Okay, assuming Caller didn't mess up and I somehow ended up living, the town has additional power of my medic/recruitment block power. I'll pick one of the important roles and place protection upon him.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 23 2010 22:46 GMT

#1176

Also if the Caller doesn't come back with vengeance to smite me, it is probably that one of the Town has 'neutralification' ability or at least the ability to recruit during the day. I have not received any recruitment PM however, so I was more likely to have been neutralized somehow. If my hypothesis is true, the someone who saved me shouldn't speak up about this or at least only PM me because it is pretty handsome ability to be used against the recruiters.

Assuming nothing went wrong, the current cult situation should be:
Liu Bei three players.
Yellow Turban three to five players.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 25 2010 22:38 GMT

#1436

On May 26 2010 07:30 Caller wrote:

Show nested quote +

hey flamewheel i need u to modkill this guy
not darth

雷聲一拉火焰輪!
~~sorry I just love doing this~~

Edit because I am not in this game anymore and I just CAN: darn it, too late.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 27 2010 12:32 GMT

#1648

You are Lu Xun, the Scholar-General! You are able to see through people's actions and thus may protect one person from night actions every night. You will not be notified if someone is hit or checked, nor will your target.

I wonder how overpowered I could have been if the lore in the PM was true -_- (being privy to information about all actions performed in the night.) Hell, allow me to protect myself and I would have been nearly indestructible unless by dayvig/daykill.

As the very powerful role, I am very proud to have also brought into fruition the very overpowered neutral faction rofl. Honestly, it was impossible for Caller to expect loyalty from us with these two factors in the game:

1) Almost unfair power in the hand of recruiters that discouraged most neutral players from idea of being recruited/working for a faction.

2) The fact that you can change alliances like you could change breakfast; this system encourages individual play, and hell, if you consider what is in best interest of you as individual it was easy to realize you should prefer to stay as neutral until the other factions began to over-number neutrals. Why put your fate in the hand of the leader while you could take initiative yourself? Personally if there were no neutrals at beginning of the game, with all players distributed to their respective factions, it could have gone the way Caller had anticipated.

Statement number two nullifies why argument "mafia should work for mafia" is invalid. The faction in the end was mean to your victory, not source of your victory. To be more specific it was like all of us were Survivors: priority goal, stay alive, secondary goal, make sure you defect to dominant faction and aid your faction only should this not be possible. Absolutely no basis for 'loyalty' since you alignment could change any time (like me lol). It's like you work your ass off for faction A putting it into dominant power, only to be recruited by once-powerful faction B.

Still, I did almost everything in my power to keep L (thus me) alive for another day before surrendering, so I wonder how it would have went if I really had roleblocked L. I would still have ditched him for another faction as soon as I could just because he is such an big obvious target - it's like he magnetically attracts investigations and attacks, statistically proved by night 1

To be honest faction leaders needed to act REALLY fast at day 2 to have a chance against neutral rebellion. That is have one of its recruited members publicly claim (preferably me in that case), and have all other faction members PM me so Yellow Turbans, Liu Bei, and soon-to-be-dead L could set up temporary alliance. And even then it would have been stretch. I am still surprised at how terrible some leaders turned out to be when fake-role-claiming.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 27 2010 12:52 GMT

#1649

I think it was all about charisma and public conception; I still recall how most people were skeptical of my plan until Lost Romantic and L was caught consecutively. If that had not happened I don't think enough people would have got behind the plan for neutral victory to work. Honestly most people came into this game expecting faction fight, so turning people against it initially was the hardest task- which is why I over-villainized faction leaders day 1 immediately after Caller threw out some fuel to work with. After THAT post no one was going to openly support the idea of faction fight (even neutrals since their primary goal is to survive, which is not going against town's consensus naturally does. And no leader would have recruited the neutral who planted target on himself.) I would have immediately taken the risk, reveal myself to the first recruit (mouthpiece was necessary to organize future recruits after all) and appease him/her as best as I can lol.

