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On April 21 2010 04:35 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 04:33 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:22 RaGe wrote:On April 21 2010 04:15 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:08 RaGe wrote:On April 21 2010 03:01 Caller wrote:
Rage, congratulations, you just confirmed my suspicions of you as mafia.
Consider the facts:
every single piece of evidence I tossed at RaGe was flimsy and easily torn apart by simple, reasonable, logic. In fact look at my post history:
Let's say RaGe is pro-town. Thus he would consider his ideas to be pro-town as well. Thus, anybody that goes against his ideas would be considered anti-town and thus a lynch candidate, or they're a stupid townie. Despite reality and statistics, people generally consider me a good player, so they automatically remove me from the idea of "stupid townie" even though that is usually my role.
Thus the only apparent choice is that I'm anti-town and should therefore be lynched. This is especially because if RaGe truly was pro-town, and I not only go against him but accuse him with basically nonsense and nulltells, that this means that clearly I am mafia and he should advocate for my lynch.
But we already know that several people consider me to be pro-town despite my complete lack of intelligible contributions. Going after me may be risky, especially because it draws attention to yourself. Now what would a townie think?
a) who cares if I die, I have no role anyways, might as well go after Caller b/c he might be mafia godfather or smth!!!!oneoneone
or
b) this is too risky, if I die I might give too much information away, better to play it safe
Remember what I said about how town and mafia play? Most inexperienced mafia tend to play it safe when they can. For instance, notice how Ace (before he went trollcore) was willing to put (well, not himself) but a lot of effort and also draw attention to himself (by the way he still hasn't analyzed my posts, can I pay money for that?) when he accused me. I defended myself, but anyone can see that I instinctively concluded that because he disagreed with me, and I'm pro-town, and he's an intelligent player, that therefore he must be anti-town. Everybody does this when faced with an accusation that's flimsy. Everybody. Even the most experienced players tend to get pissed off when this is the case.
Yet what does RaGe do? He calmly dismantles my argument and then proceeds to pretend like I've done nothing wrong, aside from going against everything he thinks is pro-town (promoting unity or whatever horsehydro-evacuatedremainder he mentions of being pro-town. He himself has mentioned how he hasn't played in a while, so he's probably not pulling something sneaky here. And yet he proceeds to assume that I'm town, because he doesn't go after me at all and is like "you have a few reasonable points, etc." Why would anybody in their right mind do this? Look what even Jugen did when I accused him. He proceeded to burst a blood vessel in his criticism of me, even though it was pretty inarticulate and didn't really do anything to my credibility. Yet RaGe just kind of pretends it doesn't happen without any sort of retaliation. Unless you're the gosuest townie in the world, I think it's pretty easy to conclude what RaGe's true affiliation is.
Please, regardless of who dies tonight, check this man out. lmao are you serious ofc im serious everytime i make a wall of text im cereal well since your post implies nothing else but mind reading capabilities, who's my #1 suspect according to you.. or wait.. who am I gonna kill tonight with my mafia powarz? I'm sure that wall of text was as much of a 'game' as the one before it. I'm just not sure what this one is trying to achieve. I hope you're a detective pretending to be a dumb townie oh no, this one isn't a game. this one is fully serious. explain to me the flaws with the logic you used last time, or can you not explain them? Caller would you mind displaying and analyzing some of rage's contradictions as proof to help yourself out?
oh there's no contradictions. Just follow the logic, though. Give me another explanation for what he did.
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On April 21 2010 04:42 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 04:40 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:35 Jugan wrote:On April 21 2010 04:33 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:22 RaGe wrote:On April 21 2010 04:15 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:08 RaGe wrote:On April 21 2010 03:01 Caller wrote:
Rage, congratulations, you just confirmed my suspicions of you as mafia.
