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Okay I have continued to think and I have found something else to talk about: Role selection.
For those near the bottom of the list (which I'm going to mark somewhere around johnnyspazz or DarthThienAn):
There are several roles which are very important for someone to pick up this game. These roles are (in no particular order):
The information roles - Tracker, Alignment Cop, Role Cop
The hit-related roles - Medic, Meth Dealer, Veteran, Bulletproof
Other - Copy Cat
It is very important that we have at least the threat of these roles out there. With this in mind, I'm arguing that if you are near the bottom of the list, you should think very hard about selecting one of these roles. While you might wind up not getting anything, it is more important that we have these roles in the game than it is that you get a role. DO NOT pick something like Pardoner or Floridian just so you can get a role. DO NOT pick something like Jack in the hopes that it somehow slipped all the way down to you. The mafia will not allow a role like that to fall this far.
For those above that on the list: Try to pick something that will be useful. You can choose to pick one of the roles mentioned above. You can also choose to pick a KP role in an attempt to deny the mafia that role. Just be mindful of your place in the selection and your limitations as a player. If you don't think you will be able to use a KP role responsibly, either don't take it, or take it and don't use it (or use it at the direction of the town). Just be careful.
Remember, the longer this game goes on, the more information the town has, and the more likely it is that the town will win. Don't let the mafia whittle us down too much early and we will be stronger later.
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On May 01 2010 14:15 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I bid [4] [1]
Okay this makes things interesting. This also changes my assumptions a little bit. This is the information that we have at this time:
+ Show Spoiler [Drafting order] +
1. Bill Murray - I think he was [1] [1] - he needs to confirm
2. L (or replacement when he/she gets access) - I think he was [2] [1] - he needs to confirm
3. Foolishness
4. Korynne
5. Falcynn
6. [NyC]HoBbes - [4] [1]
7. ~Opz~
8. d3_crescentia
9. Caller
10. sidesprang
11. Qatol - [6] [1]
12. JeeJee
13. DarthThienAn
14. johnnyspazz
15. Amnesia
16. Zona
17. citi.zen - [12] [3]
18. Radfield - has to be the same as Scamp
19. Scamp - has to be the same as Radfield
If Hobbes had not moved down, he would be at the very most #4. Because he is #6 in the list, we know that he moved down. What does that tell us? Almost everyone duplicated their numbers. This makes our job both easier and harder. We still need to be looking hardest at the people at the top of the list:
3. Foolishness
4. Korynne
5. Falcynn
because it is possible that they did not duplicate. Remember, because the mafia know what each other will be bidding, they are less likely to duplicate a number than any of us. These 3 are the most likely mafia at this point.
However, it also means that outside of those 3, the mafia are likely distributed decently randomly throughout the rest of the list.
Just because this has changed does not mean that any of my other points have gone away. Be mindful of everything else. If you don't like something that I have said, talk about it. Productive conversation helps the town and hurts the mafia.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Wait I think I just noticed a sublte mistake in draft order. Updated
It should be:
Radfield
Scamp
Zona
citizen
before I had it as
zona
citizen
radfield
scamp
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On May 01 2010 16:39 Ace wrote:
Wait I think I just noticed a sublte mistake in draft order. Updated
It should be:
Radfield
Scamp
Zona
citizen
before I had it as
zona
citizen
radfield
scamp
Okay that tells us that Zona bid [12] [3 or less]. We know nothing about Scamp's or Radfield's bids other than that they duplicated with someone and it was <= 12
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Wow, Qatol is so cool.
Uh, I picked [1][5] (just read my PM to Ace again to be sure).
I was a bit confused when I saw that... Something is wrong? (I will read over the drafting process and let you know).
Also, since I'm the first person you didn't assign a role to Qatol, any suggestions? xD
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Okay, so from my number I can deduce:
Scenario #1:
BM picked [1][1]
L is not [2][1], he probably picked [1][1] (I remember him saying that in the beginning when he was like omg I want inventor). That means him and BM are both [1]s, which means Foolishness picked [1] as well and EVERYONE ON THE LIST HAS A DUPLICATE.
That seems rather unlikely if you ask me...but so far no numbers have been out of order.
Scenario #2:
At most 3 people have unique numbers.
Since I picked [1], and I'm not first, then clearly I am not unique. Therefore everyone before me are the only people that can be unique. So there are at most 3 people who are unique. Whatever that means...
