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The Mafia Manifesto: Winning As Scum - Page 2

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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 29 2010 07:15 GMT
#21
On June 29 2010 03:57 BrownBear wrote:
This is good, not only because it tells people how to play mafia, but it also gives newer players some insight on what to look for when they're town.

It's a good start, but in the end of the day, people have vastly different playstyles. Not everyone adheres to what might be considered standard play. Most of it still lies in your judgment.
God Bless
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 29 2010 08:27 GMT
#22
And after everyone reads and knows it, and knows everyone else knows it

it can just make a higher level for metagames
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 08:33:26
June 29 2010 08:33 GMT
#23
On June 29 2010 17:27 Divinek wrote:
And after everyone reads and knows it, and knows everyone else knows it

it can just make a higher level for metagames

I'm glad Chill does not have access to this forum!

Edit: or does he...
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 29 2010 09:26 GMT
#24
that's a proper use of the word... well sorta

i thought of rewording it so it makes more sense, but it makes it easier for you to metagame yourself into making different decisions based on what you know and they know you know think you know that they know how you'll know what you know, right
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
June 29 2010 12:07 GMT
#25
I hate it when people tell me I'm saying something that's "obviously scummy." It's not like scum and town have different goals in the thread in terms of appearing scummy. Like it's never, oh, you're not contributing positively or something, it's just like omg that one thing you said that's such a scum tell.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 29 2010 13:43 GMT
#26
Nothing is obvious whenyou dont know something for certain.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 29 2010 14:44 GMT
#27
On June 29 2010 02:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 02:48 Korynne wrote:
Well I personally think it's much easier to play as mafia. When I played as mafia in BM's LAMM, all I did was pretend I was town, and analyze other people and see if they seemed scummy. This includes my partner.

Basically my mentality was, if I try to play as if I'm a town, then there really isn't anything town can do to catch me being scummy. I act the exact same way as everyone else, and I trust that someone else will screw up more than me (BrownBear in that case).

So like, screw strategizing or whatever, I just play town and it works okay.

I find that playing on town side is much harder because I need to catch people rather than just blending in.


Being mafia last game (TMMM) was such a hassle to me. I went into that game with a townie mindset ("alright, finally I get to relax and spam and troll. yesss.") And then it's like, "you're mafia". -___-. did some trolling anyway cuz I was bored, lol.

So we should kill you day1/night1 instead of Radfield?

...Thanks for the guide Ace! You taught me Darth must die!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 29 2010 15:49 GMT
#28
On June 29 2010 21:07 Korynne wrote:
I hate it when people tell me I'm saying something that's "obviously scummy." It's not like scum and town have different goals in the thread in terms of appearing scummy. Like it's never, oh, you're not contributing positively or something, it's just like omg that one thing you said that's such a scum tell.


i love the ol' "he's not contributing" scum tell wink wink ^^


On June 29 2010 22:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Nothing is obvious whenyou dont know something for certain.


Yea but calling it obvious is always good for persuasion


On June 29 2010 23:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 02:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:48 Korynne wrote:
Well I personally think it's much easier to play as mafia. When I played as mafia in BM's LAMM, all I did was pretend I was town, and analyze other people and see if they seemed scummy. This includes my partner.

Basically my mentality was, if I try to play as if I'm a town, then there really isn't anything town can do to catch me being scummy. I act the exact same way as everyone else, and I trust that someone else will screw up more than me (BrownBear in that case).

So like, screw strategizing or whatever, I just play town and it works okay.

I find that playing on town side is much harder because I need to catch people rather than just blending in.


Being mafia last game (TMMM) was such a hassle to me. I went into that game with a townie mindset ("alright, finally I get to relax and spam and troll. yesss.") And then it's like, "you're mafia". -___-. did some trolling anyway cuz I was bored, lol.

So we should kill you day1/night1 instead of Radfield?

...Thanks for the guide Ace! You taught me Darth must die!


