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On May 11 2010 12:48 Korynne wrote: We seem to be a bit behind schedule Incog (haven't seen d3 online all day and we haven't figured out everything yet), no biggie, we'll get things ruffled out.
I've handed d3 my availability so he knows when I can help.
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On May 11 2010 14:30 johnnyspazz wrote: if green and blue pick the same person and red picks a different person in the beginning, doesn't the game end?
not neccesarily as yellow turbans start with their own number etc..
You never know how many people start with what side, how many people are of no house alignment to begin with, or who is of what, etc..
It could end quickly if 3 groups consistantly pick the same person and the last group is always choosing diff people, but unlikely case in this game.
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On May 11 2010 09:02 Korynne wrote: Yeah flamewheel, as someone who is chinese, I personally find this a bit creepy. xD
Edit: It would be so cool to name detectives like, zhu ge liang, etc. xD And you know, whatever other roles according to peeps in the thing. xD Not sure how many people would get it though.
Pang tong, sima yi, zhou yu go go
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You don't deserve zhao yun you shu scum :p
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On May 17 2010 13:24 Scamp wrote: Lu Bu will screw up this game somehow.
Fuck lu bu. Just hold diao chan hostage, GG lu bu
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On May 18 2010 07:10 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2010 05:18 johnnyspazz wrote:On May 18 2010 05:08 Radfield wrote: Time to have someone make a bid for my armies. Convince me why you should get the glory and power of my army.
Who will you kill? Why? i think you should have the power to lead the lynch since you were so good in PYP 1 ##Vote Radfield Sounds good to me Send me your armies!! For I will make this a better game! How you ask? Why by killing those tag-along, verge of getting modkilled, just post enough to get by players. Those players are BORING, and lack both sass AND pizazz. At the end of the day, we'll (I'll) figure out who the least posting and uninspired player is and swoop down to DeathStar their planet. In the unlikely event that everyone is moderately active, I will kill someone else. I'm open to suggestions.
So, you have a plan to kill inactives? Cool.
However, you stress the word I'll" decide who to kill. This strikes me as a Leaderish sort of talk. Why you ask?
Because by stressing that You will decide over the majority, it means you already have a predisposed agenda. This would put you as the head of yellow turbans, wei, wu, or shu.
This could easily be a minor error in your writing, however, it seems unlikely.
Your idea to kill inactives is sound only so long as we haven't narrowed down someone who is an obvious yellow turban. Untop of it, your bandwagon is insanely suspicious for such an early start.
On May 18 2010 12:09 Falcynn wrote:Well, since I don't have to be paranoid about people suspecting me of being mafia for bandwagoning in this setup, I'm just gonna go ahead and jump on the bandwagon and give my army to radfield for no other reason than I have no reason to really target anyone considering the teams aren't even concrete
You didn't read the game, there is no "mafia" per se in this game. there are 4 factions competing, read the rule set. Also, jumping in on bandwagons is retarded this early on in the game.
On May 18 2010 09:52 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2010 09:47 Bill Murray wrote: Do not give me your armies Caller is being VERY unhelpful in clarifying my role PM Giving me your armies may kill you, so do not do so. I will also not be able to give my armies to anyone without them being at risk of dying. Like I said, I am not sure of my role PM. I will let you vote for me to give my armies to someone. There is the chance that me giving my armies to them will be detrimental/will lead to them dying; however, as I have already implied, I am not sure of this. Caller was very vague and even said "lalalala" to me.
As it is right now, though, we should vote as if me giving my army is a suicide/day vig, so vote on who you want me to subject my armies upon. Just keep them for yourself since this is very confusing and you can just suicide and save us all. It is the honorable thing to do.
Stop telling people to suicide themselves, Play the game, and if you hate the player get someone to give you armies and off them.
So many spammy people in this thread, with very little real input, what the hell is wrong with you people. Everyone should be posting decently, as spammyness lets people hide far too easily.
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On May 18 2010 14:44 Scamp wrote: BC what do you mean "hide"? Best I can tell there are four leaders right now and that's it. It's not even possible to kill a leader with this first lynch, is it?
I figure most of us simply have nothing to do right now.
