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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 21 2010 23:49 GMT
#19
Let's call ourselves Bum-Cannon
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 22 2010 04:45 GMT
#38
I almost caused town to lose the game >___________>
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 22 2010 20:43 GMT
#124
On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:
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On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote:
So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.

Those are my two cents on the matter.


I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look.

However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early.


I believe we shouldn't vote off useless people unless it's to the point that it hinders the town's progress. That being said, they're next to go if we can't get any good behavioral analysis.

To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed.

For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 22 2010 20:55 GMT
#127
I expect he wants them to talk more for him to analyze before taking action.
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 22 2010 22:50 GMT
#147
On June 23 2010 06:46 Korynne wrote:
Well I think BM and Chez are just kind of crazy and post a lot anyway... I don't really know how to read them. =\

By the way people you lynch teams, not people. xD The only case where one person and not their whole team dies is to modkills, in which case their alignment is not revealed.


thanks for clearing this up, I got confused by the people voting in the voting thread X_X
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 23 2010 01:16 GMT
#168
I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.

I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO.
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 23 2010 02:32 GMT
#203
On June 23 2010 10:16 LaXerCannon wrote:
I've just noticed Team 7 has 5 posts to split among the three of them or 4 posts to split between two of them since meeple's gone until tomorrow. That's definitely something to consider and is the reason why I'll be voting for them.

I'm going to go over the thread again because the arguments got pretty messy IMO.


Oh god, I just read over the thread twice and I can't seem to make out anything past the initial YI and Bumatlarge argument. I'll give it another stab tomorrow when my mind's less...scrambled.
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 23 2010 21:27 GMT
#406
On June 24 2010 05:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
LaXerCannon

Current and only vote: Team 7
Total posts: 7

Posts:
1. useless
2. useless
3. against voting useless people off (^ go figure), unless it's detrimental to the town (it always is so...) - note that this is a reply to Ace.
Advice to blues: stay unpredictable (no really), don't make yourself a target, but don't get killed for inactivity (meh, not bad).
Advice to DT: Check the teams of three. etc etc false logic + understanding.
4. (shortly after 3) thinks chez wants more activity before he takes action. uhh. pretty useless.
5. useless
6. "Team 7 is inactive" - his vote is cast immediately after this post.
7. useless. But he went to sleep ~ 6 hours ago, I expect him to be online before the day ends.

You'll notice a common theme in my comments about LaXer's 7 posts.

Conclusion: Kid's a genius. We can't afford to lose a player like him. Lynch bumatlarge but keep LaXerCannon imo. I agree 100% with his suspicions, and will back him in any future endeavors.

This should explain my current vote.


Ouch the Sarcasm hurts.

Back from Jazz rehearsal (anyone who's in Toronto should check out the downtown jazz festival on the 28th; it'll be fun!)

Probably my biggest reason for keeping low was because I never had anyone attack me yet and I prefer to stay neutral (as I've said in the previous game, I'm pretty weak at behavioral analysis). I'm hoping to work on it through this game but the amount of crap being thrown from everyone is quite confusing. To add on, it was a mistake for me to think that I could play both mafia games at once and I apologize for it.

I'm not really sure what you want me to say about other people but I guess I'll post my thoughts....

after one question: how do you do multiple quotes in a post aside from manually putting the tags in?
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 23 2010 21:29 GMT
#407
^ actually, I just saw that I died in the other one...already. ^ ^
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 23 2010 21:33 GMT
#410
On June 24 2010 04:55 Zyrre wrote:
Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.


Could you explain this more, from you previous posts, you seemed pretty hooked on BM's team because "they were a little off".
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 24 2010 00:39 GMT
#512
my post is still coming up; I admit I took a small biking break :X It should be up within the hour
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 24 2010 01:17 GMT
#528
This will be a post on team 8.

