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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 23 2010 20:35 GMT
#61
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 23 2010 21:06 GMT
#62
On July 24 2010 05:35 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?


he played recently in Incognito's game. Qatol played in Ace's PYP Mafia a couple months ago, but he's generally busy I believe. flamewheel has all the time in the world though.
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 01:27:43
July 24 2010 01:23 GMT
#63
On July 24 2010 06:06 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 05:35 rastaban wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?


he played recently in Incognito's game. Qatol played in Ace's PYP Mafia a couple months ago, but he's generally busy I believe. flamewheel has all the time in the world though.

I played in Ace's Mafia World, Mafia Resurrection, Mafia 4, 5, 7, Smurf Mafia, Mini Mafia I, and PYP Mafia. I also hosted Mafia 8 and co-hosted Mafia 15. However, I am generally pretty busy and just don't have the time to play very often. I participate in most of the balance/setup talks though and still try to at least generally follow the games when I have the time.

Flamewheel has never really played all that much. He stopped playing and started hosting after only playing in like 2-3 games I believe and never really went back to playing regularly.
Uff Da
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
July 24 2010 22:52 GMT
#64
On July 24 2010 10:23 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:06 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 24 2010 05:35 rastaban wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?


he played recently in Incognito's game. Qatol played in Ace's PYP Mafia a couple months ago, but he's generally busy I believe. flamewheel has all the time in the world though.

I played in Ace's Mafia World, Mafia Resurrection, Mafia 4, 5, 7, Smurf Mafia, Mini Mafia I, and PYP Mafia. I also hosted Mafia 8 and co-hosted Mafia 15. However, I am generally pretty busy and just don't have the time to play very often. I participate in most of the balance/setup talks though and still try to at least generally follow the games when I have the time.

Flamewheel has never really played all that much. He stopped playing and started hosting after only playing in like 2-3 games I believe and never really went back to playing regularly.

Playing is overrated!
Become a lurker like me and you can surreptitiously gather information on everybody, then jump into a game and save a lot of time!

Hosting >>>>> playing
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 24 2010 23:54 GMT
#65
On July 25 2010 07:52 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 10:23 Qatol wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:06 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 24 2010 05:35 rastaban wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?


he played recently in Incognito's game. Qatol played in Ace's PYP Mafia a couple months ago, but he's generally busy I believe. flamewheel has all the time in the world though.

I played in Ace's Mafia World, Mafia Resurrection, Mafia 4, 5, 7, Smurf Mafia, Mini Mafia I, and PYP Mafia. I also hosted Mafia 8 and co-hosted Mafia 15. However, I am generally pretty busy and just don't have the time to play very often. I participate in most of the balance/setup talks though and still try to at least generally follow the games when I have the time.

Flamewheel has never really played all that much. He stopped playing and started hosting after only playing in like 2-3 games I believe and never really went back to playing regularly.

Playing is overrated!
Become a lurker like me and you can surreptitiously gather information on everybody, then jump into a game and save a lot of time!

Hosting >>>>> playing


The sad thing is, you will never know what happens underground..+ Show Spoiler +
Pm Land, where stuff happens that no one knows about or where nothing happens and you can pretend like something happened.. or something like that.


Unless...+ Show Spoiler +
..you can read my Pms... Do you have connections with the Mods?+ Show Spoiler +
The Mob?
Are you Haxor? Ok, we have to be careful with flame here -- Remember, don't play with fire!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
July 25 2010 01:07 GMT
#66
On July 25 2010 08:54 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:52 flamewheel wrote:
On July 24 2010 10:23 Qatol wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:06 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 24 2010 05:35 rastaban wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?


he played recently in Incognito's game. Qatol played in Ace's PYP Mafia a couple months ago, but he's generally busy I believe. flamewheel has all the time in the world though.

I played in Ace's Mafia World, Mafia Resurrection, Mafia 4, 5, 7, Smurf Mafia, Mini Mafia I, and PYP Mafia. I also hosted Mafia 8 and co-hosted Mafia 15. However, I am generally pretty busy and just don't have the time to play very often. I participate in most of the balance/setup talks though and still try to at least generally follow the games when I have the time.

Flamewheel has never really played all that much. He stopped playing and started hosting after only playing in like 2-3 games I believe and never really went back to playing regularly.

Playing is overrated!
Become a lurker like me and you can surreptitiously gather information on everybody, then jump into a game and save a lot of time!

Hosting >>>>> playing


The sad thing is, you will never know what happens underground..+ Show Spoiler +
Pm Land, where stuff happens that no one knows about or where nothing happens and you can pretend like something happened.. or something like that.


Unless...+ Show Spoiler +
..you can read my Pms... Do you have connections with the Mods?+ Show Spoiler +
The Mob?
Are you Haxor? Ok, we have to be careful with flame here -- Remember, don't play with fire!

I have heavy connections with mods!
And banlings.

And cute itw bunnies.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 15:51:29
July 25 2010 15:48 GMT
#67
On July 25 2010 10:07 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 08:54 Chezinu wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:52 flamewheel wrote:
On July 24 2010 10:23 Qatol wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:06 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 24 2010 05:35 rastaban wrote:
On July 23 2010 05:07 flamewheel wrote:
They'll never catch me as scum!
Because I'll never play as scum!
Also because I don't play.