If you spam now, chances are, people spam more later. That leads to excuses like "i've been doing this all game lay off" or the like, and just lets people hide more easily (those who fall under similar characteristics radfield mentioned). I get why people would be bored, but seriously? don't start terrible trends so early on, makes too much precident for later days.
As for if a leader can be killed day 1, no clue? It states to kill a faction leader/yellow turban with a lynch requires more armies than that faction total, so if whoever made a lynch had enough armies, technically they could?
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On May 19 2010 00:29 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 00:21 Bill Murray wrote: caller can say one thing and have done another the wording BC used in talking to radfield is a dead giveaway of him fishing for information on leaders the main reason we need worry that he could be doing that is because he is the yellow turban leader i will admit that it is a necessity for people to do that from every player slot. it would also be in your benefit to lie, L, about the method he used to pick. based upon my character, though, i can GUARANTEE he handpicked roles. and i can GUARANTEE that they were randomly generated just ask BC how well i randomly generate roles
Trust me, he RNG's. No one deserves to be punished by being hand picked the VI role.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2010 19:39 Bill Murray wrote:I find L and BC's play currently to be aligned with their "blue" play. BC is a "i'll take over while I'm alive" sort of player when he's blue (with a power role). L is more of the laid back style as detective as can be seen from micro mafia 2. Both of them are in tune with this. BC has criticized the town already, denounced the current "leader" (clearly wanting it himself as he did as the detective-mayor), and is trying to sway the spotlight in his direction through having a few drawn out amazing posts in an a la ver mode. His play makes him an obvious number one target on who could potentially be the Faction Leader we need to eliminate. He is also fishing for information in his post directed towards Radfield. BC says: I'll tell you why. Because he is the yellow turban leader, and is fishing to see if Radfield is potentially on his side without him dying (yellow turbans obviously can't recruit leaders). Radfield gives him the advantage in two ways: 1) he is currently swaying the army voting and has power 2) he is a smart, good, solid player who would be a practical addition to BloodyC0bbler's turbans. L has been quiet, and really not posting as much (wanting to stay out of the fray) until I mentioned his name at all. I am surprised people are not donating their armies to a veteran, and are donating to a "new" player "who has played well in the past" in Radfield, who is my 3rd suspect in reasons I will be giving after this is finished on L. L may just be busy living it up (as it's a great time of year), and we can hold him accountable if he doesn't "come out of his blue shell". I would suggest him as a secondary target for "who is a faction leader we need to kill" He is likely Cao Cao in my opinion. Radfield is a little harder to pin, and my reasoning is because of the past success of "good, new players" in getting roles. I gave Korynne a spot in the mafia in my LAMM, and citi.zen has been elected to become mafia in a few games since his success. Hell, flamewheel even let me have a shot. What I'm getting at is Radfield could potentially be Sun Quan or Liu Bei (though I kind of doubt it). Trust me on this one, BloodyC0bbler would be a good lynch for us in terms of balancing the game and lowering the skill ceiling for us relatively noob players. He is most definitely a power role, and is the player I would deem "most likely to be leading the yellow turbans" based NOT ONLY upon his being a good player who is favored but ALSO upon his posting fishing for information out of Radfield. Whoever is elected, I implore you to consider lynching BC.
Big ass post from BM, thats actually not trolling O M G.
There are a few simple problems with your theory. I aim to be a voice of reason almost every game I actively play in regardless of my role. Regardless, I will humour your post.
Radfields general post (Yes he just explained it in a previous post) screamed out potential leader. Then again, its the form of accusation that you need to make at the moment. With this game being the setup that it is, giving someone a day vig power with a semi joke post is retarded.
As for my fishing for info? I do that every game, just like your doing it now. By your own system that would make you a likely suspect to be the yellow turban leader or any of the other three.
L sitting back with next to no posting atm is normal, as hey the game has barely started and there is almost no real content being generated, ie nothing to really talk about other than how dumb the town is.
As for killing me, it wouldn't lower much of a skill ceiling unless you killed the people who are considered to be in the same area I am assumed to have. IE L, by all rights radfield would be close by based on performance, if you just look at the quality of play this game, yourself bill. You just essentially asked to kill all the relatively intelligent posters in starting with me which seems like a very retarded play. However, the chances of myself/radfield/L all being faction leaders are pretty low when Caller RNG's. I will give you marks for good insight though.
