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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 10:10 Korynne wrote:
You make a huge post on why you think I'm definitely mafia and then say, well... maybe citizen can be mafia. >_>
I mean sure mafia could pick 1,5 but that's pretty lame since it pushes you farther down the line (haha I have no idea why any of the rest of us picked non-1s for the first digit xD, maybe I would've gotten compvig if I picked 1,1 xD). All mafia picked [1] so it seems reasonable for you to be [1][1].
You keep stating compvig is so easy to keep track of but then refuse to let me have it...
It just all seems so inconsistent Foolishness... I think I have to agree with citi.zen, you're done.
I just don't know anymore. You brought up points against citizen. I'm just trying to consider everything here. You make more sense to be mafia than citizen, but after pouring out reason after reason why I'm innocent I'm pretty much demoralized over here. I'm still keeping my vote on you.
I still don't see what the second number has to do with this. Given that L and BM both claimed to pick 1,1 ahead of time, I think it makes sense to pick 1,5, since it will shoot you ahead if multiple people took 1,1.
I said compvig was easy to keep track of after the roles went out, not before. I only half expected it to get it since BM said he didn't want Inventor.
I'm just trying to figure everything out. One of you is mafia, and based on just today's posts, citizen looks much more guilty than you.
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 10:30 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 10:22 Foolishness wrote:On May 11 2010 10:10 Korynne wrote:
You make a huge post on why you think I'm definitely mafia and then say, well... maybe citizen can be mafia. >_>
I mean sure mafia could pick 1,5 but that's pretty lame since it pushes you farther down the line (haha I have no idea why any of the rest of us picked non-1s for the first digit xD, maybe I would've gotten compvig if I picked 1,1 xD). All mafia picked [1] so it seems reasonable for you to be [1][1].
You keep stating compvig is so easy to keep track of but then refuse to let me have it...
It just all seems so inconsistent Foolishness... I think I have to agree with citi.zen, you're done. I just don't know anymore. You brought up points against citizen. I'm just trying to consider everything here. You make more sense to be mafia than citizen, but after pouring out reason after reason why I'm innocent I'm pretty much demoralized over here. I'm still keeping my vote on you. I still don't see what the second number has to do with this. Given that L and BM both claimed to pick 1,1 ahead of time, I think it makes sense to pick 1,5, since it will shoot you ahead if multiple people took 1,1. I said compvig was easy to keep track of after the roles went out, not before. I only half expected it to get it since BM said he didn't want Inventor. I'm just trying to figure everything out. One of you is mafia, and based on just today's posts, citizen looks much more guilty than you. Nice try, but 1/1 makes perfect sense for one of the reds: it's a portfolio approach, where some people will be more aggressive and others less so. You don't care which as long as in the end you get SOME high picks. What does not make sense if for me and Zona to pick 12 as the first number. You both know this. Look, I can't blame you for trying Foolishness. You might as well. But I honestly don't see how this desperate flopping can help. A+ for effort though.
I don't see how it's much different from picking 1,1. Either way you're going to be up high. And you and Zona both picking 12 is very unlikely, that's why I originally said you were not mafia. I'm leaving my vote on Korynne.
Although imagining what your face is going to be like when I turn up innocent makes me smile.
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 10:35 Korynne wrote:
Actually no, if people pick [1][1], [1][1], [1][5] they all go to the back of the line. And the [1][5] is behind the [1][1]s. I feel like you keep bringing up points that are wrong in hopes that I don't know they are wrong...
Well this is all very frustrating... if citi.zen turns out mafia I will be very pissed. >_>
But like Foolishness first you accuse me like crazy, and then now it's like when you realize it doesn't work to convince citi.zen, you're going to attack me instead. And you're playing the like, frustrated townie role... =\
Actually you have it wrong, I asked Ace on the first or second page go look. In that scenario, the 1,5 goes first, then the 1,1's after.
How would me bringing up points that are wrong possibly help me here? I guess I am in a desperate situation here, but I'm not one to fabricate information in the hopes of tricking someone.
Yeah, I feel for you too. I'm only desperate because I feel like I've proven my innocence, but I clearly haven't, and I don't know what else I can say. I'm still saying you are mafia because the numbers thing doesn't make sense with citizen. But I'll give you that your attitude is much more towny than citizens.
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 10:35 Korynne wrote:
Actually no, if people pick [1][1], [1][1], [1][5] they all go to the back of the line. And the [1][5] is behind the [1][1]s. I feel like you keep bringing up points that are wrong in hopes that I don't know they are wrong...
