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On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote: Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day. In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them. On March 21 2010 09:52 Ace wrote: [*]Nukes will stay in the air for 24 hours after they were fired. A player that has been nuked has until the nuclear missiles hit to retaliate. You can only launch 1 nuke/anti-nuke once per day, BUT you may launch a nuke AND retaliate to a nuclear strike if you have enough missiles left. You are not allowed to retaliate strike on a retaliation. Day ends when a player is lynched, and of course no one may nuke at night. Let's not nuke anyone just yet, shall we? While I disagree with L's general plan of nuke retaliation, killing him quickly may prove to be hurtful in the long run, ESPECIALLY if we use nukes. Going towards the ToD so fast isn't good. Your post is pretty suspicious. And having a player without nukes nuke him? That's not going to accomplish anything, since nuking anyone isn't required to end the day in the first place. | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:37 JeeJee wrote: but what's worse than shooting down the nuke? hacking into it and turning it around? lol Radioactive fallout on the neighbouring countries. Radiation poisoning, more children with birth defects, etc. Look up Chernobil. Overall, I'd say that I agree with the "Lynch the nuker" plan. What's really interesting is: what if the mafia doesn't have nukes? Then what? Also, do Caller's fake nukes count as being launched anyway? | ||
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 @Zona and ~OpZ~ voting to lynch Phrujbaz when he was most likely going to get killed due to inactivity? What exactly was going through your guys' heads? On March 24 2010 11:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: Okay...I'm going to say this again. We don't need an exact definite decision against nukes. I think our biggest worry will be people about to be lynched firing off their nukes anyway. That's the kind of stunt I would pull. No, we need an exact definite decision against nukes. Instantly lynching the person that launched them is a good one at this point of the game, since it doesn't leave room for him to retaliate to counter-nukes, should he have more than one. I know that you don't want to get lynched and there are votes for you, but flaunting your arsenal in the manner that you are, isn't going to help you. Even if you launch nuke(s) we can shoot them down, don't worry. ##Vote ~OpZ~ | ||
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On March 25 2010 05:57 Abenson wrote: My suspect list: Xelin and haster27 It is standard scum behaviour to jump on a new bandwagon. Suppose that L is mafia, and they don't want him to get lynched (obviously). When iaaan randomly voted for me due to inactivity, they were quick to jump on it and propose that I get lynched. I find this suspicious, as he has been switching votes for a while, seemingly trying to get a bandwagon going. I am not stating that L is mafia, but I was surprised at how fast Xelin and haster27 were quick to start voting for me once it seems that I have garnered some votes. People don't want to see L lynched not only because of possible family relations. For example, I think that it would be interesting to see what he can come up with after he's unbanned, hence I didn't vote for him. Now, on the other hand you just voted for him, without having much of a real reason. Inactivity doesn't apply, I can assure you that he'll be plenty of active after he comes back. He can't even defend himself, there's no reason to vote him off while he's banned, unless you're afraid he'll muck up your game later. Combine that with the relative unlikeliness of ~OpZ~ being lynched today, you are the most sensible nominee with enough votes to get lynched. ##Vote: Abenson | ||
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On March 25 2010 06:54 Elemenope wrote: Would you like to roleclaim too so we can have this discussion about you the next day? Roleclaim what? | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:31 Zona wrote: At this point I don't think we have that choice. ATTENTION TOWN MEMBERS! IF YOU ARE ABLE TO READ THIS POST AND WILL CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR VOTE, QUOTE THIS POST AND REPLY! Even tho Abenson hasn't replied, and it doesn't look like he will, the roleclaim seems legit. If by any chance he comes around tomorrow and says that he's not mason, it gives us an easy direction for a lynch. So... ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote: Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well. There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first. We don't know what RoL is going to do with kill, and depending on the target and what role he flips, the anti-nuker may never come forward. He probably won't do it regardless, even if the whole town wants him to, due to concerns for his life. Anyway, it would be very interesting to see if RoL kills Caller, and what he flips, but until then we don't have much to go on, as far as countries are considered, so we can't even pinpoint if the anti-nuker was mafia, based on a country pattern until more people die. Mexico is pro-town. Japan is ??? | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote: No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke. Yeah, but what happens if the anti-nuker is town, steps forward, and RoL nails caller, who in turn flips red? | ||