Team 8's post count
-stormtemplar 5
-johnnyspazz 14
-BrownBear 7

**Note: BrownBear just recently got back into the game.
**Note: BrownBear has posted more than stormtemplar

Stormtemplar
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On June 23 2010 09:16 stormtemplar wrote:
I suspect BM is mafia. Firstly, his constant accusations of yellowink are very scummy looking to me, especially since his claims about yellows logic are unfounded

For example, it makes perfect sense that the mafia wants people to think they are green because then they are not killed yet he attacks this thinking


Second, his morse encoded stealth claim to be medic looks quite scummy, as only a stupid or naive blue would do something that revealed themselves to be mafia.

Of course this is my first mafia game ever so I could be a total idiot and be completely wrong but whatever, this is the impression I'm getting.


I don't think that BM's logic is off, his argument for YI was that his play in the current game and XXVII has differed among other things.

Uses the I'm-new-to-the-game card.

On June 23 2010 09:24 stormtemplar wrote:
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On June 23 2010 09:20 Chezinu wrote:
Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect"

To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all.



Yeah, totaly forgot about the edits thing...Ooops, bad habit.


Well I dunno, it is too early to be sure, but I just don't like his actions at all. If we hang yellow and he ends up being green, it might be a little more conclusive. Also, I agree that voting for L is kinda not necessary here yet, and we should kill an inactive team.


Proves he's new to mafia. Proposes to kill a yellow team. Nothing ground breaking

On June 23 2010 09:32 stormtemplar wrote:
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On June 23 2010 09:21 L wrote:
On June 23 2010 09:20 Chezinu wrote:
Edits aren't allowed. All storm did for edit was add "Of course..ect"

To me, BM doesn't seem like mafia at all.

That's fucking cute given he's on your team.



Yeah I Just noticed that as well, kinda worthless, cuz if he's mafia you are too.


Useless post.

On June 23 2010 09:42 stormtemplar wrote:
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On June 23 2010 09:36 Chezinu wrote:
I'm thinking it is best to lynch stormtemplar and johnnyspazz.

Reasons:

Jspazz votes L. stormtemplar votes for team 2 and "agrees that voting for L is kinda not necessary". This makes no sense, who are you agreeing/disagreeing with? I don't think L was even mentioned as an option aside from Jspazz.



I was disagreeing with jspazz and stating that he was incorrect.


oooo, disagreement between the team. I do agree with this notion though to not vote for L but to vote for an inactive team.

On June 23 2010 10:53 stormtemplar wrote:
We've been slightly implicated, and I've presented arguments to implicate team 2.


What happened to voting for an inactive? Goes back to his original post to vote for BM's team


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I can't seem to get a good read on him, his posts have so far been simple and easy to understand (probably because he doesn't have much to say). He doesn't seem to have a problem to publically show his disagreement with hi teammates.

Predicted role: undecided



johnnyspazz
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On June 22 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now.

I don't have much experience with mafia so I'm not sure if this quote is justified.

On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
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Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah

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On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.

why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this?

I agree with this to an extent. I believe he misinterpreted YI's argument.

On June 23 2010 06:06 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On June 23 2010 05:30 Chezinu wrote:
I just know it is a trend that blue/mafia players like to discuss blue roles a lot in mafia games. Blue role would want advice from other on what he or she should do. While mafia would want to give bad advice/discover blue roles.

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On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:
To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed.

For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules)

lol!
also, bm and chez, i decoded your messages and have to the conclusion you are blue!

Joke post, unless they're all mafia (including BM + Chez) I doubt this post holds any weight.

On June 23 2010 06:11 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On June 23 2010 06:07 Ace wrote:
Agreed. I also think the way it works is that Teams check Teams, not players checking players. So checking 1 person out a 3 person team isn't really a significant advantage or disadvantage.

haha imagine a team of 3 getting 3 dt checks a night, wouldn't that be something

Nothing much here, further making fun of my mistake ;_;

On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:
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-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--..

Chezinu, who are we going to protect?

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On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:
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.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.-
I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt.

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On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:
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Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah
I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s.

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On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:
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--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. -
Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect

oh man i feel like a detective!


Helps town translate (I for one have no idea what to do with the Di-dit crap).