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On May 18 2010 22:01 L wrote: Being Cao Cao woulda been pretty sweet, but I never get roles I ask for.
Not even Manuel L. Hackson
In fact I yelled at caller for not giving me Cao Cao, but he told me all the roles were done by RNG exclusively (and as a side note I owe Ace a punches for that). Because of that, I don't think your case against BC is as strong as you've made it out to be.
I still think abenson is a better kill because frankly stupidity like his should be metagamed against. He's basically afk trolling deadweight every game. In terms of the behavioral analysis, all of the pins you put on BC can be put on abenson as well, but abenson doesn't act differently when he's mafia or town. If he's part of the turbans, there's pretty much nothing that'll give him away later on, and he'll always be a "oh, we'll kill him tomorrow" candidate.
That said, under abenson I'd put BC until he makes a reply post.
Apart from those two, Jugan, Scamp and Tricode seem to be worthy people to pressure or kill on day 1. Maybe more pressure when it comes to scamp, but the other two are just as deadweight.
Abenson/Scamp would be the first two on my list based on metagaming.
Both tend to be mostly useless to the town as they don't contribute, or afk their way to whatever their side's overall achievement is. Jugan will hopefully infuriate caller as he did to flamewheel and get himself modkilled, and Tricode will say something stupid to get himself offed.
I would toss Iaaan onto the list as he is pretty much as useless as the others.
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On May 19 2010 04:21 BrownBear wrote: I'm agreeing with the idea of Yellow Turban lynch. Only problem I see with the current logic: It's highly likely that Caller, being Caller (<3) has played favorites and given out roles to people who he thinks are better players/will be more active. Since it's more likely that the veterans will be faction leaders, wouldn't it also be more likely that the Yellow Turban leader is, in fact, someone who WOULD be more active? Even more so considering everyone's saying "YTL must be a lurker, KILL THE LURKERS"...
Just a thought.
Leaders early on are actually better in the hands of quiet players. Otherwise they got offed potentially way to early. Playing favourites to vets would be giving them decent power roles that aren't leaders. Reason for this is a vet is more likely able to play "sides" better when recruited a bunch of times to diff factions, whereas a newbier player wouldn't so making them faction leaders would be better for their ability (just need to hide who they are).
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On May 21 2010 14:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Down With* the infidel L
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On May 21 2010 14:07 L wrote:HAHAHAHA OH WOW. EXACTLY AS EXPECTED.
OMFG I KNOW RIGHT, L IS AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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On May 21 2010 14:11 L wrote: The part where you voted 3 minutes after the tricode post without bothering to even say anything in the thread was pretty gold :3.
I know duder. I'm like the perfect spy, sneaking around with a knife waiting to stab you STAB YOU. You and I both know that any game that you die is hilarious, as such im going with callers theme of hilariously fucked up shit and saying lets kill L
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On May 21 2010 14:16 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 14:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2010 14:11 L wrote: The part where you voted 3 minutes after the tricode post without bothering to even say anything in the thread was pretty gold :3. I know duder. I'm like the perfect spy, sneaking around with a knife waiting to stab you STAB YOU. You and I both know that any game that you die is hilarious, as such im going with callers theme of hilariously fucked up shit and saying lets kill L Bro. I love you thinking. Hilariousness is 100% assured here. Unless Tricode's neutral vig or insane, in which case its going to just be facepalmy.
He's out in the open trying to lead the town, that leads me to think hes a) legit b) insane c) a really dumb vigi d) got bus'd (rofl i so see caller putting in a driver)
Regardless, the safest act of the players is to 50 50 coin clip on who to kill, you or him lol.
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Oh I forgot e) massive troll
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On May 21 2010 22:19 Abenson wrote: First of all, I would like to point out that L is not yellow Why? I am Taishi Ci, a Yellow Turban killer. I have the ability to visit a person each night, and if he's yellow, he dies. I visited L, and he didn't die. I still believe he's a faction leader, but I want to confirm he's not yellow.
As a note to keep in mind, he also claimed he was protected by a med.
Would that not stop your killing of him ? or does your ability ignore medic protection + extra lives ?