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On March 28 2010 04:28 Elemenope wrote: If he said Yes, then he didn't change rules at all if you phrased it as you said in your post at the bottom of page 54. I'm glad the missile towards me was shot down, but what the fuck at these other missiles. Admittedly, both of these are rather expected given the L was saved situation. I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved, but that's really up to the town and if they feel we need to save antis or not. Keep this in mind: NK may shoot another nuke tomorrow; he has anonymous nuking powers and has been shown to be clearly antitown since nobody has come up to state "hey, I'm NK, this is why I shot at Elemenope". As for the Amber-d3 inactivity: there's a lot of people who I haven't seen actually post real content about these last missiles, namely: d3 - posted just a few lines xelin - posted explaining his reasoning behind his day one pre-lynch actions Amber - hasn't posted nearly anything about these nukes Caller - hasn't posted anything at all I believe since RoL's missile was shot down Zona - This is a big surprise in my opinion. He hasn't posted at all since March 27 2010 05:57. 3 missiles has been shot since then, where are you Zona? Fishball - Posted somewhat early on, but recent posts have been lacking in terms of content other than showing how L is hypocritical/a douche/whatever Nikon - Last main post was during the 'should Japan come out and claim' nemY - Hasn't posted anything worth of content since his vote to lynch RoL. We have had what, 6 missiles shot by now? It shouldn't be that difficult to have something to talk about. Even if it's a "hey, I don't agree with this missile getting shot down" or whatever or "OMG THERE'S AN NK WITH ANONYMOUS NUKES". I'm just speechless... everything went to hell, no idea how to respond to it really. You could say I'm trying to dodge the nuke-a-roo action. | ||
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On March 29 2010 00:06 Zona wrote: We have 3 nuke-initiators. If we get no further information I'm comfortable lynching any among them. But we haven't even hit the first night yet, why don't we at least wait to see what information surfaces before we talk about an event that's far in the future? So why did you want me to post in this precise moment then? | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:09 Versatile wrote: omg wtf. this is the day that never ends.....yes it goes on and on my friend... lol. well, i do think tree.hugger's last post is scummy in the sense that we're 63 pages in, and he hasn't questioned the mason claim but now he comes in and tries to say that opz is mafia with me? do you know how many times opz almost killed me for what i did to L? and why didn't he address this earlier? So... do you think he's going to get saved from the nuke? | ||
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Just so we're clear: First I get this: On March 28 2010 23:12 Zona wrote: Post your plans, comments on plans, who you're suspicious of, what actions seem anti-town, etc. Plus posting isn't just to add to the discussion, but to allow the town to get a read on YOU. If you don't give us anything to work with, lurker scum can use you as someone to hide among. If you're town, that is. And then there's On March 29 2010 00:06 Zona wrote: We have 3 nuke-initiators. If we get no further information I'm comfortable lynching any among them. But we haven't even hit the first night yet, why don't we at least wait to see what information surfaces before we talk about an event that's far in the future? You're directly disagreeing with yourself. Based on this and how you've omitted various pieces of information in your nice big posts, I'd say that you're red. The question is... what should I do with you. | ||
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On March 30 2010 00:43 Zona wrote: I promised Ace I'd play to win...but this is getting ridiculous. We have started shooting each other a lot like the town in Caller's game. Well, with the bonus of each daykill dragging out fo 24 hours. This is not a disagreement. First part, I want you (and other inactives) to post something useful. Now you're posting at least a tiny bit more, good. It would have been nice if you had posted more before you were called out. Second part, I'm responding to those who already saying "we should lynch player x next, we should nuke player y next" - I'm saying we don't need to fully need to commit to lynching a certain person right now when there's at least 72 hours more until the next lynch. In any case, unless a person posting a lot constantly repeats the same damn thing and doesn't take into account what everyone else is posting, it's likely you'll be able to find some change in opinion. Also - feel free to tell me what information I'm omitting, rather than make such a statement without providing any accompanying any evidence. And it's interesting you immediately call me red for such trivial reasons. When have any of my proposals not been in the interests of the town? When others have pointed out flaws in them, they have been modified. The real scummy plans are those that involve launching nukes early. Like I've said time and time again, these early nukes have such high chance of hitting town. And it's not just me saying this is likely theoretically. We know RoL is town. Who did his nuke hit? Johnnyspazz, town. The real problem is that even Opz, with the best townie claim so far in the game, is supporting plans that hurt the town. Well, what esle could I post at this point? Several people launched nukes, we have dead players already, NONE of them were red. Logically, we start lynching them, unless something extremely juicy pops up. I thought that's universally understood, however YOU posted asking to post future plans, and then YOU posted asking for more information. How is that not contradicting is beyond me. On March 30 2010 00:43 Zona wrote:If I were mafia I'd be sitting back silently and cackling as the town kills other town members for me, not raging at the incompetence of my fellow town members. WIFOM, was it? | ||