On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:
darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious?
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I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him.

i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong.


I think it's a good way to spark discussion; accusing someone right at the beginning. I do agree however, accusing him from past game experience was pretty uncalled for (I wish YI would forget I almost caused the town to lose last game ^ ^;

On June 23 2010 11:20 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On June 23 2010 11:17 Chezinu wrote:
You should translate the harder ones that everyone seemed to ignore, maybe just maybe I have a code that only a select few can read! That makes this game fun!

i already tried and it was too hard to break! give me a hint

i'm going to switch my vote to team 2 because claiming medic day 1 is retarded.


??? I feel that they were just joking around and were not claiming medic day 1. I don't think this is a good move as there are inactive people to pressure ( like me ^ ^;; ).

On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
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How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?

stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?


I think the attacks on Jspazz was uncalled for. A random vote to spark discussion is quite solid.



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His posts have mainly been defending himself - particularly for his initial accusation towards L. I read slightly pro town from him though he hasn't had much analysis and has thus far only attacked when provoked.


BrownBear
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On June 23 2010 10:45 BrownBear wrote:
Yass, I am back!

I now have cast my vote for Team Two, for the following reasons:

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On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:
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On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.

If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.

Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.

Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game.


since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do:
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so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much.
?

I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.


Especially on day 1, there isn't really anything wrong with saying apparently obvious stuff like this: there are new people in this game, and, in their own words:
On June 22 2010 22:39 Durak wrote:This is my first game of mafia so my skill level is noob.

When it gets suspicious is when people start to take really surface-level stuff like this into late game. However, this is Day 1, so we can't really get a read on YI yet. I agree with his statement too (and I know this may be damning myself, considering the accusations flying around Jspazz already, but hey, YI is right and it should be acknowledged). I think you know this is a good idea yourself, but you are trying to muddle up his idea in random accusations. Not cool.

On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:
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On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote:
BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.

If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread.


you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams?


VERY combative, especially early on. This is also a pretty baseless accusation, a thinly veiled insult, and completely unhelpful to the game. And she was right, y'know. Its disruptive.

But when you translate it... (quoted jspazz because he was awesome and translated it already)

On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:
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-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--..

Chezinu, who are we going to protect?

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On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:
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I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt.

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On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:
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Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah
I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s.

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On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:
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Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect

oh man i feel like a detective!


Ok then... this is a VERY thinly veiled medic claim. I doublechecked the translation using the following site:
http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html
and it is accurate to the best of my knowledge.

So congrats, you guys claimed medic. On day 1. All we know out of this is that you for sure aren't medic... but why even try to claim in the first place. If you are town (or god forbid, actually medic), you've basically committed suicide, as mafia don't really have much to go on with their night 1 kill, so they might as well try to see if they can nail one of the two blue roles in the game (if there are any, anyway). If you survive... it just really makes you look scummy. The only way I can see this being a good idea would be if you somehow discovered who the real medic was (on DAY FREAKIN ONE), convinced them you were town, and claimed so that the mafia would hit you, but the medic could protect you, thus wasting a mafia KP

...hmm, that's actually not a bad strategy if you can pull it off, but I reiterate. It's DAY FREAKIN ONE. There's no way you found the medic (if there is one) that quickly.

There's also the possibility that you and Chez were just fucking around with that claim... but I doubt it. Chez might be random, but you, BM, usually post stuff for a reason. And I think that you are lying. And I don't like liars.

I could do some analysis on chez... but right now he's too random to get a read on. If people really want me to I can try later, but for now, following YI's idea... one scum read on a team should be enough to lynch that team.

Thus, I say Team Two should be our target for today.


Some pretty solid analysis here especially on the morse code stuff and I agree with all of it.

The behavior from team 2 has been pretty random and I question whether any of it will help the town at all.

On June 23 2010 12:49 BrownBear wrote:
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On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
The post you're me-tooing, its pretty interesting. Me going 'afk' all day like its a bad thing? I've said multiple times that I work. I'm gone the majority of the day but i post when I'm here. Second, I've gone under the radar? I have the first large post of the game. I've called people out in nearly every fucking post I've made.