Consider the facts:
every single piece of evidence I tossed at RaGe was flimsy and easily torn apart by simple, reasonable, logic. In fact look at my post history:
Let's say RaGe is pro-town. Thus he would consider his ideas to be pro-town as well. Thus, anybody that goes against his ideas would be considered anti-town and thus a lynch candidate, or they're a stupid townie. Despite reality and statistics, people generally consider me a good player, so they automatically remove me from the idea of "stupid townie" even though that is usually my role.
Thus the only apparent choice is that I'm anti-town and should therefore be lynched. This is especially because if RaGe truly was pro-town, and I not only go against him but accuse him with basically nonsense and nulltells, that this means that clearly I am mafia and he should advocate for my lynch.
But we already know that several people consider me to be pro-town despite my complete lack of intelligible contributions. Going after me may be risky, especially because it draws attention to yourself. Now what would a townie think?
a) who cares if I die, I have no role anyways, might as well go after Caller b/c he might be mafia godfather or smth!!!!oneoneone
or
b) this is too risky, if I die I might give too much information away, better to play it safe
Remember what I said about how town and mafia play? Most inexperienced mafia tend to play it safe when they can. For instance, notice how Ace (before he went trollcore) was willing to put (well, not himself) but a lot of effort and also draw attention to himself (by the way he still hasn't analyzed my posts, can I pay money for that?) when he accused me. I defended myself, but anyone can see that I instinctively concluded that because he disagreed with me, and I'm pro-town, and he's an intelligent player, that therefore he must be anti-town. Everybody does this when faced with an accusation that's flimsy. Everybody. Even the most experienced players tend to get pissed off when this is the case.
Yet what does RaGe do? He calmly dismantles my argument and then proceeds to pretend like I've done nothing wrong, aside from going against everything he thinks is pro-town (promoting unity or whatever horsehydro-evacuatedremainder he mentions of being pro-town. He himself has mentioned how he hasn't played in a while, so he's probably not pulling something sneaky here. And yet he proceeds to assume that I'm town, because he doesn't go after me at all and is like "you have a few reasonable points, etc." Why would anybody in their right mind do this? Look what even Jugen did when I accused him. He proceeded to burst a blood vessel in his criticism of me, even though it was pretty inarticulate and didn't really do anything to my credibility. Yet RaGe just kind of pretends it doesn't happen without any sort of retaliation. Unless you're the gosuest townie in the world, I think it's pretty easy to conclude what RaGe's true affiliation is.
Please, regardless of who dies tonight, check this man out. lmao are you serious ofc im serious everytime i make a wall of text im cereal well since your post implies nothing else but mind reading capabilities, who's my #1 suspect according to you.. or wait.. who am I gonna kill tonight with my mafia powarz? I'm sure that wall of text was as much of a 'game' as the one before it. I'm just not sure what this one is trying to achieve. I hope you're a detective pretending to be a dumb townie oh no, this one isn't a game. this one is fully serious. explain to me the flaws with the logic you used last time, or can you not explain them? Caller would you mind displaying and analyzing some of rage's contradictions as proof to help yourself out? oh there's no contradictions. Just follow the logic, though. Give me another explanation for what he did. The calm response? Maybe he's a calm guy =o.
that's the problem, though. He's too calm as if he knows more than he's letting on.
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On April 21 2010 04:47 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 04:33 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:22 RaGe wrote:On April 21 2010 04:15 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 04:08 RaGe wrote:On April 21 2010 03:01 Caller wrote:
Rage, congratulations, you just confirmed my suspicions of you as mafia.
Consider the facts:
every single piece of evidence I tossed at RaGe was flimsy and easily torn apart by simple, reasonable, logic. In fact look at my post history:
Let's say RaGe is pro-town. Thus he would consider his ideas to be pro-town as well. Thus, anybody that goes against his ideas would be considered anti-town and thus a lynch candidate, or they're a stupid townie. Despite reality and statistics, people generally consider me a good player, so they automatically remove me from the idea of "stupid townie" even though that is usually my role.