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On May 22 2010 03:44 Hesmyrr wrote: I am Lu Xun. I can protect one person from night actions from every night. I asked Caller, and he said my protection overrides everything, including recruitment/NK/investigation etc. I said encryption codes to ~Opz~ day 1 so you can feel pretty confident in my roleclaim (I did leave out NK bit, but we traded names and I was afraid Lu Bu was serial killer. Tricode did fix himself to being an DT so I suppose it won't matter). I am obviously speaking up because I protected L last night, and thus know what Tricode is saying cannot be true. It is likely that he is Yellow Turban and is trying to waste today's kill. Either way it is clear to me neither of these two cannot be Yellow Turban leader.
This is why I propose an alternative plan; Tracker contacted me via PM and stated Radfield was visited by Xelin. He is kind of lurkish and kind of off everyone's radar, but I believe we have better chance of hitting faction leader by targetting Xelin instead of either Tricode or L. This is my plan: we pick one Townie other than me, L, or Tricode, and tell him to NK Xelin. At the upcoming night we can clarify this Tricode-L situation by having Abenson target Tricode- this will definiely prove he is YT. If Tricode does not die, then I'll accept he is genuine in his claim and I fucked up somewhere (lol Caller), and just lynch him day 3.
Does the person you protected know he was protected? If it nullifies abilities wouldn't a NK not be informed to L? (ie how would he know he was hit)
Basically from the way you said your ability, and from the understanding of how it seems to work (via talk in thread) L shouldn't have known someone tried to hit him (we still need that vig to step up as the only vig to do so far is a YT killer) to say he hit L, and a dt check that shouldn't have worked.
This means that potentially, potentially 4 people are bullshiting L Tricode Hesmyrr Abenson
Seriously guys?
It seems unlikely that given the amount of people who have supposedly visited L last night for caller to fuck up how the roles work.
So would another vig claim to someone that he hit L (that isn't abenson), and would hesmyrr clarify if his role blocks everything and that the user of the abilities blocked receieves notification of its failure, of it the intended victim recieves notification of it.
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On May 22 2010 04:03 Hesmyrr wrote: My protection nullifies ALL night actions including the hit. The PM I sent to ~Opz~ excludes the NK protection part because he told me he was Lu Bu, and was afraid telling I am doctor to potential SK would be stupidity. My role PM states that no one gets notification, me and the protected.
Based on this
L is lying about taking a hit (as he wouldn't have known unless they claimed to him) Tricode is lying (because he would not have been given any info) Your lying about your ability Caller fucked up how your ability works Abenson isn't confirmed.
So, either caller fucked up, or we have 4 people in a giant cluster fuck of everyone bullshitting.
Just wtf.
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On May 22 2010 04:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 04:09 Hesmyrr wrote: I didn't message him. I think L is bullshitting on that part. L is not bullshitting on that part. Its the medic's call if he wants to come out, but if your ability does negate night hits, it might explain why I'm not dead after 2 vig hits. That said, I don't think that's possible, because I have a PM in my inbox from caller stating that I took a hit and got saved, a vig messaged me rather quickly thereafter, then brownbear, who is not the vig also claimed that he hit me. So yeah, medic, if you want to reveal yourself, its your call. I can see why you might want to wait until night to do it, to see if XeliN flips as a leader or not, but its your call.
This means that hesmyrr is lying about his ability. Or caller is retarded.
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I should also stress, if caller fucked up hesmyrrs power use in relation to medics and vigi's then chances are he would have fucked up a dt use.
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On May 22 2010 04:26 L wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 04:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 22 2010 04:03 Hesmyrr wrote: My protection nullifies ALL night actions including the hit. The PM I sent to ~Opz~ excludes the NK protection part because he told me he was Lu Bu, and was afraid telling I am doctor to potential SK would be stupidity. My role PM states that no one gets notification, me and the protected. Based on this L is lying about taking a hit (as he wouldn't have known unless they claimed to him) Tricode is lying (because he would not have been given any info) Your lying about your ability Caller fucked up how your ability works Abenson isn't confirmed. So, either caller fucked up, or we have 4 people in a giant cluster fuck of everyone bullshitting. Just wtf. The Vig notified me that he hit me. The medic claimed to me that he stopped it. Both happened prior to my first post after day broke (i came back to like 4 pms in my inbox) Then brownbear claimed he hit me too, which is why I KNOW someone is lying. Tricode, similarly, has to be lying because he flat out got my role wrong. Caller did pm me, and its possible that he fucked up, but I dunno. Maybe Hesmyrr didn't read his role properly or something. So yeah, at least 2 people are lying, maybe more. Either way, party at L's place.