Who the fuck are YOU by contrast? Near 0 contributions thusfar coming from a quiet team.


Korynne and flamewheel can back me up on this. I had told them I was going to be gone until wednesday, so to put me on a 3 person team so that my inactivity wouldn't be noticed. If you'd actually taken the time to read the signup thread, you would know this. Knocking me for inactivity when I've had a planned absence is just silly. Plus, the reason I think your list is stupid isn't because you had work all day and were gone, it's because you had work all day, were gone, THEN you came back and just put up a single list with NO EXPLANATION. Summary: Learn to read, and learn to back up your lynch-lists if you don't want them called into question.

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On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
Third, no, those choices aren't biased. They were based on the last 3 pages prior to that post and summarized what other people were saying at that point. I've been gone for the majority of the day, as you've said. What's more, I explicitly push both Ace and Radfield's team in that post, meaning that out of the 5 teams I'm watching, only 2 I had on my radar at the start.


Again, it doesn't matter if you're "summarizing what other people said" you need to SAY THAT in the first place. Otherwise, people are going to call you on it. When you react to people calling on it by acting like a monkey in a cage, flinging poo on as many people as possible, it makes you look bad.

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On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:
So, given that all your claims are terrible, why are you making them? Well, its because the biggest chunk of my post is essentially saying that if you flip red, I'm pretty sure I know who your allies are. That makes you quite possibly the best lynch target for the night. Instead of arguing that you're legit, you instead throw out some OMGUS.

So brownbear, why you supporting an obviously garbage post? From the content and retaliatory nature, its poor on both counts. The only reason I can even start to imagine is that you're happy someone is accusing people who accuse you.


Well, yeah, wouldn't you be? Someone accused me (well, my team) for some pretty weak reasons, I'm glad people are calling them on it. Also, you have no right to yell "OMGUS" on me, given you had the first and most retarded OMGUS of the game.

Also, my allies are who?

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On June 23 2010 11:01 L wrote:As for Durak or whatever, lol you're pretty jokes.


Uhh, wut?

Summary: Try harder next time! Also, stop throwing FoS around like it's fucking candy on halloween. It's not helping us.


Just like Jspazz usually does, a defence post while trying to nail the other guy as well. I do agree with BrownBear here and I think he'll be very active and will be able to provide enough posts to get a good read on him. From this post alone, I'm willing to bet that he is a townie.

I however disagree with his dislike of the mass FoS, it allows better mafia players to be able to interpret them and be able to get good reads on the player.

On June 23 2010 16:59 BrownBear wrote:
From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.

I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.

Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on.


First of all, I think it's important to note that he hasn't posted for 18 hours.

I do however agree with his suspicions for BM-Chez and L-Caller . And agree that actually killing team 7 is a bad idea even if they're inactive. I think the point of voting for them is just to apply pressure on them to post more, not to kill them outright.


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I get a protown reading from him and I quite like his train of thought (I found it quite easy to follow). I sincerely hope he continues his posts


TLDR; I think Team 8 is town though slightly on the inactive side. Then again, I don't think they have any chance of posting as much as players like BM.
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 24 2010 03:47 GMT
#574
On June 24 2010 12:01 BrownBear wrote:
D'oh, my apologies to team 2. You guys gave me a bad vibe early on which I rode to the end. Sorry it didn't work out.

And LaXer: I know, I know, I tend to drop off the face of the earth for long periods at a time, I'm sorry. It's a constant struggle, I'm working on it.


I really like your posts though
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Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 24 2010 03:48 GMT
#575
Oh and, I'm going to a party tomorrow so my next post will be pretty late (probably 24 hours from now if best).
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 25 2010 02:13 GMT
#635
Posting to show that I am here, going to take a bath first (after like 4 hours of basketball D before reading through the thread and posting
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 25 2010 02:47 GMT
#636
The situation now is that we have 2 mafia and 5 townies. If we mess up, it'll be 2v4 and then 2v3 before we can choose the next lynch. I feel like today's a VERY important day unless we get a hero save from a medic (50% chance of a medic even existing) or a DT catches a red (50% chance of this also). Worst case would be this set up:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies

Where town doesn't really have much more room for error.

