EPTIt is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness.
Pick Your Power Mafia! - Page 3
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
I think it would be better to lynch me to confirm rather than wasting detective checks and having to claim DT to get them. I said stop trying to lynch me because you think I'm mafia because it's pretty clear that it would be retarded for me to be mafia after all that's happened. If you actually have a legitimate reason why you think I'm mafia (I cannot see how) then I guess sure, lynch me/compvig me. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
We now have 12 people left, 3 mafia. Now that BM is gone I'm concerned that no one will stand up to Qatol in case he is mafia. But other than that I think town is better off without the distraction of what to invent and whether BM is pro town. I know this is a very fluffy post but like I said not much I have to say... Just letting you know I'm still around. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
| ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
But basically this is how my train of thought went: Oh hey cool Qatol posted this big elaborate plan, sounds like fun, I should try and see if I can contribute anything... hmm, copycat stuff. Okay, according to Qatol's plan I pick CompVig, so instead of picking JoaT like my original plan I pick CompVig. Get roles back, I am vanilla townie. =( Somewhat bleh at this point. So basically I figured either BM or Foolishness was mafia and wanted to get that sorted out, but I do know that if they're not then they're definitely power roles so I suggested lynching me to confirm what I said (especially since first day lynch isn't all that great at hitting mafia anyway) and then deal with them. Or to do some role checks and get it figured out. I said role check me because I was supposed to take the role of CompVig so checking me confirms that I am indeed vanilla. Alignment check on BM or Foolishness would be for determining who was not on town's side because a role check on them would pretty much end up with inventor/compvig. At this point I'm like awww crap, Qatol's plan's actually pretty good for mafia because they know which roles they can snipe. This would've only worked out better if we determined more roles it would seem. =\ Also not really sure why Foolishness would snipe my role. =( So really at this point I'm just a bit mafia'd out, played 2 games before this one but I decided to stay in because L was needing a replacement and I didn't want to make the game even smaller. Plus the not getting a role when I was 3rd in the draft was =(. If you look at my previous 2 games I was townie in one and mafia in another and they pretty much played out the same. I just feel like larger games don't really work for me because I have a hard time getting a feel for everyone. I've still been actively reading everything but I don't feel like there was much to say other than if I was to randomly pick (or pick someone somewhat suspicious) a person and analyze them. If Foolishness is not mafia and took my role and knew that I was likely going to pick it then I feel like he might be the Serial Killer. Since having 2 kill power would be quite awesome, not to mention that he could just go along with whoever town decides to lynch because it doesn't matter who dies as long as someone does. Qatol's plan seemed to be quite mafia favouring after I thought about it (considering people's experiences with failed ability to gain roles they were assigned, or just me and Qatol I guess). In terms of the lynch and compvig hits, like I said I didn't feel like participating much but I don't really want to hold back town through inactivity so I just went along with whatever. I read through people's reasoning on why sidesprang could be the mafia copycat and it seemed reasonable, I didn't go and verify it myself by checking the list and whatnot... With johnnyspazz he didn't feel scummy but I really wasn't going to try and convince everyone to pick a different compvig target (too much effort, having to convince people why johnnyspazz isn't mafia, then finding another better target, having to stay up and convince people...) and I just didn't "feel" like johnny was mafia so like yeah, too much effort just going along the flow. I'll try to be more active but really my heart's not in the game much... I mean you've seen that my previous 2 games were active whether I was mafia or townie. So yeah, I very much apologize to town if they decided to lynch me due to my failure at contributing, since I know how much it sucks when people are inactive and not doing much (*cough*RoL*cough* xP) and it's even worse when you cost town a townie lynch for it. TL,DR: Not really into the game, will try harder to participate. Understandable if you lynch me and I apologize ahead of time for it. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Korynne: I completely understand what you're saying about possibly being burnt out etc. However, I think you're a very clever player. You played your first game as a very active townie, you played your second game as a very active mafia, and being very convincing at that. I'm inclined to think that if you got mafia again in this game, you might play it exactly the way you are. Fake being tired of Mafia as an excuse to post less. Unfortunately for all of us, there's little you can do at this point to remove suspicion from yourself. Anyways, I'm genuinely hoping you're mafia, and that you're burnt out routine is an act, because you seem like a good player to have around. Radfield, my inactivity is neither indicating of me being mafia or town. You know I can play a good mafia game with activity. =P Unfortunately I am not mafia (but hey, I would say that in either case so I guess that's something stupid to say), but I will be around, more in smaller games and definitely in the process of creating a very custom game which I intend to host. So I will be around, but probably not anymore in games larger than 10 or 15. =P I'm just burnt out at the moment, not a general I won't play mafia again type situation. xD Just maybe sitting out one or two to relax for a bit and focus on creating my own game. Oh hey, I probably sound like Bill Murray in his first mafia (godfather) game. =D In any case, like I said, I will try to be more active. On lunch break right now, will post analysis on the top 3 or 4 suspects of the day when I get home. (Actually I have no idea how good my analysis is because as townie in the first game I had no idea whether it was right, though I did have a suspicion that Incognito was dragging town around xD, second game I was mafia so all my analysis does not apply anyway, and I realized it's quite easy for townies to do stupid shit that makes them look like mafia. =\) | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Falcynn: Offers himself up for lynching (context: he proposed a plan to determine sanity of cops by lynching a townie) Says [someone]s logic is pretty sound, so going with the sidesprang lynch, notes that using dayvig would probably be a bad idea unless we definitely have 3 targets (I don't know the context here, but if Falcynn was 3rd on the chopping block and he was mafia with sidesprang then that would look suspicious, otherwise seems reasonable to ask people to make sure we have 3 targets before requesting dayvig hit) Agrees with OpZ that he has a bad feeling about Radfield, but Radfield is far down the list and what nots... Says: Holy shit, yay! ^_^ after sidesprang's lynch. Someone else can check this against his previous games to determine if this is a bit too happy/enthusiastic for his usual play. Advocates more protection/detection from inventor than KP. Says that he agrees with lynching BM even though that could make him look scummy if BM keeps making random crap. Conclusion: Plays the role of the heroic sacrificial townie. Goes with the sidesprang lynch by agreeing with town. FoS on Radfield and BM. Verdict: Slightly suspicious, but will have to gauge against other people to make a final analysis. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Thinks Zona is town, and less sure but thinks Qatol is town too. Thinks Foolishness and Korynne are shifty. In defence of what citi.zen says about: He is clearly thinking about the roles a lot, yet makes repeated mistakes in his proposed "pro-town" plans. This could be a new player thing, or someone who is trying to seem active but not paying enough attention to "the other side's view". If you read my last two games I always try to think about the other side. I think I got carried away with like omg qatol has an awesome plan let's add to it. This game clearly has more "vets" (Qatol seems like one of them) than the other games I've played so purposely slipping up here seems like a bad idea on my part. Stuff about BM's invention and town circles etc etc Proposes an alignment and not role detective kit. Replies to Radfield asking him if he will lynch sidesprang with yes, information is better than no information. Proposes saving the dayvig kill. Apparently [continues] "to like Korynne as a red" xD 4 vanilla claimants and one must be lying if JeeJee is telling the truth (sidesprang ended up being the guy lying here) Still voting for hitting Korynne... xD Again, no dayvig plz. Points out johnnyspazz missed him in the voted for sidesprang count. Buncha stuff about invention stuffs... Argues with Qatol about invention stuffs... Likes JeeJee's play. Basically back and forth with Qatol, accusing Korynne in between. xD Conclusion: Likes to accuse me a lot, but I can see how I've been playing not so well this game. xD Doesn't seem to give /too/ much information on why I should be lynched, just slightly prefered and FoS on me and Foolishness from the start. Verdict: Slightly suspicious. I don't like the focus on inventions and quibbling with Qatol, seems like fake activity almost. Also Darth that is poor reasoning. I don't know his style. But his defense of sidesprang has just made me suspicious. I think it's definitely worth considering, and I think he might be mafia - that or, based on his animosity toward Korynne, Korynne is mafia. What does everyone think? Animosity towards another player when you are town does not indicate whether someone is mafia. I agree I've played rather poorly this game in terms of being lazy and not thinking enough about the plan but that doesn't make me mafia if citi.zen is town. Likewise if you lynch me and I'm town, that doesn't automatically make citi.zen mafia. If one of us flips red, you can consider the other more green/be suspicious by reverse psychology since mafia would know whether the other person was green. But two people pointing fingers at each other doesn't really mean much if the first one killed ends up green. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Most notably claims he has a fun, fun role (Which JeeJee somewhat confirmed) Agrees that inventor and compvig should be monitored by town Sad about noone voting day 1, votes for johnnyspazz due to different play than previous game Says that anyone taking copycat and town aligned would be stupid and no help, so agrees with lynching sidesprang Makes a shifty compvig+weakdoctor plan that didn't work Is now away catching up on sleep. Conclusion: Really inactive, basically bandwagony, nothing exciting really. He didn't post much in the other game he was townie either. Verdict: Not very suspicious. Would like it if Hobbes contributed more though. