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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I've also outlined why roleclaming is beneficial, night actions cannot be anonymous, if we know your role then it is more easy to determine if you are acting for the neutrals benefit, and also it makes you less desriable for a team as they cannot use you or your night action without fear of being discovered. Basically you do not currently have an argument as far as I can tell so what is your role? | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 25 2010 00:06 XeliN wrote: Name claiming wouldn't be "hey recruit me" in fact not saying it is moreso as it is suggestive that you have a highly desirable role for the other factions. Roleclaiming would let the neutrals know more easily if you had become recruited. You argument for not claiming is poor and I am finding you quite the suspicious person. The fact that apparently the only person you have told is Radfield is also odd. Claimed to BB, he just hasn't been around ...like I said And not roleclaiming wouldn't be a red flag to recruiters at all if you weren't trying to drag it out of me for no reason, yea? I see no one else concerned about what role I have, only my name and the drama around that. And even that has hardly been anyone except for Scamp/you. Why so eager to find my role? On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote: Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited? lol.. On May 25 2010 00:12 XeliN wrote: Anyway the only credible argument for not roleclaiming is that you would become desirable to the other factions, and hopefully I have shown how that logic is faulty. I've also outlined why roleclaming is beneficial, night actions cannot be anonymous, if we know your role then it is more easy to determine if you are acting for the neutrals benefit, and also it makes you less desriable for a team as they cannot use you or your night action without fear of being discovered. Basically you do not currently have an argument as far as I can tell so what is your role? My night actions aren't anonymous, since I'm held accountable by the people that know who I am and my role. You're right that roleclaiming is beneficial in that way - but I've already done that and am already being useful to the town. Roleclaiming publicly to everyone at this point is still unnecessary. My not roleclaiming is just me trying to keep the factions in the dark. As far as I'm concerned, the town knows who I am. The factions don't - it's one less role that they know about, and one less person they can skip over for a more desirable role. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote: Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited? I was going to announce it too... Hesmyrr inspired me. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
By the way, Darth, even if you don't know much about RotK, plenty of other people do, and anyone who knows about it knows Zhou Yu is one of the important characters in the series, and one of the most remarkable officers (Behind only Zhuge Liang, and maybe Sima Yi and Jiang Wei). I'd be pretty surprised if the factions didn't do their damndest to get anyone who name claimed Zhuge Lian/Zhou Yu/Sima Yi, respectively, because they're the three smartest and most notable "Advisor" types in the series. Just because you don't claim your role doesn't mean it isn't obvious you have a significant role. Speaking of which, has anyone name claimed Sima Yi? I'd be really surprised if he wasn't included. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On May 24 2010 23:29 DarthThienAn wrote: Wow that was pretty fail. too bad we can't edit. anyway. + Show Spoiler + "I was fishing" "We need people to nameclaim..." etc "I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name." @Xelin: " I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. " "I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town." " Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. " "Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. ... And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling." "Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too." "I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms."" @whoever said I was pushing for the other double claims: "Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this?" I did so after explaining myself several times, so that's hardly "dodging" my situation. "Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. ... How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it." "To bait someone into nameclaiming." " Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. " tl;dr version: I did my fake claim to draw out another player's name. Simple as that. I chose a fairly random name, but one I thought would be in the game, based on what I knew from Wikipedia - which wasn't much. Credentials? Radfield already said I claimed to him beforehand - BrownBear hasn't said anything but he hasn't been active lately since he's been moving home from college. Maybe you should PM him to do so if it's that big of a deal to you. Officially: I am Zhou Yu. I'm not going to roleclaim at this point, because that's retarded and I don't need to. Enough people know my role that we can make use of it. Can we move on now? Or is there something else you want me to explain? Ask me directly, now, or else shut up and focus on the matter at hand, instead of going in circles with me. Quick post to back Darth up on this. He roleclaimed to me as well, and I have no reason to distrust him. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 25 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote: Also, dammit, Fishball. I may have not had time to switch my night action off of MyHeroNoob. I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see. What is time? What time is it? What day is it? I wish I knew the answer to these questions. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 25 2010 04:20 LunarDestiny wrote: Now should be Night 3 What. Day 3, isn't it. I was saying that semi-sarcrastically, poking fun at Caller. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Once Caller posts we'll be on Day 3, and we'll vote again. Xelin, Bill Murray claimed to have a role where he dies if we give him our armies. Please don't roleblock someone with an investigative role. I recommend Trezguet at the moment, or Fishball. In my eyes they are the two most likely leaders at this point. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 25 2010 05:45 Radfield wrote: It's Night 2 right now as far as I can tell. Yesterday's day went an extra 24hrs because Caller never showed up. Once Caller posts we'll be on Day 3, and we'll vote again. Xelin, Bill Murray claimed to have a role where he dies if we give him our armies. Please don't roleblock someone with an investigative role. I recommend Trezguet at the moment, or Fishball. In my eyes they are the two most likely leaders at this point. After you guys rollcheck me, your list will be at just fishball. I haven't been posting to protest all these claims because when it gets to morning, I will be cleared so, yeah. Don't have much to add, I would guess that the other guy who says he is cao pi is probably a leader. I just don't get why he would wait to roleclaim so long and then just say that he was someone that has already been claimed. Why not just make something up? Not to mention, I posted my shit to make it easier to check me out if needed (most people just put their names at first). | ||
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