Thus the only apparent choice is that I'm anti-town and should therefore be lynched. This is especially because if RaGe truly was pro-town, and I not only go against him but accuse him with basically nonsense and nulltells, that this means that clearly I am mafia and he should advocate for my lynch.
But we already know that several people consider me to be pro-town despite my complete lack of intelligible contributions. Going after me may be risky, especially because it draws attention to yourself. Now what would a townie think?
a) who cares if I die, I have no role anyways, might as well go after Caller b/c he might be mafia godfather or smth!!!!oneoneone
or
b) this is too risky, if I die I might give too much information away, better to play it safe
Remember what I said about how town and mafia play? Most inexperienced mafia tend to play it safe when they can. For instance, notice how Ace (before he went trollcore) was willing to put (well, not himself) but a lot of effort and also draw attention to himself (by the way he still hasn't analyzed my posts, can I pay money for that?) when he accused me. I defended myself, but anyone can see that I instinctively concluded that because he disagreed with me, and I'm pro-town, and he's an intelligent player, that therefore he must be anti-town. Everybody does this when faced with an accusation that's flimsy. Everybody. Even the most experienced players tend to get pissed off when this is the case.
Yet what does RaGe do? He calmly dismantles my argument and then proceeds to pretend like I've done nothing wrong, aside from going against everything he thinks is pro-town (promoting unity or whatever horsehydro-evacuatedremainder he mentions of being pro-town. He himself has mentioned how he hasn't played in a while, so he's probably not pulling something sneaky here. And yet he proceeds to assume that I'm town, because he doesn't go after me at all and is like "you have a few reasonable points, etc." Why would anybody in their right mind do this? Look what even Jugen did when I accused him. He proceeded to burst a blood vessel in his criticism of me, even though it was pretty inarticulate and didn't really do anything to my credibility. Yet RaGe just kind of pretends it doesn't happen without any sort of retaliation. Unless you're the gosuest townie in the world, I think it's pretty easy to conclude what RaGe's true affiliation is.
Please, regardless of who dies tonight, check this man out. lmao are you serious ofc im serious everytime i make a wall of text im cereal well since your post implies nothing else but mind reading capabilities, who's my #1 suspect according to you.. or wait.. who am I gonna kill tonight with my mafia powarz? I'm sure that wall of text was as much of a 'game' as the one before it. I'm just not sure what this one is trying to achieve. I hope you're a detective pretending to be a dumb townie oh no, this one isn't a game. this one is fully serious. explain to me the flaws with the logic you used last time, or can you not explain them? I can easily, like I could last time. However last time explaining how my ideas benefited town without accusing you netted me a more serious accusation. If I refute these ones, you might just use your same terrible logic to say THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECT MAFIA TO SAY again, no matter the content of my post. I'll explain myself if others really think it's necessary, but I think a lot of people know already know how I would reply (not cause I'm mafia EL OH EL, just cause it's very easy to see how stupid that post was). I guess you're just trying to prove my point about self levelling accusations.
go for it
prove it easily please
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On April 21 2010 05:04 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 04:40 Caller wrote:
by the way, meeple is also suspect for
a) voting 3rd
b) rapidly switching votes... to 3rd
c) commentating on the result of the lynch You're barking up a non-existent tree Caller... Statistics don't imply anything. And yeah my suspicions of Rage are pretty much dissolved by now... Not to say he's completely scot-free but much less so than before.
# WishyWashy voting (+10)
# Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15)
Day 2+ mafia errors
* Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor".