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Oh shit you're new, I thought you were totally vet and killed you the first night in BM's game. xD Says Korynne could take JoaT since that seems like an important role. Discusses trade-off between mafia stealing roles and making themselves easier to detect Suggests bulletproof vests for inventions Important to keep tabs on compvig and inventor Questions Korynne's thing about role checking her (yeah yeah, I'm dumb leave me alone Dx) Reminds people to ##compvig Proposes to uber protect BM/Foolishness and check them Invention talk about bulletproof vests... Talking with Bill... same old like, everyone disagreeing with BM running off on his own type thing xD Sidesprang as suspect after night. Doesn't think Qatol is mafia at this point. Thinks we should use dayvig on sidesprang. Wants JeeJee to out his role to see if Hobbes or JeeJee is lying. Lynch JeeJee if sidesprang flops green. Bunch of other stuff about what happens if sidesprang flops green... Doesn't think Korynne is mafia, based on stuff with Foolishness OpZ apparently was not reading well and Radfield was like wtf man you read? Points out that sidesprang would be awfully anti-town if he took copycat and was not mafia Used the word deserves, peeps are like omg Radfield blah blah, Radfield is like my bad deserves is the wrong way to put it Insistent on sidesprang, dont know what to go on after that Points out Hobbes' broken plan. Question about Amnesia getting modkilled. Points out that Foolishness should claim CV/notCV (thank you, at least someone sees it xD) Points out JeeJee should decide whether to out the role he tried to get FoS on Scamp, not johnnyspazz but still voting compvig spazz Asks BM to prove he's pro town The whole I've been shot and protected by medic issue Again I don't see why if I turn out red citizen is cleared...why do people keep saying that. Tells SK that SK needs to play on town side atm. Conclusion: Pretty chill, points out quite a few things, etc etc. Verdict: Unlikely mafia. Started the sidesprang thing, seems pretty pro-town. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On May 07 2010 07:43 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I havent been just sitting around. I have not had the time whatsoever to be more active on the thread than I have been. I'm not purposely not posting, I haven't been home in front of a computer with time to think about the game very often at all. Won't be around later tonight to vote, so, as I believe her to be the most suspicious currently, ##Vote Korynne Uhh wut. I didn't accuse you of lurking or whatever. I just said would like you to be more active, but not saying that makes you scummy... I said you went to sleep, I didn't even say like a (or so he says) at the end... If you were mafia (even if you were legitimately busy) this seems like a good way to just be like, well here's my vote for her, since I won't be around you can't gain additional information on me etc. >_> | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On May 07 2010 07:41 Foolishness wrote: Not going to lie, your analyses' seemed a bit half-assed. I assume that this is your way of responding to my post about you without actually addressing the key issues? ##Vote: Korynne There wasn't much information on Hobbes... you go do one on Hobbes and tell me what insightful information you find. >_> Oh right, let's quote the smaller of the analyses I do... I was not responding to your post, I was responding to Radfield being like you inactive and who you think is mafia. And me being like k imma post analysis later. Korynne is most suspicious to me. She was an active part of the community in the beginning, and has since dropped out due to boredom (conveniently right as we killed a mafia too...). That's a pretty standard mafia move, and I think you already mentioned it: being active in the beginning to gain trust then hiding it out. The biggest reason I'm suspicious of her is because of her "fine just kill me if you don't believe me" attitude, and she has mentioned something along these lines in multiple posts, not just once. I see this defense all the time in real life mafia and it's usually the sign of a mafia member "giving up" so to say. The fact that she admitted to being bored and not wanting to contribute doesn't help either. And as far as I can see, Hobbes has contributed as much as Amnesia has this game. Having a "fun fun role" as he called it does not justify him sitting around. I'm assuming this is the post you want me to reply to (if not redirect me to the post you want me to reply to). "pretty standard mafia move"s are pretty terrible moves for mafia to make since that would make them seem mafia no? My last game I was active the whole way through. First game I kinda dropped off at the end as well cuz it was like blargh...we don't really have anything to go on. I felt the same here, it was like omg planz cool cool and then like, oh shit, plans didn't work out so well... and not really sure where to proceed. It's not so much a fine just kill me attitude as like a, well you can kill me if you need to, to prove that BM/Foolishness is mafia when it comes to that. Because I feel like we don't have a whole lot of checks