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Almost everything I post gets ignored, then people complain that I don't post enough. Or insult me. On the other hand, Zona slips up, but since he's been posting enough, CLEARLY he's clean. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:05 Versatile wrote: anti-nuke it opz. nikon just confirmed himself as mafia. idiot. Yeah, look how well that went with RoL. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:11 Versatile wrote: nikon, you can't slip in under the cover of people nuking when you just so happen do it minutes before the town is finally going to night. obviously, the majority of the town is for moving onto night. and you just so happen to extend it? creating more chaos? gtfo. opz, do it before one of his buddies extends it with another one of their nukes. You shouldn't be the one to talk. Also, paraphrasing the late tree.hugger, what's the rush to get to the night? | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:31 Versatile wrote: smh. that's your explanation? that's trash. nikon, you're #1 suspect right now. i suggest you do better or you're being lynched tmw. What? That's your explanation for why I'm a suspect? That's trash. Versatile, you're #1 suspect right now. I suggest you do better or you're being lynched tomorrow. Seriously, you guys just amaze me. | ||
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Provide a reason for why I'm mafia. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:36 Versatile wrote: as long as you're amazed  i hope zona can (and does) nuke you back. I thought it was agreed that my nuke would be shot down due to increased ToD. It's pretty amazing indeed, how you just jumped in the last page of the thread, saw that I nuked and decided that I'm mafia. Kinda cute how your buddy amber is helping you out here, don't you think? | ||
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I've already posted the reasons why I launched the nuke. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:59 Ace wrote: seriously it won't ^_^ Oh, I get it now. There's no mafia, am I right? | ||
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On March 30 2010 03:58 meeple wrote: As much as I dislike Versatile's sass, I fully agree with this list... Nikon... Zona really has very little chance of being red. He accused you and then you flipped and nuked him. This type of stuff is ridiculous and is going to get us all killed. He accused me? I pointed out his incosistant posting... look it up. Also check closely what you quoted as well... surprisingly, the person to attack me, stated reasons for why the mafia won't kill me tonight. :-) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 30 2010 04:09 JeeJee wrote: ok well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right? first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know Radiation Levels 0-very low 2-low 4-moderate it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per: 6-high 8-very high 10-death I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie. + Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] + Here is who is still alive: Alive players d3_crescentia JeeJee Xelin ~Opz~ Amber[LighT] Caller haster27 Elemenope iNfuNdiBuLuM Zona Fishball Iaaan meeple Versatile Nikon Abenson nemy Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts. So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5. Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating. d3_crescentia -works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan -does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate -support revenge-lynch -votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting -switches to RoL as per town plan -contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as: **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions xelin -starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan -questions and fine tune's other's plans -argues with fishball a bit -against inactives -bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town -wants nuke on caller to land -suspects caller/bill/elemenope -claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed -claims treehugger and verse are on same team -argues a little with haster my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it? i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 opz i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason. * 1/5 amber -votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit -nuking as pro-town -wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion -discourage nukes early on -points out flaws in others' plans -bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson -argues with rol after rol's nuke -against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall -supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected) He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well. I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge. **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 caller -screws around and spams early game without adding content -votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke -claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him) -..that's it extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already. haster -argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though -thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy -agrees with revenge-lynch though -does not want people to vote for L -votes rol -an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game" -freaks out over idiots -wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not -suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin -continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo * 1/5 elemenope ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one) ** 2/5 infundi -for revenge-lynch, against lynching L -votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin -folows a no-nuke policy -supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia ** 2/5 zona