Well this is all very frustrating... if citi.zen turns out mafia I will be very pissed. >_>
But like Foolishness first you accuse me like crazy, and then now it's like when you realize it doesn't work to convince citi.zen, you're going to attack me instead. And you're playing the like, frustrated townie role... =\ Rigt: 1/5 does not make sense. The reds knew this and all picked x/1s. Both Zona and Foolishness are pretty awesome at this game. In fact, were it not for Zona's mod-kill, they would have most likely won.
On April 24 2010 07:21 Ace wrote:
oh you mean like:
[3][4]
[3][4]
[3][7]
?
In this case the players that picked [3][4] end up picking after the player that picked [3][7].
And you guys think I don't know what I'm talking about...
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 10:50 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 10:43 Foolishness wrote:On May 11 2010 10:35 Korynne wrote:
Actually no, if people pick [1][1], [1][1], [1][5] they all go to the back of the line. And the [1][5] is behind the [1][1]s. I feel like you keep bringing up points that are wrong in hopes that I don't know they are wrong...
Well this is all very frustrating... if citi.zen turns out mafia I will be very pissed. >_>
But like Foolishness first you accuse me like crazy, and then now it's like when you realize it doesn't work to convince citi.zen, you're going to attack me instead. And you're playing the like, frustrated townie role... =\ Actually you have it wrong, I asked Ace on the first or second page go look. In that scenario, the 1,5 goes first, then the 1,1's after. How would me bringing up points that are wrong possibly help me here? I guess I am in a desperate situation here, but I'm not one to fabricate information in the hopes of tricking someone. Yeah, I feel for you too. I'm only desperate because I feel like I've proven my innocence, but I clearly haven't, and I don't know what else I can say. I'm still saying you are mafia because the numbers thing doesn't make sense with citizen. But I'll give you that your attitude is much more towny than citizens. Nice ambivalent statement to saw more doubt about me in Korynne's mind about me: I don't think he's red, but he's acting pretty red! Duh. Look, it's obvious Foolishness would vote for either me or Korynne if one of us switched. He doesn't care which one, he just needs one of us to budge. I can tell you I will not. You should have killed me last night.
I already told you if I was mafia I would have killed Korynne last night. And no I'm not going to change my vote, I'm just considering all options. Even if Korynne changes I will not, I'm keeping my vote on who I think is mafia. If you all think I'm still mafia after my defense, I can respect that. I already said I'm not changing my vote to citizen unless Korynne can convince me.
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Foolishness
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While we're on the topic, have you made a convincing argument against anyone so far? You said my attitude is different from the beginning of the game, and yes it is because I wasn't about to die at the beginning of the game. Care to explain anything about what that means or why it's important? As far as it goes you've only backed up arguments already said and not contributed anything of your own. This is why I said you were acting red. Just because you're acting red doesn't mean you're red. You both think I'm clearly red, and when I turn up innocent are you going to say "Well I didn't think Korynne was red but I guess she was acting red like Foolishness said"?
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Foolishness
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Well that answers my question
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:
GJ to Foolishness for playing perfect until the last night (why shoot Falcynn v_v?). DathTheinan also played decently for the position he was put in.
haha that actually means a lot coming from you. The town voted to shoot Falcynn, so if Falcynn didn't turn up dead I'd obviously be mafia.
On May 11 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:
DathTheinan also played decently for the position he was put in.
This. I hope to see you in future games.
On May 11 2010 12:33 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 12:27 Korynne wrote:
Though I wonder Ace, if town complies to pick the roles assigned to them (I mean everyone does this), is there a way to autowin? This is a surefire town loss. Town should NEVER reveal what they are picking. You can't tie alignments to picks, and you out all your power roles. SK wants to pop all investigation roles so on Nights 1 and 2 you'll see lots of dead Investigation roles.
Couldn't agree more. That's why I tried to emphasize this during the game.
On May 11 2010 12:45 Ace wrote:
Yea Foolishness I have a question...why didn't you vote for citizen? Soon as he voted for you and Korynne DIDN'T vote but posted you should have tried to sympathize. She said "this obviously makes me innocent because I could hammer and end the game now". If you took that point seriously and voted on citizen you might have had a shot.
I honestly thought that convincing citizen to kill Korynne was my only way to go. Given that I had been pressing to kill Korynne for half the game, I didn't think I could get away with trying to convince her to kill citizen. Also, the number argument worked too well to prove his innocence. With Korynne alive that argument meant nothing since we both picked 1 as our first number.
As a whole I figured I was dead no matter what, I thought this was my best chance.
As I mentioned in the actual game, I spent a great deal of time deciding between who to kill at night. citizen hadn't claimed a role so I was paranoid he might be a veteran/bulletproof, so I decided against hitting him. Even if I had hit him, Qatol said he had a nice analysis of me, and I figure I'd have a better shot with citizen who wasn't about to post some big analysis of me.
