EPTThere's still 12 people that needs to vote but Darth is ahead 10 - 6 YI.
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MooCow
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There's still 12 people that needs to vote but Darth is ahead 10 - 6 YI. | ||
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On June 05 2010 09:08 DarthThienAn wrote: Think so. And as of flamewheel's most recent post, there are only 3 people missing... What are you talking about? ? There's 30 people in this game according to the OP. Election Votes Votes for YellowInk (6) YellowInk LunarDestiny DCLXVI Zyrre Thegilaboy bumatlarge Votes for DarthThienAn (10) DarthThienAn littlechava TyranoS_NiveK deconduo AcrossFiveJulys barth crate onihunter Hugoboss21 ElyAs Votes for BrownBear (1) BrownBear Votes for jiabung (1) jiabung 10+6+1+1 = 18 So there's still 12 people to vote? Or am i going crazy?! | ||
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 Didn't see his latest post... Sorry!! Disregard that post at the top! -_-;; | ||
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I voted for you because you seem less like a mafia to me but i'm still very wary of both you and YI. It just seems kinda hard for 6 organized people to not get a mafia into one of the spots. | ||
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The first posts that kind of "shocked" me were LaXerCannon and 3 Lions, just because they haven't been very active and they start the night phase by instantly trying to link people to clues. I know 3L gave a reason but meh seems a bit suspicious to me. | ||
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As I said before I just think it's a bit difficult for 6 organized people to not get someone into the mayor/pardoner role. | ||
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How many people can Mafia kill in one night? | ||
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As I said before you are trying to tell me that 6 organized people couldn't get someone into a mayor/pardoner role vs 24 disorganized paranoid and inactive group of people? A bit difficult to believe but it is possible. I'm not saying I don't trust them to do their proper job as mayor/pardoner, even if they either or was a mafia he can't just go around lynching anyone without any repercussion from the town. I trust them for the time being but i'm just saying if things look a bit weird we should be willing and ready to lynch them if needed. | ||
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Well the Day 2 clues on the killing of ElyAs follows that of ninjas and maybe DT's? Stealthy, masked and bloody knife. | ||
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TheGilaboy http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/1_TheGilaboy.jpg zeks http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/14_zeks.jpg TyranoS_NiveK http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/flamewheel/TL_Mafia_XXVI/18_TyranoS_NiveK.jpg | ||
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But like LaXercannon I always though they looked like DT pictures | ||
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![[image loading]](http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/screenshots/pstarcraft/14738210.jpg) Very sexy picture! But taking stuff into consideration the pics in the profiles kind of looked like they are masked anyway and they all use knives/blades, stealthy and quick. Even if we were to consider it to be zealots maybe they have let speed upgrades?! | ||
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Lots of MTF clues+ Show Spoiler + [/B]B]On June 06 2010 15:57 MTF wrote: Alright, let's get started on the fun stuff! Judging from the consistency between the two Day posts, I'm going to say that we have the misfortune of having somewhat random clue placement. This is to say, characters are not strictly going to be tied to clues (which would make it much easier), but rather that any given passage could return valid information on any of the mafia members. This makes it harder to build up a collection of profiles, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to try.  Keep in mind that I'm only listing the subtle connections here, and not the more "shout-in-your-face" types. (eg, YellowInk) Suspects Based Off Clues: BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Day 2: He walked up to jiabung's body still hung, and began to inspect jiabung, perhaps looking for clues. ... He was at his desk in his library, looking at the pictures of the recently deceased town leaders through his magnifying glass. After carefully analyzing the pictures, he realized he was no step closer to solving this crime. Connection to BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + BumAtLarge has a picture of Professor Layton (and Luke) in his profile. Professor Layton is a Sherlock Holmes-esque character who is said to have great intuition, and solves crimes/mysteries throughout the world. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Not feeling strong enough to lynch off of, but definitely keep in mind. Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 2: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight. ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. Connection to Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + "Loves playing medic & spy at TF2". The masked man, the keeping to the shadows, and the instant killing with a knife all point to the spy from TF2. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Seeing as this ignored the masked figure beating Elyas to the steps and is only based on one Day post, the evidence is insufficient for me to feel any conviction. crate: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Crime he thought, so unlikely in his town. ... Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway....Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. Connection to crate: + Show Spoiler + crate's profile quote is from Richard Feynman. It relates to the percieved improbability of things. It seems very improbable that Incognito would survive all of these attempts on his life, just to get sprayed in the face with hot ink and then run into a car. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + I like crate's posting. A lot. And the clue is somewhat convuluted. So, I'm far from sold. MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Day 2: ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ... After climbing into the bed, he turned off his light and turned to see his drapes flutter in the wind. He moved to them and saw his window open, shaking his head and not remembering opening the window, he moved to close it...A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. Connection to MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Damn, that's a lot of stuff to be possibly connected to. In any case, both of their public profiles (which I was saddened to learn neither of you wrote) mention that they used to be a CIA agents (poisoning coffee), throws tennis rackets with extreme accuracy (knife), defy the laws of physics (easily beating Barth to the courthouse), and scales walls (Barth wouldn't have died if thrown from the first floor). Verdict: + Show Spoiler + There's simply too many opportunities for red herrings to pop up, given the amount of information available. Plus, I sincerely doubt that Flamewheel/BC would be irresponsible enough to make cluesets using this information when it is the exact same between two people. They'd both need to be Mafia for this to make any sense. Least convincing clue connection to me, overall. General Notes: (This is more or less just a "pay attention to the way things are worded" section to help newer people looking for clues. It will also show some thoughts I have that others might be able to connect to specific people.) Day 1: + Show Spoiler + as per usual for a man of his stature. Gazing down at his desk, Not going to be related to anybody short. Making his way down to the city center, he gazed at the buildings as he passed, the shopping mall that had just been built, the school he went to when he was a kid, just farther down the way a series of small stores and restaurants...he stopped by the fountain in front of the office. It was there he noticed he was being followed. Turning, he saw a figure rush forward. The killer may have started following him from one of the above mentioned places. The most logical point would be at the school, which is the last place it says BloodyC0bbler actually passes before heading back. Also, did he notice the person following him specifically because of the fountain? Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Townspeople disappeared back to their homes, to wait out the night armed with shotguns behind hastily constructed barricades. Hastily constructed barricades could be referencing something in particular. However, after a few minutes he became aware of another presence, and nervously backed down from the steps, and started on his way home. What made him aware of that presence? ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Somehow the killer made it far enough ahead of Elyas to be sitting on the steps, waiting for him. This is despite Elyas running and the masked figure only following him before. Also, note the wording - he was "beaten" to the steps. Could indicate someone overwhelmingly winning. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. It only takes an instant between Elyas noticing the figure and his being killed. This could be simply detailed writing or may be a clue. The same thing applies to the word "snuffed", which could allude to candles. As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. Note that this assailant, unlike any of the others before, was not seen in any way. It is simply "a weight", which when coupled with the window being opened at a sufficient height to kill Barth, could indicate this killer being some kind of "force" or supernatural being, rather than a person. A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. I already mentioned it above, but feel I should reiterate: The window was high up enough that Barth died upon impact. This means that whoever killed him must have had a way to access the window. This may or may not be relevant, given that there are ways to get around heights, but as none were mentioned I feel it is important to make note of this. Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. Clues get stronger with time, allowing the build-up of connections. We aren't likely to catch anybody Day 1-2 on them, but starting on Day 3 and continuing we will have much greater chances of it. Yea it was really unfortunate that both Tyranos and I have the same wording in our profiles. If I knew that would of happened I would of gotten something else -_-, but i signed up first with it! I realise everyone is talking about Gilaboy, which is fair enough imo but let's not forget about zeks. His profile pic is of a ninja, although he isn't masked. Zeks also ran for mayor/pardoner role but no one voted for him, in the end he voted for YI. | ||
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On June 07 2010 04:16 Zyrre wrote: Interesting. This does seem like a possibility. Can't really "profile" Tyranos on his posting since there are so few posts. MooCow consistently ask questions about the game and refers to the mafia as "them" or "how could they not get a candidate in" etc. Might be an attempt to distance himself from mafia, or he is just new and didn't research mafia games a lot. Yea i'm a new player to the mafia game. This game was meant to attract more newer players though I believe. I think some of my questions were a bit hard to find in the other mafia games because there are so many different mafia modes. In one of the mafia threads I think it was some kind of Russian war as soon as the game started 2 guys ( Chizenu(sp) and Mandongo(sp)) started killing each other and everyone seemed confused lol. Very weird comments from Deuceglaider. Maybe he's just putting his name as a placer but why would he put his own name for the placer though -_- | ||
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On June 07 2010 06:58 pyr0ma5ta wrote: Hm, well I thought I contributed by pointing out GilaBoy's obvious fail with the "Tiny the Stone Giant" thing, something which nobody had pointed out yet (though I fail to believe I'm the only one in this game who's played Dota). Is this not considered contributing?  Oh, and I'm not sure I agree that inactivity is an indication of Mafianess. We've already lynched an inactive non-Mafia. If we just lynch based on activity, the obvious Mafia counter-play is to just post a lot of blah blah blah. Well to be fair to about our first lynch, I don't think he posted at all? It was only the day 1 also. The reasoning behind the inactivity lynching is because we want the game to be more lively etc but it helps us determine who is mafia and who isn't by their posting style. All townies posting wouldn't need to be scared because they aren't mafia and hopefully with their posting patterns it shows but if mafias were to constantly post we are hoping to see some slip ups from the mafias. | ||