I never see you or Qatol play, did I just happen to be here during a time you were taking a break or do generally never play and prefer to watch?


he played recently in Incognito's game. Qatol played in Ace's PYP Mafia a couple months ago, but he's generally busy I believe. flamewheel has all the time in the world though.

I played in Ace's Mafia World, Mafia Resurrection, Mafia 4, 5, 7, Smurf Mafia, Mini Mafia I, and PYP Mafia. I also hosted Mafia 8 and co-hosted Mafia 15. However, I am generally pretty busy and just don't have the time to play very often. I participate in most of the balance/setup talks though and still try to at least generally follow the games when I have the time.

Flamewheel has never really played all that much. He stopped playing and started hosting after only playing in like 2-3 games I believe and never really went back to playing regularly.

Playing is overrated!
Become a lurker like me and you can surreptitiously gather information on everybody, then jump into a game and save a lot of time!

Hosting >>>>> playing


The sad thing is, you will never know what happens underground..+ Show Spoiler +
Pm Land, where stuff happens that no one knows about or where nothing happens and you can pretend like something happened.. or something like that.


Unless...+ Show Spoiler +
..you can read my Pms... Do you have connections with the Mods?+ Show Spoiler +
The Mob?
Are you Haxor? Ok, we have to be careful with flame here -- Remember, don't play with fire!

I have heavy connections with mods!
And banlings.

And cute itw bunnies.


LOLOLOL there is reason why I always provide QuickTopic on the role PM. I can see most of the interaction in every private groups.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 26 2010 00:05 GMT
#68
When is the OP going to be updated?
Or has it been updating and I simply haven't noticed.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 26 2010 03:37 GMT
#69
Last edit: 2010-06-29 15:44:27

just pm spam ace im sure that'll motivate him and he'll enjoy it
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
July 26 2010 06:34 GMT
#70
Biggest thing you need to add to this guide (I don't see it in TOC so I'm assuming it's not being touched on):

Adaptability.

The best scum can adapt on the fly when something does go awry and talk their way out of anything. It's literally the best weapon you can have. It's what gets you to the next phase when your plan that you laid out is completely and utterly fucked over.

The rest of your guide revolves heavily around Occam's Razor.

Also, there comes a point in time where all scum lie. If you're trying to push a mislynch on a townie, at some point, a player will ask "Why are you pushing this lynch?" and the answer has to be "Because I think he is scum." You obviously don't think he is scum, because you know he isn't. But you have to say it.

Some of the best scum players are incredible liars and can make you believe any word that flows from their mouth.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 26 2010 22:14 GMT
#71
Tip for Mafia: If your mafia don't create a forum one can easily find, especially in a clue game.

http://tlmafia16.maxforum.org/2010/06/06/day-2/

Tip for Town: Google people's names especially in a clue game!!!

I guess that's why it's a noob game. What ever happened to araav?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 01 2010 22:37 GMT
#72
Google is not your best friend, Chezinu.

This is why you create a hidden forum then make it go invisible.

Also to win you play like Ver, I have decided.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 03 2010 08:45 GMT
#73
aaaaaaaace has so much updating to do

it's been a month
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 03 2010 22:23 GMT
#74
been doing lots of work lately, calm down I will eventually finish

Besides the short amounts of discussion this generated so far were more than worth it ^_^
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
August 06 2010 01:06 GMT
#75
Gotta give it a password and make your name an anagram or something.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 23 2011 03:59 GMT
#76
ummm sorry to bump this but i was trying to learn mafia and came across this thread but found that this was incomplete and was wondering if there was a finished version somewhere?
seeing that this is a pretty old thread i assume it is finished already?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 19:26:49
December 23 2011 18:39 GMT
#77
I believe it's still a work in progress-- these things take some time to put together. That being said, here's what I read when i was just getting started, several weeks ago:
1) all the recommended guides and analyses on TL
2) The newbie guide from mafiascum: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide
3) The articles from mafiascum: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Articles
4) The basic role descriptions from mafiascum: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles

This got me pretty prepared for my first game, but honestly it's mostly "learn by doing" once you have the basics down.

Also read these pages and pay attention to how ABR gets a guy lynched, turning up the pressure, wrangling votes, and taking him down: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=881261
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 23 2011 22:09 GMT
#78
This thread already contains a basic outline of the winning mindset of a scum player. Blaze is right in that the majority of your usable knowledge is going to come from playing games, because you'll learn how certain players argue, meta, a whole myriad of things that Ace's guide could never incorporate even in its complete form.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
July 31 2012 20:31 GMT
#79
I think things have reached the level where town play is a lot higher than mafia. I've seen plenty of good town play whenever I've looked but not too many expert mafia games (only liar game and wheel of fortune come to mind, and this was mostly individualistic). Clearly the reason for this is the abundance of town guides and lack of mafia ones!!

If you are interested in finishing this ace and want my help let me know.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 08:48:10
August 02 2012 08:46 GMT
#80
I can help too.

I know VE and I were interested in doing it a few months ago and then we kinda just never got around to it.

e: also, I think town play fluctuates between decent and bad, whereas mafia play on the whole is almost always bad.

I think it's just complacency over the last 9-10 months with mafia winning repeatedly by doing nothing (particularly prevalent among newer players)
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