On May 11 2010 13:00 flamewheel91 wrote:No worries, I use cute to describe everybody (see my signature). I'm not being sexist here 
I can vouch for that. I have PM's to prove it too.
Overall I thought we as the mafia had a nice advantage at the start. When it was revealed that we all got the roles we wanted, I suspected that many people did not have roles and were green. I had suspected Hobbes was methman based on JeeJee's talk about it; Zona thought he was Tracker, good thing we didn't hit him 
On the other side, I was secretly hoping that nearly everyone would have gotten a role, which would have been a chaotic hell and amazingly hilarious at the same time. I thought the Mason role was interesting as Ace mentioned, however I think a lot of the "good" that can come out of the Mason depends on who is using it. I would have definitely liked to be Mason for a game. I was very surprised that no rolecheck roles were taken, including the Jack.
I thought that Radfield was the SK after the hit didn't go through and he said he was saved by a medic (as I pointed out in the thread). Even if he wasn't, he was playing incredibly pro town and was the only confirmed innocent at that point, which is why we had Darth kill him.
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 13:49 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 13:46 Ace wrote:
Masons are important in all setups. The ability to talk at night lets you get a read on players away from the thread and probe with no interference allowing you to form circles. I guess it depends on the Mason's own ability to get information but a good Mason is dangerous if Town aligned. I didn't give the town the other version of Mason's that get to choose 1 player to Mason to permanently during the game and getting their alignment because I thought that would be too broken. I seriously considered taking this role before I decided to control the copycat role. Private communication is VERY strong/important in these kinds of games. Oh and thanks Ace and Versatile for hosting this game.
I would have considered taking it if I wasn't so high on the draft list as well.
And yes, thanks for hosting Ace and Versatile!
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Foolishness
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And gosh dang this is the first time I have ever been lynched in a TL mafia game >.<
I'll also say that playing red is incredibly stressful when you've been mafia 4 of the past 5 games @.@
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 13:47 Qatol wrote:
Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well.
I recall you saying about a month ago that you were planning on hosting a TL mafia game after you were done with finals. Surely Qatol is not a man to go back on his word eh? 
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Foolishness
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On May 11 2010 14:01 Ace wrote:
@Foolishness: I had this weird argument in my head that town could have been screwed by. Something about "why isn't Foolisness dead yet if he's an innocent CV?" Which means one of the Scum isn't scared to get shot by accident, which means there's a Scum Bulletproof which means Falcynn/Korynne/Qatol/Citizen is lying about having no role.
That's interesting. I was planning to play the "somebody is lying about their role" card if I was alive in the late game, but the opportunity never came up. I tried to set up for it by hinting that I may not be the CompVig and stuff early on, hoping for an opportunity where I could claim to be a Jack or a cop or something. Never saw a chance to use it though (or at least a chance where the town wouldn't just kill me first).
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Foolishness
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On May 12 2010 01:28 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 13:56 Foolishness wrote:
And gosh dang this is the first time I have ever been lynched in a TL mafia game >.<
I'll also say that playing red is incredibly stressful when you've been mafia 4 of the past 5 games @.@ Yeah Foolishness needs more town! Except for you get killed night 1 in XXII 
That's okay cause I was a hatter, and I found a mafia
On May 11 2010 19:28 Radfield wrote:Great game everyone, the last few days/nights were really fun to watch. Must say I was rooting for town though My plan this game was to focus hard on hunting mafia. I really felt the only way I could lose was if the mafia beat me to it, so if I could eliminate the mafia I could cruise to victory. And if the mafia wasted a few shots on me, that just gives me more time to find them. If I got down to the last 5 or 6 people I felt I could win. There were better arguments for other players as SK, and eventually I could power the Floridian vote to win. As far as the medic claim, I really just had other things on my mind, and didn't really think it through. Qatol had said for whoever got hit to claim, so I claimed and went on with my post(I think I made 3 big posts at that time). And Foolishness, you really jumped on my radar with all of your doubting I got medic saved. I couldn't figure out why you would doubt so strongly my claim of getting saved. You happened to be right that I was the SK, but for all the wrong reasons. Thanks for hosting Ace, this was a great set-up. Hopefully you'll host another one of these soon. Good game to everyone
I explained my reasoning in the thread, I thought it incredibly odd that you would claimed to be saved by a medic when you would have no idea there was one. Which meant you really wanted the town to think you were innocent, and you had something to hide. It only followed logically that you were the SK, since I knew you weren't mafia =P
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Foolishness
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On May 12 2010 08:09 Ace wrote:
He did get saved by a medic though ^_^
Doh
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