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On April 21 2010 05:28 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 05:14 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 05:04 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 04:40 Caller wrote:
by the way, meeple is also suspect for
a) voting 3rd
b) rapidly switching votes... to 3rd
c) commentating on the result of the lynch You're barking up a non-existent tree Caller... Statistics don't imply anything. And yeah my suspicions of Rage are pretty much dissolved by now... Not to say he's completely scot-free but much less so than before. # WishyWashy voting (+10)
# Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15) Day 2+ mafia errors
* Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor". 1) I changed votes because we needed a lynch 2) Yeah this doesn't mean anything 3) I do this frequently... look at previous games
1) this by itself isn't bad
2) oh yes it does
3) you did this twice when you were still alive
the first time you did it you were medic and gave it blatantly away when you said the grace of a lucky medic
the second time you did it you just said well that sucks and were town
this time you said "dang we lost one of our kp, etc."
a bit different this time, eh?
the other two games you played you were either dead or banned
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On April 21 2010 05:37 Falcynn wrote:
Wait...so Caller's argument against Rage is that Rage is way too calm in his defending of himself and as a result must be mafia? I realize I'm a total noob and am probably being premature with this but I'm giving a FoS (am I using this term right? just looked it up on that mafiascum wiki) to Caller, because it seems like he's purposely trying to sow discord with these "rules" he's using to spot mafia.
Then again, as stated, he is a way more experienced player than me, but I still don't see the logic in the way he makes some of his accusations.
if rage would just explain his thought process, which he claims is really easy, then he would have been done a long time ago. but instead he refuses to do so and instead claims that i'm just making stuff up.
if you actually read my analysis of his thought process and compare that with his attitude that seems like he knows more than he actually does, then you might be able to see where I'm coming from.
also, didn't you play mafia a while ago? Why are you playing the noob argument?
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On April 21 2010 05:50 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 05:39 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 05:28 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 05:14 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 05:04 meeple wrote:On April 21 2010 04:40 Caller wrote:
by the way, meeple is also suspect for
a) voting 3rd
b) rapidly switching votes... to 3rd
c) commentating on the result of the lynch You're barking up a non-existent tree Caller... Statistics don't imply anything. And yeah my suspicions of Rage are pretty much dissolved by now... Not to say he's completely scot-free but much less so than before. # WishyWashy voting (+10)
# Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15) Day 2+ mafia errors
* Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor". 1) I changed votes because we needed a lynch 2) Yeah this doesn't mean anything 3) I do this frequently... look at previous games 1) this by itself isn't bad 2) oh yes it does 3) you did this twice when you were still alive the first time you did it you were medic and gave it blatantly away when you said the grace of a lucky medic the second time you did it you just said well that sucks and were town this time you said "dang we lost one of our kp, etc." a bit different this time, eh? the other two games you played you were either dead or banned It's not any different... and when I was a medic I didn't save that guy, so it wasn't like I was gloating about saving the guy. I was just congratulating the guy who did... which is ok isn't it? This time I say we lost a potential kp because we did... you're totally over-analyzing this
a) doesn't matter, you still gave yourself away.
b) try and cover up your freudian slip more
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On April 21 2010 05:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You know, whenever caller makes a semi amount of sense that I think I might agree with him, I have to rethink that he can do such a thing. Bad caller, you should stick to your nonsensical ways so i can write you off everygame.
sowwy
On April 21 2010 05:56 Ace wrote:
Hey guys, just to let you know Caller is Mafia. You should already be lining up to vote for him next day. I bet if I RC Rage tonight and he turns up innocent, Mafia would kill me and Caller would be like omg Rage killed Ace becuz he was unto him!!!!!one!
sweet
can i pay money to rolecheck this caller person to confirm he's mafia
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On April 21 2010 06:29 KF91 wrote:
As to what's been happening with Caller and Rage, I think Caller is either overreacting or he's mafia. Personally, I believe that a person who can defend themselves without freaking out seems more green than red.
In a normal situation, a mafia (More the inexperienced mafia) that is being blamed would feel more nervous and therefore would post short, erratic posts trying to defend themselves. But what Rage has been doing is almost the complete opposite of that. His posts are composed well and I think that he defended himself correctly.