These are just the thoughts that jumped out at me when team 1 flipped green
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Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 26 2010 00:56 GMT
#674
On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.


Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...

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On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.


Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.

Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.


Hi Nikon, let's look at what YOU had to say shall we?

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Nikon - Total posts : 10

On June 23 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote:
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Translates roughly to : LOL THIS IS KINDA LAME YOU GUYS ALSO WHY IS JOHNNYSPAZ TRYING TO KILL OFF L SO FAST THAT IS MANY MORSE CODE YES.

Only important point here is that he is asking why Jspazz wants to lynch L so quickly ignoring L's vote for Johnnyspazz and Chezinu for team 1; both votes being well in the timeframe between Jspazz's vote and Nikon's post.

-In between these two posts, Nikon votes for team 2-
Why? I have no idea; he does argue with BM though...an hour later

On June 23 2010 15:15 Nikon wrote:
Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...


Signs off for the day? Guess not. I guess he just woke up since the following posts are only within a few hours of this post.

Post # 299 [this post quotes one of BM's bigger posts so I won't quote that as well]
(not going to sleep?)
Some of his points are correct, thought I do think that BM's method of thinking helps him loosen his own workload at it lowers the amount of targets he needs to track for the _first_ day. However, I don't like how he ignores the good information in this post, particularly the parts about team 1 and team 9's voting behavior.

Post # 312
Another attack on BM. I'd like to point out that Nikon, although putting BM down for coded messages, infact posted one of his own (see above). The rest of the post is just him defending his team by ... defending team 7... what? As great as that sounds (if team 7 indeed is green), I don't think that it's typical behavior for someone trying to defend himself. Normally, you'd accuse another team to put the heat off you. I also like how he says there's an 18% chance that another team is mafia. Is he not sure that he himself is town? If they know they're town then it's definitely 25% other people are mafia.

On June 24 2010 00:25 Nikon wrote:
What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then?

I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote.

On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


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On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.



I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote.

On June 24 2010 03:50 Nikon wrote:
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On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.


Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long.


Same 25% to 18% thing...

-Two day gap between posts-

On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.


Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.


Ok post

On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.


Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...

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On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.


Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.

Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.


- And see me pointing out that we don't have much room for error anymore?

- DCLXVI did propose a good point in that supporting another mafia team is very risky. Especially since there are only two mafia teams; if we peg one, the other one falls into suspicion. Not the best play; I'm sure most people in this game hold L to a higher standard than that.

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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 26 2010 13:35 GMT
#721
On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote:
Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.


Just one more that I think you missed

On June 25 2010 11:47 LaXerCannon wrote:
The situation now is that we have 2 mafia and 5 townies. If we mess up, it'll be 2v4 and then 2v3 before we can choose the next lynch. I feel like today's a VERY important day unless we get a hero save from a medic (50% chance of a medic even existing) or a DT catches a red (50% chance of this also). Worst case would be this set up:
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
7 Townies

Where town doesn't really have much more room for error.

These are just the thoughts that jumped out at me when team 1 flipped green


and of course the poorly constructed attack in question:
On June 26 2010 09:56 LaXerCannon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:
On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.


Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...

On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.


Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.

Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.


Hi Nikon, let's look at what YOU had to say shall we?

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Nikon - Total posts : 10

On June 23 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote:
.-.. --- .-.. / - .... .. ... / .. ... / -.- .. -. -.. .- / .-.. .- -- . / -.-- --- ..- / --. ..- -.-- ... / .- .-.. ... --- / .-- .... -.-- / .. ... / .--- --- .... -. -. -.-- ... .--. .- --.. / - .-. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / -.- .. .-.. .-.. / --- ..-. ..-. / .-.. / ... --- / ..-. .- ... - / - .... .- - / .. ... / -- .- -. -.-- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / -.-- . ...