Yellow Turban, because its members could not be recruited, was closest to the actual cult and could have been very powerful had not Trezquet23 drew so much suspicion to himself. If you knew you were going to get checked I would definitely have sent him PM in advance that I was recruiting him. 'Appease' is key word here- when idea of neutral victory got dominant the power balance between recruiter and neutrals got reversed. There seem to be plenty of opinions who said this was not the game was meant to be played so if you were nice about it, I think people would have been acceptable. Hell, L even said "lol your plan sucks b/c this" and I still tried my hardest to save him before giving up for moral victory. I am especially curious after knowing Fishball's ability why he gave up- Fishball was seen as pro-town by day 2~3, so if he worked to keep people away from suspecting his true ability, BC could potentially have lived just enough to make it.

My ~~theorycraft~~ best plan for the what leaders should have done

1) Have the recruited members contact me or L. Set up an alliance whose conduit will be recruited members so that faction leaders identity can necessarily be kept secret. I had idea about using anonymous quickboard.

2) Role-claim wisely. I did it several times as Mafia and it isn't that hard -_- Almost all leaders got caught because of that. Fishball also needed to fake-role/nameclaim so BC's strength became that much stronger.

3) BC publicly claims himself as faction leader, or deliberately give off an "scumslip". Use all three faction members to spread ideas that BC must be lynched.

BC survives. 3 people recruited night 2, L is protected (by me) and BC is immune.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 27 2010 12:56 GMT

#1650

Finally the identity of mysterious Watcher! How many of you got it right?

BFEWO-XOZYK-AZTUF-JSJDC-QMGUK-AIJGF-DNLFW-LMIIZ-VQYEW-NJDMB-FHOHR-QOVOS
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124659&currentpage=53#1052

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 27 2010 17:31 GMT

#1659

Anyway, to bring this game into its official end:

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After crushing Yellow Turban rebellion, victorious Neutral rebellion army heads toward Shu. However, it seems that bloodshred will be averted, as BloodyCobbler and Fishball come forwards the masses to officially declare their surrender. Liu Bei and Dian Wei has been overthrown!

Survivors of Neutral Revolution:

Bill Murray Yuan Shao ...Terrible general, terrible logic
Radfield Zhuge Liang ...Tactician who finally beheads the Unrighteous Hero
Scamp Guan Yu ...Falls into obscurity
Ohn Pang Tong ...Still worse than Zhuge Liang spite of history change
Falcynn Sima Yi ...Mysterious individual watching you
laaan Cao Pi ...Whose ambitions were thwarted by rebellion
BloodyCobbler Liu Bei ...Fleeing and conceding as usual
MyHeroNoob Meng Huo ...With his epic self-portrait
Xelin Jian Wei ...Now afraid of someone watching him
BrownBear Zhao Yun ...Vocal leader of the rebellion
TwoToneTerran Ma Chao ...Who?
Abenson Taishi Ci ...Gets lost in the way to find his target
~OpZ~ Lu Bu ...Now married
Fishball Dian Wei ...Loyal to warlords from start to end
LunarDestiny Xu Zhu ...Still struggling with miscommunication
DarthThienAn Zhou Yu ...Silently confirming your fate

List of the Dead:

Hesmyrr Lu Xun ...Now knows to fear the supernatural
johnnyspazz Zhang Liao ...Swearing at the clock
L Sun Quan ...Comedian who loves irony
Tricode Lu Meng ...Dies content of his achievement
barth Diao Chan ...Beauty lives a hard (or no) life
Trezquet23 Zhang Jiao ...Told you this would happen if you misused the magic
Last Romantic Cao Cao ...Over-confident about his abilities
Jugan Zhang Fei ...Drinks himself to death without anyone to moderate him

Final Tally
(Faction/Alive/Dead)

Neutrals 14/3
Wei 0/1
Wu 0/2
Shu 2/0
Yellow Turbans 0/2

Aftermath:
Neutral rebellion causes China to no longer use emperor system of government and thus makes it less isolationist. The result is that China is exposed to science and industrial revolution much more earlier, and emerges to become superpower which ends up conquering all of Asia in the First World War. When the Second World War begins, China join the side of Germany again and promptly conquer Soviet Union and eventually United States. The entire world ends up being under the rule of Nazi and Chinese rule.