So true. Still, theres alot of fucked upness going on via caller or people lying of roles. YAY.
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On May 22 2010 09:55 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 09:01 Radfield wrote: OK, people who haven't name claimed:
3. johnnyspazz **SCAMP HAS NAMECLAIMED** 6. Ohn 8. Iaaan 10. BloodyCobbler (his absence from all of this is actually kinda confusing) 11. MyHeroNoob 20. Fishball (as is his) 24. Jugan
BrownBear's additions:
Thoughts?
I have a friend in town till next thursday and I picked her up yesterday afternoon. :p I am insanely inactive mainly because of this. Besides, half of whats being discussed is retarded.
Anyway, I am Huang Gai
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On May 25 2010 07:56 johnnyspazz wrote:so bc is YT leader?
No I am not, but it would be nice to be cleared off the list of YT's
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On May 25 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote: EBWOP: Bah, BC could still be YT, just not the leader... nevermind
Feel free to send abenson at me then, it will confirm that I am not actually a YT, or at least, not an informed one.
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On May 25 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote:
Caller, if we kill the YT leader, do all the YT members die just like the other factions? I realize you might not answer, but it's worth a shot.
They should if he did it once before.
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On May 27 2010 09:35 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 09:39 flamewheel91 wrote: I still, still have no idea whats going on.
Did Caller messed up again. I thought I went for Bill Murray.
You did, and caller didn't kill him, but instead killed spazz.
Other note, was spazz a random neutral or was he YT?
with both YT's and neutrals being done in bolded black it gets confusing.
If, spazz was YT it means all 3 are accounted for (provided game started with just YT leader), otherwise there is at least one YT not dead. If so, could caller confirm that?
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You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have.
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On May 27 2010 10:40 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 10:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have.
If you're telling the truth, then thats a wild and crazy role. What IS a duel? How do you win? How do you lose? Does the person you challenge die if they lose? Who have you visited so far and what happened?
Duel is just that, I challenge someone.
To date, I have challenged Jugan (who died last night), and L.
From what caller has told me, provided the player I challenge isn't killed at night, I win the duel. If they die, the duel doesn't finish, and to lose requires someone having a night role that kills visitors to defeat me.
I have no idea if the player is informed of my action, but as they aren't affected by it, I would guess not.
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On May 27 2010 10:47 LunarDestiny wrote: BUT Jugan is FUCKING ZHANG FEI. Huang Gai is shit against ZHANG FEI who went head to head against LU BU.
and I didn't believe his claim? regardless, he died so the fight ended in a draw.
On May 27 2010 10:47 DarthThienAn wrote: Question to everyone:
How did barth die night 1?
Brownbear didn't do it, which means we have another vigilante or something. It wasn't Radfield's random power either because he got YT killer and got roleblocked anyway. So what happened there? Second vig, please RC if you are alive.
BC, do you know what Jugan's role was?
No, my role doesn't let me know who people are, just lets me duel them.
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Prob BM, I have had company over for the last 7 days so haven't talked to anyone really this game as I have been out playing tourist in the city.
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On May 27 2010 12:21 Caller wrote: k its official
faction leaders officially suck ass
I am pretty sure the fact that no recruit actually had to help their leader, and could actively use their abilities against them + vocally speak up in game if you let them know they were recruited made it hard. Neutrals had absolutely no reason to help leaders, at all. The moment you said neutrals could win (you made a 5th faction) it went from 1v1v1v1 to 1v1v1v1v20. :p you could have predicted this well before hand.
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On May 27 2010 19:03 Radfield wrote: I'd like to hope that BC's choice to concede had something to do with the PM I sent him:
Sorry to say, I'm going to NK you tonight unless you can somehow prove you're not a leader. I know you have a night action. Either you are the watcher, and can prove it by giving me Hesmyrr's code. Or you have a night action that you can hopefully prove some other way.
Otherwise you have to go. Can't have inactive people with night actions running around, surely you see that.
He was the most obvious person to be a leader still in the game. However, I do agree with him that the leaders were kind of fucked once people started playing for a neutral victory. I suppose there needed to be something in the rules about not deliberately playing against your faction.