That's pretty cool, because if you are mafia it is probably a bad idea to lie about your numbers because it might end up being no one else has that number, or you end up in a spot where you can't possibly be with that number, etc etc. If there is a dispute between 2 people (one of them must be lying due to list ordering) then a simple cop check will fix up the mafia the next day.
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I arbitrarily picked [4][14].
Gonna need to sleep on a real post.
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On May 01 2010 18:02 Korynne wrote:
Okay, so from my number I can deduce:
Scenario #1:
BM picked [1][1]
L is not [2][1], he probably picked [1][1] (I remember him saying that in the beginning when he was like omg I want inventor). That means him and BM are both [1]s, which means Foolishness picked [1] as well and EVERYONE ON THE LIST HAS A DUPLICATE.
That seems rather unlikely if you ask me...but so far no numbers have been out of order.
Scenario #2:
At most 3 people have unique numbers.
Since I picked [1], and I'm not first, then clearly I am not unique. Therefore everyone before me are the only people that can be unique. So there are at most 3 people who are unique. Whatever that means...
That's pretty cool, because if you are mafia it is probably a bad idea to lie about your numbers because it might end up being no one else has that number, or you end up in a spot where you can't possibly be with that number, etc etc. If there is a dispute between 2 people (one of them must be lying due to list ordering) then a simple cop check will fix up the mafia the next day.
Correct. If you picked [1] [anything] only the people above you could have unique numbers. Now all we need to do is have Bill Murray confirm his numbers. If he really did pick [1] [1], then everyone has a duplicate number. This means that we can group people by their number choices. If you find a mafia in your number choice group, we can treat the other members of that group as innocent or SK. That should give us a nice base to work with.
Moral of the story is: people, keep claiming your numbers. If you don't you're on the short list to be lynched.
As for your role, I would recommend something that takes KP out of the hands of the mafia. Personally, I would go with Jack, Vengeful Player, or Day Vigilante. However, you had need to be transparent with the use of your role. Those are very powerful roles, and the town is better off not having them at all than having them misused.
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i bid like somethin crazy or some shit thinking "hey, i don't want to double-up as town"
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Should I tell you guys my choice?
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Uh Bill what's with not telling us? Isn't that scummy?
Unless you clear your sent mail very often shouldn't your PM to Ace still be there?
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my number was high, people must have doubled up a lot
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big deal if i was scummy it would be obvious im not scummy
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worry about what i pick, not what number i picked
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I don't get why this is such a big deal. =(
I'm worried about this plan Qatol. If Bill/L/Foolishness are mafia and just skip their designated thing or worse, pick someone else's then we're kinda screwed no?
Like, if Bill picks compulsive vigilante, and then his mafia buddy later along the road picks up the inventor. We don't know who it is, and L can't get compulsive vigilante so we lose the double lynch...
Bill acting funny has got me thinking and worried about this whole plan in general.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I picked [10][1], presumably scamp also bid [10][something] given that ace moved us around together, but that's not necessarily the case. He might have bid [12][something]
I want Bill Murray to take Inventor and L's replacement to take Compulsive Vigilante. Foolishness will take Roleblocker.
Seems to me that the Jack of all Trades needs to be monitored. It's just as powerful as Compulsive Vigiliante, if not more so. Since Korynne is on board, she could take that role.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 01 2010 19:26 Korynne wrote:
I don't get why this is such a big deal. =(
I'm worried about this plan Qatol. If Bill/L/Foolishness are mafia and just skip their designated thing or worse, pick someone else's then we're kinda screwed no?
Like, if Bill picks compulsive vigilante, and then his mafia buddy later along the road picks up the inventor. We don't know who it is, and L can't get compulsive vigilante so we lose the double lynch...
Bill acting funny has got me thinking and worried about this whole plan in general.
But at least then we get to lynch Bill. One down, three to go.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Presumably Bill would not take inventor so that his mafia friend further down the list could. That way they could get several power roles.
If we know the inventor role is around and being used for anti-town purposes, we can get the other people on the top of the list to roleclaim and try to catch someone in a lie. Possibly catch another mafia.
It seems like there is some risk here of putting additional power roles in mafia hands, but with the trade off that those mafia will be easier to find and lynch.
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if you think im mafia youre fucking crazy, as mafia i keep my mouth shut
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