As to his "Well if x acted like this in a previous mafia game, and y is now acting similar to x, he is mafia too!" statements, I believe that it has now come up twice in his posts. Once to defend himself (About the nai incident) and not to try to accuse Rage. Although I believe posting behaviours of individual people are important to consider (How BM points out how I must be scum because of my shortened post length, or even how BM isn't completely spamming every other minute in this game), I don't think entire situations where completely different people are involved should be used as precedent case.
Also Caller, the whole 3rd/4th to bandwagon theory. I'm not going to argue about the fact that it happens 75% of the time, but currently it looks like that's all the basis you have to be suspicious of people (Most recently, of meeple). Although his commentary on the lynch should be analysed more throughly with previous posts and posts to come, I don't think your points 1 and 2 should really play into a basis of suspicion. Shouldn't posting behaviour be considered more important than the order of votes casted for a lynch?
posts like this is why i'm running my one lynch mafia 
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On April 21 2010 07:13 Ace wrote:
Caller is quoting Mafia stats from another website and doesn't even know what they mean. Lynch him he's just trying to confuse you.
The 3rd/4th person to vote on a bandwagon = scum theory stems from the fact that in a 9-12 player game scum want to influence the bandwagon (get it rolling) without being the hammer vote on a Majority lynch. Hence, since you need 7 people to lynch on a 12 player game, being 3rd/4th if you're scum doesn't look fishy.
This is a 38 player game. Lol. Caller has once again bullshited you guys. He has 0 clue what he is saying.
Oh I sent in my role check for IntotheWow. Someone bid higher or else thats what I get back tonight!
shhhh
they dont realize this yet
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On April 21 2010 07:20 Ace wrote:
Man I'm so awesome. Found scum on my first try.
almost as good as L in pinning the godfather mayor
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On April 21 2010 07:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 07:21 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 07:20 Ace wrote:
Man I'm so awesome. Found scum on my first try. almost as good as L in pinning the godfather mayor for a scum that's just waltzing around town in the open you sure are a cool dude. you should put that $$ to use and bid on someone else though.
i already asked if i could put money on myself
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On April 21 2010 07:25 Ace wrote:
oh damn I didn't see it. Ok sure why not? How much you bidding?
all-in
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On April 21 2010 07:28 Ace wrote:
Ok cool. I just sent a new PM changing my RC from Intothewow to you. Don't kill me though cuz it'd really suck to die with all that hard earned cash.
don't worry i'll tell all the mafia I know not to kill you
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On April 21 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Nice. You really are a compassionate scumlord.
i try
"work is freedom" i like to say
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On April 21 2010 07:34 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 07:33 Jugan wrote:On April 21 2010 07:27 Caller wrote:On April 21 2010 07:25 Ace wrote:
oh damn I didn't see it. Ok sure why not? How much you bidding? all-in I caller your all-in. I jugan your caller.
I Rage.
OHSHI-
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On April 21 2010 07:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 05:37 Falcynn wrote:
Wait...so Caller's argument against Rage is that Rage is way too calm in his defending of himself and as a result must be mafia? I realize I'm a total noob and am probably being premature with this but I'm giving a FoS (am I using this term right? just looked it up on that mafiascum wiki) to Caller, because it seems like he's purposely trying to sow discord with these "rules" he's using to spot mafia.
Then again, as stated, he is a way more experienced player than me, but I still don't see the logic in the way he makes some of his accusations. No, you are right that there is a lot of strange reasoning in Caller's post. I don't remember him using these sorts of arguments in past games.
do you remember me using any arguments in past games/
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obvious blue snipers are obvious
who's capable of blue sniping?
Zona
Ace
BloodyCobbler (he's REALLY good at it)
me
Incognito
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i agree
let's get that man
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On April 21 2010 12:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
It is sad that this night we would see the deaths of the likes of these. Let us salute our fallen comrades.
Radfield, the noble detective.
Foolishness, the valiant madhatter.
Hobbes, the honorable medic.
Although we wished to not be enemies to the red, and to live in harmony as we both go about our individual ways.
WHY COULDN'T WE JUST LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE?
chezinu?
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