Translates roughly to : LOL THIS IS KINDA LAME YOU GUYS ALSO WHY IS JOHNNYSPAZ TRYING TO KILL OFF L SO FAST THAT IS MANY MORSE CODE YES.

Only important point here is that he is asking why Jspazz wants to lynch L so quickly ignoring L's vote for Johnnyspazz and Chezinu for team 1; both votes being well in the timeframe between Jspazz's vote and Nikon's post.

-In between these two posts, Nikon votes for team 2-
Why? I have no idea; he does argue with BM though...an hour later

On June 23 2010 15:15 Nikon wrote:
Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...


Signs off for the day? Guess not. I guess he just woke up since the following posts are only within a few hours of this post.

Post # 299 [this post quotes one of BM's bigger posts so I won't quote that as well]
(not going to sleep?)
Some of his points are correct, thought I do think that BM's method of thinking helps him loosen his own workload at it lowers the amount of targets he needs to track for the _first_ day. However, I don't like how he ignores the good information in this post, particularly the parts about team 1 and team 9's voting behavior.

Post # 312
Another attack on BM. I'd like to point out that Nikon, although putting BM down for coded messages, infact posted one of his own (see above). The rest of the post is just him defending his team by ... defending team 7... what? As great as that sounds (if team 7 indeed is green), I don't think that it's typical behavior for someone trying to defend himself. Normally, you'd accuse another team to put the heat off you. I also like how he says there's an 18% chance that another team is mafia. Is he not sure that he himself is town? If they know they're town then it's definitely 25% other people are mafia.

On June 24 2010 00:25 Nikon wrote:
What do you think of stormtemplar's vote then?

I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote.

On June 24 2010 02:14 Nikon wrote:
Let me ask again:

What do you think of this


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On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7


No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.



I think it's better to ask him yourself instead of trying to draw everyone's attention to this vote.

On June 24 2010 03:50 Nikon wrote:
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On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.


Your math is bad... basically, you've been fitting evidence to the case all day long.


Same 25% to 18% thing...

-Two day gap between posts-

On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.


Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.


Ok post

On June 26 2010 06:52 Nikon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.


Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...

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On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.


Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.

Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.


- And see me pointing out that we don't have much room for error anymore?

- DCLXVI did propose a good point in that supporting another mafia team is very risky. Especially since there are only two mafia teams; if we peg one, the other one falls into suspicion. Not the best play; I'm sure most people in this game hold L to a higher standard than that.



And you posted these since then:

On June 26 2010 03:27 Nikon wrote:
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On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.


Unless he just got them out of the way so they won't argue with his posts later on. I don't know why supporting a scummy team would be a good thing in your book.


On June 26 2010 01:53 BrownBear wrote:
LaXer is playing like I do: probably not posting as much as he should, but trying to make each post count.


Yeah, right, how about no? Look at his latest thing...

On June 26 2010 03:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Did you read my entire post? I said that on the assumption of a certain level of playing from L, that he would not do something as obvious as kill a team he was arguing with.
To my point of view it looks good for him to support my team because I don't think a mafia team would openly support a scummy looking townie team.


Urgh, assuming certain level of playing from L, and assuming that he knows better than to kill a team that argued with him, doesn't mean that he didn't do so. Assuming that he did not is naive, at best.

Also, BrownBear cannot distinguish between 1 and two, apparetnly.

>What do we gain from these two posts of yours? Got DCLXVI to clarify his logic and point out that DCLXVI's assumptions hold no weight. Oh and claiming BrownBear can't distinguish between one and two, what.
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 26 2010 13:37 GMT
#722
^ bad formatting, put Nikon's first quote up until my > into a separate quote >.>
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LaXerCannon
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada558 Posts
June 26 2010 17:08 GMT
#728
On June 26 2010 23:29 Nikon wrote:
I didn't miss that post, do you think I'm stupid or something? Your posts hold even less value than mine and you have the audacity to stand before these people and accuse me of... what? Killing Murray? Is that it?


I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort.

Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument.
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