-_- why must I die? I'm just saying that I was mafia'd out last game lol =P. Being mafia in XXVI was tiring. I only joined TMMM to troll T_T
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 29 2010 17:01 GMT
#29
Youre cursed, and I only called yor team out when i looked at the teams left and asked myself "why would I leave them alive"
Together but separate, like oatmeal
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 29 2010 17:08 GMT
#30
On June 30 2010 02:01 bumatlarge wrote:
Youre cursed, and I only called yor team out when i looked at the teams left and asked myself "why would I leave them alive"


o.O Radfield/Korynne's a solid team. I'm not sure I would've gone for that argument even if I was town. The first lynch and first night kill teams were nowhere near noob.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
June 30 2010 00:37 GMT
#31
Great thread idea, but I think you missed one of the most important features: communication with your fellow mafiosos. You are on a team together, it is a team win or loss. You should be talking together as a team to help out everyone. Far too often I see teams of mafia who let everyone just post on their own, and that inevitably leads to slipups, usually with either the most prominent/ active players, or the most inexperienced ones. However, it is really important for everyone to put aside their egos and just talk to each other. Make sure you are all on the same page.
Uff Da
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 30 2010 02:15 GMT
#32
On June 29 2010 22:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Nothing is obvious whenyou dont know something for certain.

Plenty is obvious when you have 4-5 games of the same format and the players repeat the same differing patterns depending on their role.

Was pretty blatant in our first few games, where certain players, when green, would go 100% afk and not say anything. iirc, vivi would only post in the main thread if he was mafia or blue, which made it pretty easy to shoot him if he was blue, and which made him pretty easy to out if he was red.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 30 2010 02:39 GMT
#33
On June 29 2010 23:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 02:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:48 Korynne wrote:
Well I personally think it's much easier to play as mafia. When I played as mafia in BM's LAMM, all I did was pretend I was town, and analyze other people and see if they seemed scummy. This includes my partner.

Basically my mentality was, if I try to play as if I'm a town, then there really isn't anything town can do to catch me being scummy. I act the exact same way as everyone else, and I trust that someone else will screw up more than me (BrownBear in that case).

So like, screw strategizing or whatever, I just play town and it works okay.

I find that playing on town side is much harder because I need to catch people rather than just blending in.


Being mafia last game (TMMM) was such a hassle to me. I went into that game with a townie mindset ("alright, finally I get to relax and spam and troll. yesss.") And then it's like, "you're mafia". -___-. did some trolling anyway cuz I was bored, lol.

So we should kill you day1/night1 instead of Radfield?

...Thanks for the guide Ace! You taught me Darth must die!

This is why guides such as this and discussions about play are so important. I have been in many gaming communities where I am targeted for my skill. If we bring everyone's level of play up, it'll make the game itself better.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
June 30 2010 06:36 GMT
#34
On June 30 2010 11:39 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 23:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:48 Korynne wrote:
Well I personally think it's much easier to play as mafia. When I played as mafia in BM's LAMM, all I did was pretend I was town, and analyze other people and see if they seemed scummy. This includes my partner.

Basically my mentality was, if I try to play as if I'm a town, then there really isn't anything town can do to catch me being scummy. I act the exact same way as everyone else, and I trust that someone else will screw up more than me (BrownBear in that case).

So like, screw strategizing or whatever, I just play town and it works okay.

I find that playing on town side is much harder because I need to catch people rather than just blending in.


Being mafia last game (TMMM) was such a hassle to me. I went into that game with a townie mindset ("alright, finally I get to relax and spam and troll. yesss.") And then it's like, "you're mafia". -___-. did some trolling anyway cuz I was bored, lol.

So we should kill you day1/night1 instead of Radfield?

...Thanks for the guide Ace! You taught me Darth must die!

This is why guides such as this and discussions about play are so important. I have been in many gaming communities where I am targeted for my skill. If we bring everyone's level of play up, it'll make the game itself better.


