understand where you are coming from.
I am a bit puzzled as to the rest of the players though. Every time someone screams out a name for some trivial reason, there is a voting train:
BB is playing bad, omg! DTA is playing different!!! Subversion said the mafia made no big mistakes thus far, wow!I Hyperbola did... whatever he did, he deserved it!
Voting like this can turn out OK if you are lucky, but in most cases does not really help the town. Zero cost to cast a vote I guess... if you are wrong... so was everyone else... if you are right... ZOMG THIS KID IS PRO!!!!
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On July 21 2010 06:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler +If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all. I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes." I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates. Subversion isn't that new. He played in BM's Harry Potter mafia, not sure if he's played in others... don't discount someones skill because they haven't played mafia on these boards before.
I am not discounting his skills. I am saying I can understand a new player thinking "the mafia have not made big mistakes thus far". That is all. Playing 100x games matters much less than thinking clearly for yourself.
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On July 21 2010 20:33 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote:
i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim
if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately.
if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of:
mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles.
regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above.
##Vote DarthThienAn
You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray.
Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious. Since I didn't bold and my vote didn't count:
##Vote DarthThienAn
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me a bout that post.
## vote zeks
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Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.
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On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks. Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it?
Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold.
BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him:
On July 21 2010 03:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote:
I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. [nr: the rest of the quote does not paste well - go find it yourselves] Because then it puts the finger-pointers in a position when players, such as yourself, go back and analyze the posts. This is actually a common ruse to cause the town to run around in circles as townies battle townies. It's not to say your analysis is invalid, but it could just be a breadcrumb trail to no-wheres-ville setup and managed by the mafia.
Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here.
So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking).
That's my little conspiracy theory of the day!
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