to throw around so if there was a situation where if I was telling the truth then we are pretty sure about who of them is mafia, then killing me (vanilla townie) then them (power role mafia) seems like a good idea since it's like, 1 for 1, and I'm vanilla and killing me first would be like making sure me as a mafia doesn't lead you to killing a town aligned power role. Also I'm not so much bored as burnt out, and realizing I don't really enjoy larger mafia games. Also, there's few enough of us that catching someone being active in the beginning then being inactive would be pretty sure to happen, so again, would be bad move on my part if I was mafia. If I was mafia, I'd say I would've "deproved" from my last game. xD Anyway if I do get lynched I apologize to town for them wasting a lynch, and maintain that I tried to get the role of CompVig and failed so Foolishness must be CompVig. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Feels like at least one of you three is like omg yay other people are suspecting a townie gogogo bandwagon! | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Also, he basically jumps on the idea of lynching me for a nonsensical reason. (Yes, he suspected me before probably but he votes for me after he's like half-ass analysis you're not responding to my question lynch, even though earlier #1 I've stated I was going to analyse people later when I got home, #2 Radfield asked me to analyze people, #3 given that I started on the top of the list and went down it wasn't likely I was addressing what he said unless I actually said, oh btw, this also pertains to Foolishness' post) I haven't confirmed what Radfield said but it seems more reasonable than lynching me. Like I said, when I flip town, it doesn't really say Foolishness is mafia or not because really I'm just saying he's compvig which he hasn't confirmed or denied. Likewise, if citi.zen is town there's no way he knows whether I'm mafia so it's not like him accusing me a lot clears him or pegs him as mafia. I'd hit Hobbes or Foolishness if I flop town though. Giving them plenty of time to defend and respond of course. But it seems like this sudden omg vote Korynne is a bit weird. (citi.zen's always been like let's vote Korynne so meh) | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
##Vote: DarThienAn## Citi.zen is on my slightly suspicious radar, I definitely want to figure out what is going on with Foolishness first before deciding on whether to vote for citizen. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Didn't vote for sidesprang or make any mention of it. Prefered killing spazz to JeeJee. Seems reasonably scummy to vote for. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
This last paragraph you wrote is exactly what I was talking about. You shouldn't want to die for the benefit of the town. All these guys around here say "well this person being clean means this guy's mafia" or "he turned up red, obviously this guy's mafia as well" is useless thinking, and distracts from actually finding mafia. I've yet to play a game where we lynched someone, then made the conclusion "okay this guy's mafia" and lynched him the following day. It doesn't happen. What do you mean you shouldn't want to die for the benefit of town? If killing me CLEARLY benefits town even though I'm townie I see no reason why this is invalid. Like I said, given that Foolishness has a good role and I claimed vanilla, it is clearly less risky for town to lynch me before him. Lynch me first: best case, we get vanilla mafia, worst case, we lose vanilla townie before getting power role mafia. Lynch Foolishness first: best case, we get power mafia, worst case, we lose power townie before killing vanilla mafia. If I was town I wouldn't want to risk killing a powerful townie based on the words of another townie especially if they claim vanilla. All you've done is insisted that compvig is not something we have to worry about (even though I stated that it could be an issue, though at least me picking it means it couldn't have slipped to another mafia like BM's role could have). You say we have far worse concerns than compvig being mafia...and what would those be? Considering that compvig being mafia doubles mafia's kp... I mean you're not even actually coming out and claiming compvig after I mention it in my posts like 500 times so like, what, you're going to try and push for my lynch when you don't follow town's orders to kill a mafia? | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Most of your posts are like 5min posts, I even went through them again afterwards to make sure. They're mostly like 1-5 lines long and are like conversational rather than analysis. I'm taking my information from zbot so it's not updated with your entire afternoon writing stuff, but I mean given that everyone is accusing you today it would be rather silly to sit back and read and not post long defenses. Though my bad on the explanation on not voting sidesprang, it was in the johnnyspazz long pots so I skimmed and didn't catch it. | ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
| ||
|
Korynne
Canada990 Posts
I didn't say I'm not suspicious looking, everyone seems to be band-wagoning on me anyway. I don't see why someone inactive can't call someone else out. If someone accuses me of being scummy I can't call them scummy in return? If you think I'm suspicious vote for me, okay. But to say I can't call you out against stuff that seems a bit of a stretch. I see we're all bandwagoning on this I won't be here tonight so I'll vote for Korynne thing... | ||
| ||