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Because as it is right now the lynch voting seems to be going for Deuce ( seems very inactive and doesn't care about the game ) or Gilaboy ( basing it mainly on clues ). I think if you would of kept that voting pattern to yourself a little longer and realized they all kept voting near the same time it would of been so solid! But now that you called them out on it this early even if they aren't all mafia I think they are going to vote at different times just to get less suspicion on them. Great analysis too crate. In my earlier posts I did say I was suspicious of both YI and Darth but in later posts I say I do trust them for the time being but I still think we should be wary of their posts because it's a possibility that either or is a mafia. On the zeks thing I thought I was clearish  . I was suspicious of zeks because he was one of the first people to run for mayor, which as you guys said mafia tends to do and tries to get a bandwagon, but no one voted for him. Zeks also has a ninja character in his profile that uses knives, they are stealthy and quick but this is only basing it on his clues. | ||
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AFJ+ Show Spoiler + On June 08 2010 00:11 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Guys, I couldn't resist doing an analysis on MooCow. I just looked through his post history and I'm getting a very strong read that he's mafia. He's playing a "newbie townie" role. And way overplaying it. Check out how many of his posts are asking ridiculous questions that he could have easily deduced from the OP or figured out himself: On June 03 2010 05:17 MooCow wrote: How does an excel sheet help ? Asking as a noob/first timer of the game. On June 03 2010 12:57 MooCow wrote: Can a mafia member be voted in as mayor? During the voting can the public vote to kill the mayor? On June 03 2010 13:06 MooCow wrote: I see, this is my first time playing, so it would be really important to get a DT or someone to check the potential mayor candidates before we vote them in right? If the DT's find anything can it be told to the public or is it private information? Looking at everything so far Zeks seems like a potential mafia and there's too little info for Yellowink. On June 03 2010 13:29 MooCow wrote: So I assume any info the DT's find are told to everyone in this thread about clues etc? In like every other post he mentions or leverages the fact that he's new at the game. e.g, in addition to above posts, On June 03 2010 09:53 MooCow wrote: Probably more interesting to play with people that are participating in the game rather than kill the people that are participating. E: Never played the game either, first time trying. On June 03 2010 13:58 MooCow wrote: Damn I agree with Oni again, Yellowink seems to be really pushing hard for the mayor position which is fair and understandable but for me it seems a bit suspicious. I believe the point of the game is to persuade and con people into believing whatever you say and influence it in your favor from what I see so far. On June 03 2010 23:01 MooCow wrote: Thanks to everyone posting additional information about the game for the newer people. It'd be great if you added more inputs Crate it was easy to understand and read. We still have time before we all vote for the mayor right? With 30 people here there's still a bunch of people still to post so would we be looking those people as potential first day lynch? He also often overcompensates and makes sure that he mentions that he could be mafia so people wouldn't think he's leaving that out: On June 03 2010 12:11 MooCow wrote: Whoa great find imo. The Naruto and knives thing, they do indeed throw knives around a lot on that anime. Can we defend ourselves from accusations? On the disturbed thing, after reading through the paragraph the word disturbed just seemed like a very common word to be used there, but fair play even after reading through that i'd be suspicious of me! Seriously that's just the tip of the iceberg, almost all of his posts are overcompensating or being a "newb townie". He appeared to get very worried about the yellowink/darth election and stated FOUR times that it seems possible for mafia to be able to organize and get one of their six elected. Then after it seemed they would be elected he stopped complaining. Please other people look through his post history and tell me if you get the same vibe. Yes i'm a noob to the game of mafia. Some of the stuff I asked could of been figured out from reading the OP and some couldn't, which is my bad for not going through the OP carefully. I surely don't overcompensate imo. I just post whatever I think but as crate said earlier I think I don't do much convincing in my posts so they are just general thoughts of the progress of the game. Then after it seemed they would be elected he stopped complaining. Nope, that's not true. Even if you read crate analysis of me it says I still continue to be wary of both YI and Darth. Even in one of my more recent posts I say why I am and what not so I don't see how you managed to get that. | ||
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AFJ + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2010 00:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: On June 08 2010 00:26 MooCow wrote: Yes i'm a noob to the game of mafia. Some of the stuff I asked could of been figured out from reading the OP and some couldn't, which is my bad for not going through the OP carefully. Like I said it's as if you were going out of your way to ask questions to make yourself look newbie. That's what looks suspicious. I surely don't overcompensate imo. I just post whatever I think but as crate said earlier I think I don't do much convincing in my posts so they are just general thoughts of the progress of the game. I'm sure you surely don't overcompensate in your opinion too. You better start doing some convincing rather than posting contentless garbage like the way you are defending yourself right now if you don't want to look suspicious. Then after it seemed they would be elected he stopped complaining. Nope, that's not true. Even if you read crate analysis of me it says I still continue to be wary of both YI and Darth. Even in one of my more recent posts I say why I am and what not so I don't see how you managed to get that. fine, your complaining was significantly reduced but not completely gone. This isn't what made me think you are mafia anyway. Wow you're an aggressive poster in general. I'm posting content less garbage because i'm trying to defend myself. The only accusation from you in your post is that i'm acting too much like a newbie town role and overplaying that role and the suspicions of YI and Darth which in your own words you were wrong. I believe I answered all of your accusations of me for the most part in my first post. He also often overcompensates and makes sure that he mentions that he could be mafia so people wouldn't think he's leaving that out I'm sure that's only one post where I do that it was me asking if we should defend ourselves from accusations. For the whole of the game i've been pro town and never mention I could be mafia. And the post you were referring to was a situation like this right now. | ||
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