i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too. * 1/5 fishball -votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan -heavily argues with L -suggests that we are chasing ghosts -aligned with me on the nuking situation i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 iaaan -against lynching L -for rol's nuke hitting -wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger -has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die -supports shooting down anonymous nuke -suspects both BM and L -"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw -also wants verse to die this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me *[yellow]*[/yellow]** 5/5 meeple -not particularly against L dying, but prefers others -points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons -tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments -suspects iaaan -agrees with lynching verse -glad anonymous nuke was shot down -his suspect list: Iaaan Caller d3-cres Amber overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella, **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 verse i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined) still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 nikon this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here: Nikon -against early nukes -for lynch-the-nuker plan. -randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle -a little ad hominem vs bill murray -wants xelin dead well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think? my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas? i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5 *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 abenson same deal as opz * 1/5 nemy -against lynching L -votes bill, then to rol as per town plan -..that's it? not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 My final lists: tier1 suspects: iaaan verse tier2 suspects: nikon xelin d3 fishball inactives/possible lurking mafia: caller infundi nemy likely townies: zona haster27 abenson opz elemenope undecided: amber meeple Course of action? what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. CREATE HISTORY. WE NEED IT. Get your facts straight please and don't hurl unnecessary insults please, one Versatile is enough -.-;; On March 30 2010 04:13 haster27 wrote: Nikon, I don't endorse your action. You are simply choosing to nuke Zona- who contributed highly to the town- simply because there are some "contradictions" between the number of posts he made. Going way to overboard. Hell, I tried to point out why tree.hugger and versatile could be Mafia and tree.hugger turned out to be green. I'm starting to realize maybe, yeah, this random endorsing nuke plan is bad yeah? Contradictions are important to note. But it appears that I've already been singled out by them, and worse yet, they'll get the nuke shot down by townies it seems. | ||
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On March 30 2010 05:56 Zona wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys, let's play spot a REAL contradiction. Here's an easy one to start off: On March 24 2010 01:07 Nikon wrote: Let's not nuke anyone just yet, shall we? On March 24 2010 04:43 Nikon wrote: Overall, I'd say that I agree with the "Lynch the nuker" plan. What's really interesting is: what if the mafia doesn't have nukes? Then what? On March 24 2010 20:32 Nikon wrote: No, we need an exact definite decision against nukes. Instantly lynching the person that launched them is a good one at this point of the game, since it doesn't leave room for him to retaliate to counter-nukes, should he have more than one. I know that you don't want to get lynched and there are votes for you, but flaunting your arsenal in the manner that you are, isn't going to help you. Even if you launch nuke(s) we can shoot them down, don't worry. On March 28 2010 23:01 Nikon wrote: I don't want to get nuked by you crazy sobs. On March 28 2010 23:19 Nikon wrote: Let's abide by the lynch a nuker plan then, starting with Xelin. Very consistent so far! I wonder what's coming next? On March 30 2010 01:49 Nikon wrote: Oh yeah, before I forget... ##Nuke: Zona Dude. You asked me to post more, then told me not to post more. Que? On March 30 2010 05:32 haster27 wrote: This is my analysis on Nikon. Actually, he did not seem to make any notable anti-town moves until he suddenly hurled a random nuke toward Zona like all non-concensus nuker does. I think he is being thought as more suspicious than others because most of the Town trust Zona as pro-town, perhaps even more so than L. I have already pointed out nuking simply because of contradiction is flimsy reasoning. At least other people have some reason or grudge that made them launch nukes- to contrary, I feel that Nikon came out of nowhere when he started his criticism of Zona and soon followed it up with nuke. As in, contradiction can be scum-tell, but just that it is strange that single contradiction has given Nikon enough conviction about him being scum to launch the nuke. What? Are you saying that I should've nuked Bill Murray instead? I mean, he insulted my country based on my forum activity, that's a good enough grudge. On March 30 2010 05:32 haster27 wrote:"Let me spell it out for you. Five people are already dead, and it's only Day 1. All of them were town-affiliated. You can say that we're in a bit of a crisis right now."; This quote suggests that he is following the early town policy (extend the day as far as possible) while managing to sound hypocritical - because it is non-concensus nukers like him which pushed the town intio this position - at the same time. I don't know if I am overanalyzing this here, but this post could be attempt to paint himself as irrational Townie. The responses so far have been pretty interesting. On March 30 2010 05:32 haster27 wrote:One thing I like to note is that he is criticizing people for focusing