One of the few games where its sometimes nice to hide your skill level. That is, unless you can convince the medics to protect you all the time
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
June 30 2010 06:38 GMT
#35
bumatlarge going after me/Ace because our skill level = imba. lol.
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 30 2010 07:29 GMT
#36
On June 30 2010 09:37 Qatol wrote:
Great thread idea, but I think you missed one of the most important features: communication with your fellow mafiosos. You are on a team together, it is a team win or loss. You should be talking together as a team to help out everyone. Far too often I see teams of mafia who let everyone just post on their own, and that inevitably leads to slipups, usually with either the most prominent/ active players, or the most inexperienced ones. However, it is really important for everyone to put aside their egos and just talk to each other. Make sure you are all on the same page.


good idea, can't believe I forgot to add a full section for it. I've been busy with work so I haven't had the time to frame everything like I really want to but I'll be updating again soon.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 10 2010 19:49 GMT
#37
I haven't really followed the recent games, but when I was playing TL players really needed to know how to win as town a lot more.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 11 2010 02:24 GMT
#38
On June 29 2010 23:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 02:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:48 Korynne wrote:
Well I personally think it's much easier to play as mafia. When I played as mafia in BM's LAMM, all I did was pretend I was town, and analyze other people and see if they seemed scummy. This includes my partner.

Basically my mentality was, if I try to play as if I'm a town, then there really isn't anything town can do to catch me being scummy. I act the exact same way as everyone else, and I trust that someone else will screw up more than me (BrownBear in that case).

So like, screw strategizing or whatever, I just play town and it works okay.

I find that playing on town side is much harder because I need to catch people rather than just blending in.


Being mafia last game (TMMM) was such a hassle to me. I went into that game with a townie mindset ("alright, finally I get to relax and spam and troll. yesss.") And then it's like, "you're mafia". -___-. did some trolling anyway cuz I was bored, lol.

So we should kill you day1/night1 instead of Radfield?

...Thanks for the guide Ace! You taught me Darth must die!



The only way you can kill me is if you're mafia Opz. I've yet to be lynched

Great start to the guide Ace, I hope you add more. HP was my first time being mafia, and I really felt like I was just hanging on at the end. I just felt like all the reasons were there to lynch me, and the more I posted the more obvious those reasons became. So my only goal was to be as under the radar as possible.

It was neat watching you in TMMM. Even though I felt like you were mafia(and had it confirmed by Korynne) I had absolutely no idea that YI was the other mafia. It was really well played by all three of you.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 11 2010 19:07 GMT
#39
On June 30 2010 11:39 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 23:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
On June 29 2010 02:48 Korynne wrote:
Well I personally think it's much easier to play as mafia. When I played as mafia in BM's LAMM, all I did was pretend I was town, and analyze other people and see if they seemed scummy. This includes my partner.

Basically my mentality was, if I try to play as if I'm a town, then there really isn't anything town can do to catch me being scummy. I act the exact same way as everyone else, and I trust that someone else will screw up more than me (BrownBear in that case).

So like, screw strategizing or whatever, I just play town and it works okay.

I find that playing on town side is much harder because I need to catch people rather than just blending in.


Being mafia last game (TMMM) was such a hassle to me. I went into that game with a townie mindset ("alright, finally I get to relax and spam and troll. yesss.") And then it's like, "you're mafia". -___-. did some trolling anyway cuz I was bored, lol.

So we should kill you day1/night1 instead of Radfield?

...Thanks for the guide Ace! You taught me Darth must die!

This is why guides such as this and discussions about play are so important. I have been in many gaming communities where I am targeted for my skill. If we bring everyone's level of play up, it'll make the game itself better.


You feel Radfield's pain, I see
SUNSFANNED
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
July 12 2010 02:02 GMT
#40
Oh man the sticky!

And like, lulz the Radfield Jr. Bearie. =P
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
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