Anyways, Darth, Brownbear and I had a great time trying to co-ordinate the town actions behind the scenes. Super fun. Good Game all.
actually not.
I was immune to death till fishball died. It was callers confirmation that anyone I recruited could use their powers on me that made me and fishball concede. It meant that no matter what I did at the end meant i'd lose.
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On May 28 2010 04:58 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 03:40 Fishball wrote:On May 27 2010 21:52 Hesmyrr wrote: I think it was all about charisma and public conception; I still recall how most people were skeptical of my plan until Lost Romantic and L was caught consecutively. If that had not happened I don't think enough people would have got behind the plan for neutral victory to work. Honestly most people came into this game expecting faction fight, so turning people against it initially was the hardest task- which is why I over-villainized faction leaders day 1 immediately after Caller threw out some fuel to work with. After THAT post no one was going to openly support the idea of faction fight (even neutrals since their primary goal is to survive, which is not going against town's consensus naturally does. And no leader would have recruited the neutral who planted target on himself.) I would have immediately taken the risk, reveal myself to the first recruit (mouthpiece was necessary to organize future recruits after all) and appease him/her as best as I can lol.
Yellow Turban, because its members could not be recruited, was closest to the actual cult and could have been very powerful had not Trezquet23 drew so much suspicion to himself. If you knew you were going to get checked I would definitely have sent him PM in advance that I was recruiting him. 'Appease' is key word here- when idea of neutral victory got dominant the power balance between recruiter and neutrals got reversed. There seem to be plenty of opinions who said this was not the game was meant to be played so if you were nice about it, I think people would have been acceptable. Hell, L even said "lol your plan sucks b/c this" and I still tried my hardest to save him before giving up for moral victory. I am especially curious after knowing Fishball's ability why he gave up- Fishball was seen as pro-town by day 2~3, so if he worked to keep people away from suspecting his true ability, BC could potentially have lived just enough to make it.
My theorycraft best plan for the what leaders should have done
1) Have the recruited members contact me or L. Set up an alliance whose conduit will be recruited members so that faction leaders identity can necessarily be kept secret. I had idea about using anonymous quickboard.
2) Role-claim wisely. I did it several times as Mafia and it isn't that hard -_- Almost all leaders got caught because of that. Fishball also needed to fake-role/nameclaim so BC's strength became that much stronger.
3) BC publicly claims himself as faction leader, or deliberately give off an "scumslip". Use all three faction members to spread ideas that BC must be lynched.
BC survives. 3 people recruited night 2, L is protected (by me) and BC is immune. You really think 4 different leaders would agree on this ? Even if they do, the "recruited members" might not even listen to the leaders. Hell they could even reveal X/Y/Z is the leader to the public. As for role claiming, that was pretty bad. BC's role claim wasn't exactly what I told him to say and I was face palm all over when I saw it. He literally said it doesn't matter as he can't die if I was still alive, and could literally stand out and claim leader. On the other hand, I was pushing for the concede while waiting for Caller's reply, so yeah. Also keep in mind, role claiming in Mafia and role claiming in this game is totally different. If you don't have good knowledge about Three Kingdoms, the characters names and their role abilities you claim might not make sense to those who actually know about the history. I doubt most of you could come up with a Meng Huo role, (which actually existed in game). I mean small things like L's Sun Ren name claim, and Trez's Cao Pi ability claim, makes zero sense. I think you guys could have won.. all you to do was recruit me and/or BrownBear, and then Radfield and tell us. I would have switched loyalty immediately - dunno about BrownBear - and could easily have said, "oh Fishball is neutral". It might have been tough if Falcynn came back and started being active and watched the right people. You had to get BrownBear after me though for the KP - he might have been a sacrificial lamb at some point, but there was no way you would get him with a day lynch, until you guys were dominating. If you didn't recruit me or BB that night it would have been a toss-up, because, if the town agreed to kill BC and check you (Fishball), then BB and I were planning or switching anyway lol. So BC would have been dead the next day.
If they figured me out as leader, xelin could just roleblock me nightly preventing me from recruiting people. Since no one had to be loyal to who recruited them, didn't matter. For shu to win required like, 6 more game days. Chances of living that long, or recruiting perfectly, or not getting screwed by my own recruits was next to impossible.
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