on inactive players. After we find out his alignment we can use this to possibly detect how active the Mafia team actually is. No, I'm criticising them for focusing on me. I'm just trying to get by this day, since, in day 1 we have very little information to go on, however nukes started flying left and right, and afterwards... well, you know what happened. Also, ascertaining mafia members activity based on my alignment is a bit far fetched. On March 30 2010 05:32 haster27 wrote:Either way, I don't think I need to tell you that we need to lynch Mafia on day 2. This is critical since it will give us some groundwork, as we have no comment we with 100% certainty know had been spoken with anti-town intent. I suggest lynching Xelin as lowest priority for now because he is just as likely to be third party as Mafia, and simply lynching anti-town role who do not know the identity of other Mafia isn't going to be that helpful at all. For me, day 2 lynch should either be Nikon, Versatile, or one of the suspected inactives at very worst so we at least have idea what is general strategy of Mafia. I hope everyone else propose their lynch list so that when we finally go into day 2, we have concrete plan to follow instead of wandering aimlessly (followed by equally aimless nuke). Also, like I said in the previous notes, we should stop using nukes for day 1 at least. We should not give any more opportunities for scum to fire a shot at us until Japan and Sweden is able to use anti-nukes again. Let's wait till we have more information, shall we? | ||
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On March 30 2010 06:11 Zona wrote: Read this version of my post - I made a mistake in the previous one with a paragraph I was writing for my next post. Don't you get it? All those lists of people ultimately serve nothing. Let me show you: On March 29 2010 10:42 Versatile wrote: i agree with waiting out the rest of the day and night. as i stated before, if we launch any nukes at mafia, i think they will just shoot them down. lynching is the only surefire way of getting a red out of the game. i'll say it one more time: i am not going to fire again without town consent. i have no reason to at this point. also, there have been plenty of people who the town has suspected. to decide how to lynch them, i say we rank them in order of most suspect. here is my list, make your own if you don't agree with it. 1. caller: was anonymously saved and has posted very little. little to no posting is a mafia tell for him. 2. iaaan: scummy posting style pointed out by several players. 3. tree.hugger/versatile/xelin: for non-consensus nuking. suspicious: LMNOP for attacking opz and abenson after mason claim. the one thing i'd like to point out here is that L also advocated for killing one to prove the other if i am remembering correctly, and he was a towny. and i believe one other person did the same as well. then there is zona's inactive list, L's vote list, and the list i posted. L's vote list (as of page 21): tree.hugger Versatile Abenson Fishball RebirthofLegend ~Opz~ d3_crescentia zona's latest inactive list: iNfuNdiBuLuM: 31 JeeJee: 30 Iaaan: 29 meeple: 28 Fishball: 26 Amber[LighT]: 26 Nikon: 18 d3_crescentia: 14 nemY: 13 Abenson: 12 Caller: 12 Phrujbaz: 2 Versatile's suspect list: iaaan caller amberlight nemy d3_crescentia xelin nikon fishball i'd just like to point out that fishball and d3_crescentia are on all three of those lists. just something to note. not putting FoS on them, but the fact that they're on 3 different lists, all of which were formed with different criteria speaks to the need for both to give more to the town and a necessary increase in pro-town behavior. abenson, nikon, iaaan, amberlight, nemy and caller are on two of those lists each. abenson voted for L to save himself and told us he was going to be inactive so i believe it's safe to cross him off. nemy has been kind of inactive in both this game and zona's game, so that's something to take into consideration. i also think it may be interesting to see how zona's inactive lists have changed over the course of the game. not saying we will definitely get something useful out of them, but we should be looking for patterns. i welcome thoughts and opinions on this post. Why do I show up on the suspect list? Various people have already said that I hadn't made any noticeable anti-town moves, and yet I'm a suspect - granted I was inactiveish, but I can't help it - what's done is done. Don't you find interesting that Versatile has been the most vocal against my nuke, resorting to insults multiple times, and saying that I confirmed myself as a mafia: On March 30 2010 02:05 Versatile wrote: anti-nuke it opz. nikon just confirmed himself as mafia. idiot. And then on the next page suggesting that a confirmed mafia can get off being lynched: On March 30 2010 02:31 Versatile wrote: smh. that's your explanation? that's trash. nikon, you're #1 suspect right now. i suggest you do better or you're being lynched tmw. Here's your scum. The nuke is a fake. Rest easy. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:11 Versatile wrote: nikon, you can't slip in under the cover of people nuking when you just so happen do it minutes before the town is finally going to night. obviously, the majority of the town is for moving onto night. and you just so happen to extend it? creating more chaos? gtfo. opz, do it before one of his buddies extends it with another one of their nukes. One more relevant quote, consider it an edit to the previous post. | ||
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On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Are you FUCKING serious? No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow. Nah, everything is under control. | ||
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On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain. I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills. | ||
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On March 30 2010 06:42 haster27 wrote: Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already. I'm pretty sure that it hasn't unless you personally shot it down already? | ||
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On April 01 2010 01:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role. Eh, meeple didn't give that much of a blue aura about himself, but then again I'm bad, so I might be mistaken. But then again On April 01 2010 01:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: the behavior isn't necessarily standard of a blue role, since some players have either very consistent or inconsistent play-styles which make them hard to read. however players in this game were right that meeple was hiding something. however it was not a mafia role that he was hiding. So, seemingly, multiple people thought meeple was green (insert Versatile quote), and you point out that he was giving out a blue vibe, and you also said that mafia killed him because of it. That's quite an interesting... concidence. It may even not be true, for all we know. | ||
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On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote: Ok. I'm off work, done dinner, and caught up with the thread. First off, I want to point out my two top suspects besides Xelin. I would talk about Xelin later on. Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona. The nuke was fake. I see nothing wrong with merely extending the day, but w/e. Of course, I can't confirm it since someone shot it down, but that's hardly my fault. Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list. Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night. Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead. Pretty much self explanatory right here. So Meeple and Amber was killed last night. We don't know if Mafia have more than one KP or not. If they do, the kills would easily make sense and Caller could very well be Mafia. Let's assume Mafia only has 1 KP, and the other kill was from a Vigilante or the sort. Now Xelin pops out and says: On March 31 2010 14:16 XeliN wrote: Also presumably a Vigilante type role used their ability to kill Meeple during the night due to the reason: On March 31 2010 14:24 XeliN wrote: The mafia has 1 KP during each and every night, 2 people have died, one specified "has been killed during the night" the other "has been found dead" As far as I can tell that means someone town side has used an ability incorrectly, or possibly the mafia have a similar ability, but it doesn't make much sense for them to have night kill abilities as well as KP Now, to me, this is just simply wording, and doesn't specifically means anything. A Mafia can also kill a target and the target would be "found dead" in the morning, no? Also, as mentioned in the thread, Amber was already suspected by some players, why would the Mafia hit him if this was the case? If a vigilante were to choose between Meeple and Amber, most likely it would be Amber. My point is, regardless of how much KP the Mafia has, Meeple is likely hit by a Mafia, and Caller took an action against Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead. Now, my ability only tells me who visited who at night, but doesn't tell me what the player did to the other player. Regardless, I'm 100% sure that Caller has a Night ability. Is he a Medic? Don't think so, as the Mafia would literally have to use 2 KP on Meeple to kill him. Is he a DT? Among so many "suspicious" players out there, what are the chances Meeple being checked? Coincidentally having Meeple die on the same night? Also, I consider my role like a mini-DT. Would there actually be a full DT role in this game? These are all hypothetical questions, but when you answer them all, the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple.[/QUOTE] Hmm... the thing is that we already have a dead medic and a dead cop... so I doubt Caller's visit was beneficial, it's extremely unlikely that there's another one alive. Other than that, I agree with your sentiment about who targetted who. On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:If we put aside Xelin's "kill-me-please" plea, what should we do with Nikon and Caller? Nikon's move during Day is far more suspicious to me, and has yet to answer to his actions. Should town launch its first consensual nuke? Don't nuke me bro. ##Vote: Caller | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote: Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted. I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long. Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia. I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game. I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal. Consider: Ambiguous implies that he could hath been sane, insane, paranoid, or naive, etc. This means that I could also be one of those four. Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents. I apologizeth for any misoverestimation that may have occurred and hope that I have clarified the matter somewhat, gentlemen. Bullshit, the bus driver doesn't work that way, if we were switched you'd still get meeple's role as a result on me. | ||
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On April 01 2010 13:04 ~OpZ~ wrote: Yea...And I handled that with Nikon If Zona turns out detective like I guessed, you do realize both you and Nikon will die? And if Zona turns out mafia...I'll rub your Buddha belly? Except that my nuke was a fake, which is currently uncomfirmable since it got shot down. If Zona is a detective and is sane, I really hope he checked me, going to lift some pressure off of me. Actually, I might be able to confirm that based on what happens with Iaaan, so here's a question: if I nuke you, is it going to hit? On April 01 2010 13:05 Fishball wrote: I'm actually amazed so far no one has questioned Caller's credibility, or even my credibility. You guys seems to just except every thing that is on the table... Not saying that I'm 100% certain whether or not this game has Bus Drivers; I just want to throw this out there. From the game mechanics thread: Well, after your post Caller came out and posted a story that corroborates with yours to some extent: ie, he went to meeple's. So basically what you're saying is that it's highly unlikely that there's a bus driver and Caller's story is just balls. For all we know, there still might be a bus driver, so unless he comes out as well, it's going to be kinda tough to be certain. | ||
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With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? | ||
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Confirming that my nuke on day 1 was a fake. Nope, not Arctica, and I'd like to withhold the information whether or not I have anti-nuclear capabilities for now. | ||
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On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote: This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill... | ||
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On April 03 2010 20:27 Elemenope wrote: You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this. We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you? You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles: One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims. Yeah, except that laaan said that he will survive nukes yesterday, and I nuked him before he claimed veteran. You assume we have different abilities because he's assuming so, based on information I said I want to withhold. | ||
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On April 04 2010 01:15 Elemenope wrote: What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things: A) You are a veteran B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right? On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit. Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things: A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection Both of which do not help the town at all. So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile. What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan? Nuke me to find out. | ||
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The truth is out there, and I need to know. We, as in the town, need to know, rather. | ||
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On April 06 2010 05:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well...Nikon...Tell us what your country is. This would be useful....Your the only country who hasn't claimed yet. Are YOU Japan? I'm Australia. | ||
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On April 06 2010 11:46 haster27 wrote: ...Okay, time for calmness. It is highly likely Nikon has reflect the nuke-back ability, and he is clearly Mafia for hiding this ability. Since we cannot remove him by nuke, this makes him a high possibility Mafia target. Also, does this move prove nemY as Town also since he is currently being targetted by highly likely Mafia nuke? At least, it is obvious we need to intercept it to keep Townie numbers high. There are also another possibility; Mafia has someone with ability that can affect 'any' nukes in the air, and is using it to frame Nikon, but considering the situation I feel this is extremely unlikely. Finally, what do we do with Caller - who is under fire due to Japan not roleclaiming - since nemY nuke turned out to be ineffective? Do we nuke him or keep him alive for the next day lynch? What? Don't you think that it's better to conceal it on the chance that a mafia nukes me? If I claim it, it becomes quite useless in that regard, don't you think? | ||
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On April 06 2010 12:04 haster27 wrote: Is it me or those all Mafia seem to have some kind of special ability? There has been four already: Role Blocker, Bus Driver, Nuke-stealer, and Nuke-hacker. From this the fact there are at minimum 4 Mafia in the Town are confirmed. I can only hope that Ace did not underestimate how much stupid Town nukes there were going to be and put five Mafia in. Finally I want to state that this development makes laaan in a slightly less flattering light. It feels too convenient that out of all Mafia nuke-hacker was the one that laaan's roleclaim contradicted. It could have been Mafia ploy to decrease Town's nuke/anti-nuke stockpile. Oh, by the way, the bus driver is only real if Caller isn't lying, which can be only verified by lynching him. Just throwing this out there. Personally, I've seen enough to say that laaan is an actual veteran. | ||
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First: Lynch Caller, this will clear up a lot of things, whether there's a bus driver at all, if he's mafia, etc. Secondly: Make the decision after Nemy gets hit. According to Opz, he's a suspect after all. | ||
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On April 11 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I think the distraction provided by XeliN / Nikon really helped him get away with it. edit: i'm also surprised at the number of nukes the mafia had I got killed before I could set forth my serial killer claim  I didn't actually think there was a serial killer in the game. Let me say that I killed Amber[Light], and when there was only 1 kill the next night I claimed vet to further fuel the suspicions about a serial killer in the game. So, uh, yeah. | ||
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On April 16 2010 03:12 haster27 wrote: I hate you so much. /~_~/ (Serial Killer who tried to hide his abilitiy- failed, Serial Killer who thought he had Mafia who lied about night actions- failed again.) What. I wasn't a Serial Killer. | ||
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